[KCDXC] K1N - Lotw - club vs. personal contributions

[Mike Crabtree]

I agree 100% with you, Jeff. Even though I didn't need K1N for anything 
but Rtty, I sent a donation when I ordered qsls thru OQRS.
DXers for years have supported DXpedition groups that go to rare spots. 
It keeps our phase of the hobby alive. If you take the time to get 
acquainted with the guys that do these DXpeditions, it's clear that they 
make no money on the QSLs. Most trips cost the ops a large sum out of 
their own pocket. We must depend on guys like K4UEE, W0GJ, K0IR, WB9Z,  
etc., to go to these rare spots so we can meet our DXCC goals!

I think the club donation doesn't qualify you for free LOTW qsls. If you 
can't make a $5-10 donation out of your own pocket, you might be in the 
wrong hobby.

73,
AB0X
Old Fart

------ Original Message ------
From: "Jeff Blaine" <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
To: "'kcdxc at mailman.qth.net'" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 2/26/2015 10:48:50 PM
Subject: [KCDXC] K1N - Lotw - club vs. personal contributions

>I've had a few guys ask me about the K1N early LoTW for the sponsors.
>
>The discussions vary but the theme is - the KCDXC provided funding for 
>K1N - but the club members individually who worked K1N have not 
>benefitted from the early LoTW upload. Could I, on behalf of the KCDXC, 
>appeal to K1N and see if our members could get preferential treatment.
>
>Here is my position, pulled from the most recent discussion on this 
>topic:
>
>-------
>
>...If every club that sent in a grouped donation provided a list to the 
>K1N guys, they would easily have thousands of callsigns to look up and 
>arrange early LoTW confirmations for. The KCDXC would have about 65 
>alone - and as the big DX clubs go, we are in the small category. I 
>suppose that some amount of computer list massaging would do the job if 
>that capability exists on the dxpedition's end. I just don't have the 
>balls to tell those guys that they should take a list and get the loTW 
>confirms done as part of what we expect for our couple-hundred-buck 
>contribution. If I were them, I would send back a message and ask "can 
>you really be serious?"
>
>To my thinking, the dxpeditions leaders and principles are signing huge 
>personal financial loan guarantees and making big funding investments 
>for what is (now) normally hundreds of thousands of dollars to put on a 
>dxpedition. That's on top of the time and effort and physical risk to 
>participate. Why they would do that in the first place is beyond my 
>comprehension - but I'm very happy they do. The KCDXC's support of the 
>major and rare dexpeditions is specifically to provide a tiny bit of 
>assistance to these groups to offset their expenses. It's not a way to 
>get an expedited LoTW confirmation....
>
>--------
>
>I do not mean to be harsh to our club members who's hard earned money 
>pays the club's bills. But it does need to be put into perspective. 
>About 60% of the clubs revenue each year goes toward dxpedition 
>support. That means about $12 of the $20 dues is being spread out to 
>3-4 of the most important and most rare of dxpeditions. That comes out 
>to $1 / month for a KCDXC member. While every little bit helps, I do 
>not feel it is reasonable at all to demand special privileges at our 
>level of support when the overall bill for K1N (as an example) cost 
>$500,000.
>
>If an early confirmation is important to you then by far the best way 
>to do that is to look at what the dxpedition posts as their upload 
>reward procedure for individual donations. And follow that procedure 
>exactly.
>
>73/jeff/ac0c
>
>--
>Its not how many watts you have,
>its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK
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