[KCDXC] KCDXC Digest, Vol 73, Issue 8
Larry Staples
lstaples at kc.rr.com
Tue Feb 23 10:31:11 EST 2010
How was your turnout on Monday evening? I tired to help by promoting it on Larry's List.
Larry Staples - W0AIB
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> 1. Re: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues: (J Brown)
> 2. Re: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues: (Jeff Blaine)
> 3. Re: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues: (Alex, KU1CW)
> 4. Re: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues: (Wm. LAUX (N?AG))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:18:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: J Brown <ks1ang at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
> To: KCDX 4FUN <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>, KCDX RealQTH
> <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <858662.27297.qm at web44703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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> Well Judy WON'T be bringing it up at the next meeting. I think EVERYBODY had there chance to voice there concerns and vote. Not my fault if people don't attend the meetings or keep up with what is going on, information was provided to everybody.
>
> Judith Brown
> KS1ANG, KCDXC Secretary
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "W0LHK at aol.com" <W0LHK at aol.com>
> To: ks1ang at yahoo.com; n0ag at yahoo.com; ac0n at arrl.net
> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 2:28:39 PM
> Subject: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>
> Hi Bob:
>
> I have some Issues with the Increase in the Membership
> Dues !
>
> It had been $ 15.00 for 30 plus years and this
> Included the Newsletter being Mailed to all current
> members.
>
> I personally feel the Dues should be kept the same as
> it had been.
>
> There is Zero expense for Postage since there are no
> more mailings of the Newsletter.
>
> Perhaps the club should have a ( Associate Membership
> ) no voting privileges but still listed on the roaster and access to the
> Internet newsletter.
>
> There should also be a treasures report put on line so
> the members can see how much is in the Club account and what
> expenses.
>
> You and Judy should bring this Issue up at the next
> meeting.
>
> 73's,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:37:12 -0600
> From: "Jeff Blaine" <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
> To: "J Brown" <ks1ang at yahoo.com>, "KCDX 4FUN" <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>,
> "KCDX RealQTH" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <9801DE36ACDB9845A625CDCF7205A199447C34 at exch-us.epak.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Barry,
>
> It is my fault for making the motion that the dues should be increased. This was raised and approved quite some number of months prior - I forget when - but last fall.
>
> I am the treasurer and the keeper of the few coins the club has. The bank balance has been published in the newsletter from time to time. I'm sure as an observant guy you have seen it.
>
> You are right, the clubs costs - assuming it did nothing new - are about unchanged, if not slightly less.
>
> However, the club also has many interests to expand both the club activities vs. the past - and to push our club up a step in both membership and visibility.
>
> These things necessarily will create some costs. You can see the flurry of W0DXCC activity as just the first of these endeavors.
>
> Another way to look at - $5/year comes down to something like a penny per day.
>
> Another way to look at it - dues have been unchanged for 30 years yet the devaluation of the dollar in inflation adjusted terms has taken a toll - so I am pretty sure that $20 we are paying now probably has less actual buying power than $15 did 30 years ago.
>
> Another way to look at it - in the event the $5 is proving a hardship for a member, we have several individual who have already volunteered to step in and provide assistance should that be needed.
>
> Lastly, if you would like to get more involved on the expense and funding side, I would very much welcome a volunteer such as yourself. A guy with the public service portfolio you have may be interested in just such an added adventure? If so, let me know!!!
>
> 73/jeff/ac0c
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of J Brown
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 17:18
> To: KCDX 4FUN; KCDX RealQTH
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>
> Well Judy WON'T be bringing it up at the next meeting. I think EVERYBODY had there chance to voice there concerns and vote. Not my fault if people don't attend the meetings or keep up with what is going on, information was provided to everybody.
>
> Judith Brown
> KS1ANG, KCDXC Secretary
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "W0LHK at aol.com" <W0LHK at aol.com>
> To: ks1ang at yahoo.com; n0ag at yahoo.com; ac0n at arrl.net
> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 2:28:39 PM
> Subject: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>
> Hi Bob:
>
> I have some Issues with the Increase in the Membership
> Dues !
>
> It had been $ 15.00 for 30 plus years and this
> Included the Newsletter being Mailed to all current
> members.
>
> I personally feel the Dues should be kept the same as
> it had been.
>
> There is Zero expense for Postage since there are no
> more mailings of the Newsletter.
>
> Perhaps the club should have a ( Associate Membership
> ) no voting privileges but still listed on the roaster and access to the
> Internet newsletter.
>
> There should also be a treasures report put on line so
> the members can see how much is in the Club account and what
> expenses.
>
> You and Judy should bring this Issue up at the next
> meeting.
>
> 73's,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:31:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Alex, KU1CW" <ku1cw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
> To: Roberto kp4y <kp4y at yahoo.com>, Rob Underwood K0RU <k0ru at arrl.net>,
> Perry BO McLean W0XK <w0xk at worldnet.att.net>, Debbie Graves KA0BKT
> <dmckemy at kc.rr.com>, W0ROO Mac <w0roo at att.net>, Bill AK0A
> <ak0a at kc.rr.com>, Anatolia Antonets <kc0nkw at live.com>,
> Arsk0jn at aol.com, B Roske <broske at hutchtel.net>, Bob Brown N0EUH
> <bbrown at byrg.net>, Bill Freeland <freeland66215 at sbcglobal.net>, Bill
> Henderson <bill at hendersonkc.com>, Bob Kimbrell
> <robert.kimbrell at att.net>, Bob Sutton N0GMG <N0GMG at yahoo.com>, Charles
> Hett K0THN <k0thn at arrl.net>, Charles Lovgren <clovgren at sunflower.com>,
> Cliff Ahrens <cahrens at mywdo.com>, Dave Anderson <Davek4sv at yahoo.com>,
> Dennis Davis <kc9jh at sbcglobal.net>, Dick Posz AE0K
> <rvposz at hotmail.com>, don devins <wd0bwm1 at swbell.net>, Don Reed K0IFO
> <k0ifo at arrl.net>, Dragan K0AP Davkovski <davkovski at yahoo.com>, Duncan
> MacLachlan <ku0dm.ks at gmail.com>, Fred N0XA <n0xa at embarqmail.com>,
> George Yantis <k0gy at swbell.net>, Judy Brown <KS1ANG at yahoo.com>, James
> Douglass <ac0e at arrl.net>, Jeff Blaine AC0C <ac0c at arrl.net>, Jim W0NV
> Arther <W6YJ at netzero.net>, jim at walkersdomain.com, JimRCessna at aol.com,
> John Chass W0JLC <johnchass at midlandradio.com>, john rodgers
> <johnrodgers22 at att.net>, KC0TjX Dan <doctordan8 at embarqmail.com>, Kevin
> Schavee <n0cwr at kc.rr.com>, KI7WO-1 at comcast.net, "L. Wilson"
> <k0rwl at townsqr.com>, Larry Wilson <K0RWL at YAHOO.COM>, lee at crcltd.com,
> Marshall AA0FO <mrtoburen at sunflower.com>, MCrabtree
> <mcrabtree at kc.rr.com>, Mike ZooLoo <aa0mz at yahoo.com>, Missouri Guy
> <n0tt1 at juno.com>, Dave Roberts W0DR <w0dr at charter.net>, Phil Campbell
> <pfcambel at micoks.net>, rick barnett <rick at crcltd.com>, "Steve
> Gecewicz \(MYedl\)" <lance at myedl.com>, Steve Lufcy <k0ou at comcast.net>,
> Steve Walz K0UO <stevew at rsicorp.com>, T E Isaacson
> <ikeisaacson at earthlink.net>, Tom Hammond <n0ss at embarqmail.com>, Tom
> NM0N <nm0n at arrl.net>, W0LHK at aol.com, w0mw at comcast.net, W0ns at aol.com,
> W0ZAP <w0zap at everestkc.net>, "Wm. Tom LAUX" <n0ag at yahoo.com>,
> woodrr at att.net, Ryan KD0EWB <KD0EWB at gmail.com>, K3FP John Outland
> <k3fp at hotmail.com>, kcshorty at gmail.com, Russ Woirhaye K0VXU
> <rwoirhaye at ieee.org>, KD0BNO Michael O'Neil <kd0bno at gmail.com>, Bill
> Wheeler K0DEW <K0DEW at arrl.net>, Ron Lowrance K4SX
> <k4sx at centurytel.net>, kcdxcforfun <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>
> Cc: Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>, KCDX RealQTH
> <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <447433.60015.qm at web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Jeff,
> As a carrying public servant you should of count in opinion of the KCDXC members, when important decisions are made. Club members have deserved more details, ALL of them and not only a dozen (25% at best), who was present at the given club meeting. Members don't have to attend all meetings, and it's hard to justify going to one with no agenda.
> Please use e-mail and reflector for communications and notifications.
> Interesting, but seems that you don't remember anything about this only proposal...when it happened, who was there, who was for and against proposal, why more funds is needed and what are the 'new' ideas club will use funds for. One was able to learn a lot of Chinese language in last few years, but no recollection of simple details about club meeting...? :)
>
> Why meeting minutes are not send to club members anymore, why no presentations and new materials are available as well?
> Most important-what are those new costly ideas club members will have to pay for? Could you collaborate on NEW ideas for 2010 and 2011? Tell us a bit about volunteering and 'public service portfolio'. So far nothing is in the portfolio... As far as I remember, volunteering is free of charge, right?
>
> As a treasurer you have inherited club with strongest bank account EVER- $4,496.81 and 66 members, in July 2009. Normally club would have no funds by September and no one would be able to say where it's all gone...
> Please read KCDXC Constitution and follow it up. Treasurer have to tell members about club funds monthly, if I remember right.
>
> You have mentioned W0DXCC. It was decided that W0DXCC will go under KCDXC supervision, but will not be sponsored by KCDXC, right?
> K4SX was offering $2K(?) to sponsor event and K0RU have promised to contribute $1K+, under some 'secret condition'. Nothing heard about either contribution in WB0WBM W0DXCC reporting Mike have forwarded(?) to the club. W0DXCC minutes are none existent, as well.
> Without at least five other serious W0 clubs participation, W0DXCC is a waste of time and money. Show for about 50 people KCDXC members have to work for for few years. KCDXC should not participate along.
>
> Topic of membership dues and luck of communications/accountability was raised by few members by now with no answers. Something needs to be done about internal communications and way decisions are made in KCDXC.
>
> I will vote with my time, money and ideas. No clown show on leaving and re-joining the club, this role is taken already :) One may guess what this decision would be...
>
> There are plenty of Clubs to join, with agenda and ideas.
>
> Good luck. Alex
>
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
>> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>> To: "J Brown" <ks1ang at yahoo.com>, "KCDX 4FUN" <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>, "KCDX RealQTH" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 5:37 PM
>> Barry,
>>
>> It is my fault for making the motion that the dues should
>> be increased. This was raised and approved quite some
>> number of months prior - I forget when - but last
>> fall.
>>
>> I am the treasurer and the keeper of the few coins the club
>> has. The bank balance has been published in the
>> newsletter from time to time. I'm sure as an observant
>> guy you have seen it.
>>
>> You are right, the clubs costs - assuming it did nothing
>> new - are about unchanged, if not slightly less.
>>
>> However, the club also has many interests to expand both
>> the club activities vs. the past - and to push our club up a
>> step in both membership and visibility.
>>
>> These things necessarily will create some costs. You
>> can see the flurry of W0DXCC activity as just the first of
>> these endeavors.
>>
>> Another way to look at - $5/year comes down to something
>> like a penny per day.
>>
>> Another way to look at it - dues have been unchanged for 30
>> years yet the devaluation of the dollar in inflation
>> adjusted terms has taken a toll - so I am pretty sure that
>> $20 we are paying now probably has less actual buying power
>> than $15 did 30 years ago.
>>
>> Another way to look at it - in the event the $5 is proving
>> a hardship for a member, we have several individual who have
>> already volunteered to step in and provide assistance should
>> that be needed.
>>
>> Lastly, if you would like to get more involved on the
>> expense and funding side, I would very much welcome a
>> volunteer such as yourself. A guy with the public
>> service portfolio you have may be interested in just such an
>> added adventure? If so, let me know!!!
>>
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of J Brown
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 17:18
>> To: KCDX 4FUN; KCDX RealQTH
>> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>>
>> Well Judy WON'T be bringing it up at the next meeting. I
>> think EVERYBODY had there chance to voice there concerns and
>> vote. Not my fault if people don't attend the meetings or
>> keep up with what is going on, information was provided to
>> everybody.
>>
>> Judith Brown
>> KS1ANG, KCDXC Secretary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "W0LHK at aol.com"
>> <W0LHK at aol.com>
>> To: ks1ang at yahoo.com;
>> n0ag at yahoo.com; ac0n at arrl.net
>> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 2:28:39 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>>
>> Hi Bob:
>>
>> I have some Issues with the Increase in the Membership
>> Dues !
>>
>> It had been $ 15.00 for 30 plus years and this
>> Included the Newsletter being Mailed to all current
>> members.
>>
>> I personally feel the Dues should be kept the same as
>> it had been.
>>
>> There is Zero expense for Postage since there are no
>> more mailings of the Newsletter.
>>
>> Perhaps the club should have a ( Associate Membership
>> ) no voting privileges but still listed on the roaster and
>> access to the
>> Internet newsletter.
>>
>> There should also be a treasures report put on line so
>> the members can see how much is in the Club account and
>> what
>> expenses.
>>
>> You and Judy should bring this Issue up at the next
>> meeting.
>>
>> 73's,
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:19:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Wm. LAUX (N?AG) <n0ag at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
> To: Roberto kp4y <kp4y at yahoo.com>, Rob Underwood K0RU <k0ru at arrl.net>,
> Perry BO McLean W0XK <w0xk at worldnet.att.net>, Debbie Graves KA0BKT
> <dmckemy at kc.rr.com>, W0ROO Mac <w0roo at att.net>, Bill AK0A
> <ak0a at kc.rr.com>, Anatolia Antonets <kc0nkw at live.com>,
> Arsk0jn at aol.com, B Roske <broske at hutchtel.net>, Bob Brown N0EUH
> <bbrown at byrg.net>, Bill Freeland <freeland66215 at sbcglobal.net>, Bill
> Henderson <bill at hendersonkc.com>, Bob Kimbrell
> <robert.kimbrell at att.net>, Bob Sutton N0GMG <N0GMG at yahoo.com>, Charles
> Hett K0THN <k0thn at arrl.net>, Charles Lovgren <clovgren at sunflower.com>,
> Cliff Ahrens <cahrens at mywdo.com>, Dave Anderson <Davek4sv at yahoo.com>,
> Dennis Davis <kc9jh at sbcglobal.net>, Dick Posz AE0K
> <rvposz at hotmail.com>, don devins <wd0bwm1 at swbell.net>, Don Reed K0IFO
> <k0ifo at arrl.net>, Dragan K0AP Davkovski <davkovski at yahoo.com>, Duncan
> MacLachlan <ku0dm.ks at gmail.com>, Fred N0XA <n0xa at embarqmail.com>,
> George Yantis <k0gy at swbell.net>, Judy Brown <KS1ANG at yahoo.com>, James
> Douglass <ac0e at arrl.net>, Jeff Blaine AC0C <ac0c at arrl.net>, Jim W0NV
> Arther <W6YJ at netzero.net>, jim at walkersdomain.com, JimRCessna at aol.com,
> John Chass W0JLC <johnchass at midlandradio.com>, john rodgers
> <johnrodgers22 at att.net>, KC0TjX Dan <doctordan8 at embarqmail.com>, Kevin
> Schavee <n0cwr at kc.rr.com>, KI7WO-1 at comcast.net, "L. Wilson"
> <k0rwl at townsqr.com>, Larry Wilson <K0RWL at YAHOO.COM>, lee at crcltd.com,
> Marshall AA0FO <mrtoburen at sunflower.com>, MCrabtree
> <mcrabtree at kc.rr.com>, Mike ZooLoo <aa0mz at yahoo.com>, Missouri Guy
> <n0tt1 at juno.com>, Dave Roberts W0DR <w0dr at charter.net>, Phil Campbell
> <pfcambel at micoks.net>, rick barnett <rick at crcltd.com>, "Steve
> Gecewicz \(MYedl\)" <lance at myedl.com>, Steve Lufcy <k0ou at comcast.net>,
> Steve Walz K0UO <stevew at rsicorp.com>, T E Isaacson
> <ikeisaacson at earthlink.net>, Tom Hammond <n0ss at embarqmail.com>, Tom
> NM0N <nm0n at arrl.net>, W0LHK at aol.com, w0mw at comcast.net, W0ns at aol.com,
> W0ZAP <w0zap at everestkc.net>, woodrr at att.net, Ryan KD0EWB
> <KD0EWB at gmail.com>, K3FP John Outland <k3fp at hotmail.com>,
> kcshorty at gmail.com, Russ Woirhaye K0VXU <rwoirhaye at ieee.org>, KD0BNO
> Michael O'Neil <kd0bno at gmail.com>, Bill Wheeler K0DEW
> <K0DEW at arrl.net>, Ron Lowrance K4SX <k4sx at centurytel.net>, kcdxcforfun
> <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>, KU1CWAlex <ku1cw at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>, KCDX RealQTH
> <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <680294.3774.qm at web35901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Folks:Let's not go back there!
> For those of you who are wondering what this is all about...
> One of our members sent an e-mail to some of the officers making some suggestions regarding putting the meeting minutes and the treasurers report on-line. ?He also had a suggestion regarding a re-classification of membership and he voiced his displeasure that the dues had been raised from $15 to $20 annually. ?He asked me to present these points for discussion at the next meeting. ?I assured him I would.
> At last nights (Feb 22, 2010) those issues were discussed and I plan to send the gentleman an e-mail today concerning those discussions. ?The long and the short of it is this:The dues will remain $20.00 per year. ?I have had an ongoing discussion with Bill (K0VBU) our webmaster regarding the feasibility of putting meeting minutes and a quarterly or semi-annual treasurers report on the KCDXC website that was accessible ?in the members-only section. ?We are continuing to work on this. ?The club is not going to change membership classifications. ?These kinds of issues are part of normal questions and/or suggestions that are part of organizational structure in most volunteer groups.
> Ladies and Gentlemen: ?We need to continue to strive to be the best. ?PLEASE do not return to the personal attacks and flame wars of 2009! ?It is beneath us and beneath the club.This reflector is read across the country and throughout the world, it is our "window' if you will to how the Kansas City DX Club appears to the HAM community at large.
> I hope you will attend a meeting and continue to contribute to the success of the KCDX Club. ?YOU are what the Kansas City DX Club is all about! ?Thank You!Tom Laux (N?AG)...Pres. KCDX Club
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Alex, KU1CW <ku1cw at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Alex, KU1CW <ku1cw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
> To: "Roberto kp4y" <kp4y at yahoo.com>, "Rob Underwood K0RU" <k0ru at arrl.net>, "Perry BO McLean W0XK" <w0xk at worldnet.att.net>, "Debbie Graves KA0BKT" <dmckemy at kc.rr.com>, "W0ROO Mac" <w0roo at att.net>, "Bill AK0A" <ak0a at kc.rr.com>, "Anatolia Antonets" <kc0nkw at live.com>, Arsk0jn at aol.com, "B Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>, "Bob Brown N0EUH" <bbrown at byrg.net>, "Bill Freeland" <freeland66215 at sbcglobal.net>, "Bill Henderson" <bill at hendersonkc.com>, "Bob Kimbrell" <robert.kimbrell at att.net>, "Bob Sutton N0GMG" <N0GMG at yahoo.com>, "Charles Hett K0THN" <k0thn at arrl.net>, "Charles Lovgren" <clovgren at sunflower.com>, "Cliff Ahrens" <cahrens at mywdo.com>, "Dave Anderson" <Davek4sv at yahoo.com>, "Dennis Davis" <kc9jh at sbcglobal.net>, "Dick Posz AE0K" <rvposz at hotmail.com>, "don devins" <wd0bwm1 at swbell.net>, "Don Reed K0IFO" <k0ifo at arrl.net>, "Dragan K0AP Davkovski" <davkovski at yahoo.com>, "Duncan MacLachlan" <ku0dm.ks at gmail.com>, "Fred N0XA" <n0xa at embarqmail.com>, "George Yantis"
> <k0gy at swbell.net>, "Judy Brown" <KS1ANG at yahoo.com>, "James Douglass" <ac0e at arrl.net>, "Jeff Blaine AC0C" <ac0c at arrl.net>, "Jim W0NV Arther" <W6YJ at netzero.net>, jim at walkersdomain.com, JimRCessna at aol.com, "John Chass W0JLC" <johnchass at midlandradio.com>, "john rodgers" <johnrodgers22 at att.net>, "KC0TjX Dan" <doctordan8 at embarqmail.com>, "Kevin Schavee" <n0cwr at kc.rr.com>, KI7WO-1 at comcast.net, "L. Wilson" <k0rwl at townsqr.com>, "Larry Wilson" <K0RWL at YAHOO.COM>, lee at crcltd.com, "Marshall AA0FO" <mrtoburen at sunflower.com>, "MCrabtree" <mcrabtree at kc.rr.com>, "Mike ZooLoo" <aa0mz at yahoo.com>, "Missouri Guy" <n0tt1 at juno.com>, "Dave Roberts W0DR" <w0dr at charter.net>, "Phil Campbell" <pfcambel at micoks.net>, "rick barnett" <rick at crcltd.com>, "Steve Gecewicz (MYedl)" <lance at myedl.com>, "Steve Lufcy" <k0ou at comcast.net>, "Steve Walz K0UO" <stevew at rsicorp.com>, "T E Isaacson" <ikeisaacson at earthlink.net>, "Tom Hammond" <n0ss at embarqmail.com>, "Tom NM0N" <nm0n at arrl.net>,
> W0LHK at aol.com, w0mw at comcast.net, W0ns at aol.com, "W0ZAP" <w0zap at everestkc.net>, "Wm. Tom LAUX" <n0ag at yahoo.com>, woodrr at att.net, "Ryan KD0EWB" <KD0EWB at gmail.com>, "K3FP John Outland" <k3fp at hotmail.com>, kcshorty at gmail.com, "Russ Woirhaye K0VXU" <rwoirhaye at ieee.org>, "KD0BNO Michael O'Neil" <kd0bno at gmail.com>, "Bill Wheeler K0DEW" <K0DEW at arrl.net>, "Ron Lowrance K4SX" <k4sx at centurytel.net>, "kcdxcforfun" <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>
> Cc: "KCDX RealQTH" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>, "Jeff Blaine" <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:31 PM
>
> Jeff,
> As a carrying public servant you should of count in opinion of the KCDXC members, when important decisions are made. Club members have deserved more details, ALL of them and not only a dozen (25% at best), who was present at the given club meeting. Members don't have to attend all meetings, and it's hard to justify going to one with no agenda.
> Please use e-mail and reflector for communications and notifications.
> Interesting, but seems that you don't remember anything about this only proposal...when it happened, who was there, who was for and against proposal, why more funds is needed and what are the 'new' ideas club will use funds for. One was able to learn a lot of Chinese language in last few years, but no recollection of simple details about club meeting...? :)
> ?
> Why meeting minutes are not send to club members anymore, why no presentations and new materials are available as well?
> Most important-what are those new costly ideas club members will have to pay for? Could you collaborate on NEW ideas for 2010 and 2011? Tell us a bit about volunteering and 'public service portfolio'. So far nothing is in the portfolio... As far as I remember, volunteering is free of charge, right?
>
> As a treasurer you have inherited club with strongest bank account EVER- $4,496.81 and 66 members, in July 2009. Normally club would have no funds by September and no one would be able to say where it's all gone...
> Please read KCDXC Constitution and follow it up. Treasurer have to tell members about club funds monthly, if I remember right.
>
> You have mentioned W0DXCC. It was decided that W0DXCC will go under KCDXC supervision, but will not be sponsored by KCDXC, right?
> K4SX was offering $2K(?) to sponsor event and K0RU have promised to contribute $1K+, under some 'secret condition'. Nothing heard about either contribution in WB0WBM W0DXCC reporting Mike have forwarded(?) to the club. W0DXCC minutes are none existent, as well.?
> Without at least five other serious W0 clubs participation, W0DXCC is a waste of time and money. Show for about 50 people KCDXC members have to work for for few years. KCDXC should not participate along.
>
> Topic of membership dues and luck of communications/accountability was raised by few members by now with no answers. Something needs to be done about internal communications and way decisions are made in KCDXC.
>
> I will vote with my time, money and ideas. No clown show on leaving and re-joining the club, this role is taken already :) One may guess what this decision would be...
>
> There are plenty of Clubs to join, with agenda and ideas.
>
> Good luck. Alex
>
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
>> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>> To: "J Brown" <ks1ang at yahoo.com>, "KCDX 4FUN" <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>, "KCDX RealQTH" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 5:37 PM
>> Barry,
>>
>> It is my fault for making the motion that the dues should
>> be increased.? This was raised and approved quite some
>> number of months prior - I forget when - but last
>> fall.?
>>
>> I am the treasurer and the keeper of the few coins the club
>> has.? The bank balance has been published in the
>> newsletter from time to time.? I'm sure as an observant
>> guy you have seen it.
>>
>> You are right, the clubs costs - assuming it did nothing
>> new - are about unchanged, if not slightly less.
>>
>> However, the club also has many interests to expand both
>> the club activities vs. the past - and to push our club up a
>> step in both membership and visibility.?
>>
>> These things necessarily will create some costs.? You
>> can see the flurry of W0DXCC activity as just the first of
>> these endeavors.
>>
>> Another way to look at - $5/year comes down to something
>> like a penny per day.?
>>
>> Another way to look at it - dues have been unchanged for 30
>> years yet the devaluation of the dollar in inflation
>> adjusted terms has taken a toll - so I am pretty sure that
>> $20 we are paying now probably has less actual buying power
>> than $15 did 30 years ago.
>>
>> Another way to look at it - in the event the $5 is proving
>> a hardship for a member, we have several individual who have
>> already volunteered to step in and provide assistance should
>> that be needed.
>>
>> Lastly, if you would like to get more involved on the
>> expense and funding side, I would very much welcome a
>> volunteer such as yourself.? A guy with the public
>> service portfolio you have may be interested in just such an
>> added adventure?? If so, let me know!!!
>>
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of J Brown
>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 17:18
>> To: KCDX 4FUN; KCDX RealQTH
>> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>>
>> Well Judy WON'T be bringing it up at the next meeting. I
>> think EVERYBODY had there chance to voice there concerns and
>> vote. Not my fault if people don't attend the meetings or
>> keep up with what is going on, information was provided to
>> everybody.
>>
>> ? Judith Brown
>> KS1ANG, KCDXC Secretary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "W0LHK at aol.com"
>> <W0LHK at aol.com>
>> To: ks1ang at yahoo.com;
>> n0ag at yahoo.com; ac0n at arrl.net
>> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 2:28:39 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: K.C.DX Club Dues:
>>
>> Hi Bob:
>> ?
>> I have some Issues with the Increase in the Membership
>> Dues !
>> ?
>> It had been $ 15.00 for 30 plus years and this
>> Included the Newsletter being Mailed to all current
>> members.
>> ?
>> I personally feel the Dues should be kept the same as
>> it had been.
>> ?
>> There is Zero expense for Postage since there are no
>> more mailings of the Newsletter.
>> ?
>> Perhaps the club should have a ( Associate Membership
>> ) no voting privileges but still listed on the roaster and
>> access to the
>> Internet newsletter.
>> ?
>> There should also be a treasures report put on line so
>> the members can see how much is in the Club account and
>> what
>> expenses.
>> ?
>> You and Judy should bring this Issue up at the next
>> meeting.
>> ?
>> 73's,
>> ?
>> Barry
>>
>>
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