[KCDXC] FW: answer Duncan: DAYTON
Alex, KU1CW
ku1cw at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 9 14:11:08 EDT 2009
-about 10 out of 65 members were present at the meetings
-meetings had no agenda broadcasted to general membership
-no Dayton committee was created to work on preparation
-proposals were not voted at the meetings
-proposals were not broadcasted to general membership via e-mail
-Proposals were not voted by general membership, but accepted by one or few
-secretary position did not exist (why?) for few years, so no records
-you was out to TX for the about 2-3(?)+ years and missed last 24 (36)+ meetings at least.
-fact that someone is not at the meeting should not be the reason not to communicate decisions to general membership in the 21th century and have a vote, if necessary.
-etc......
--- On Thu, 7/9/09, rick barnett <rick at crcwireless.net> wrote:
> From: rick barnett <rick at crcwireless.net>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] FW: answer Duncan: DAYTON
> To: ku1cw at yahoo.com, "'Duncan MacLachlan'" <ku0dm.ks at gmail.com>, "'kcdxc'" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "'Even Lighter Side of KCDXC'" <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>
> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 12:04 PM
> I will take this one first. Alex we
> talked about Dayton at almost every
> meeting we had leading up to Dayton. You just didn't hear
> it because you
> would come in at 8:30 PM or 9:00 PM and missed most of the
> meeting.
> FACT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ku1cw at yahoo.com
> [mailto:ku1cw at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:04 AM
> To: 'Duncan MacLachlan'; rick barnett; kcdxc
> Cc: 'Even Lighter Side of KCDXC'
> Subject: Re: FW: answer Duncan: DAYTON
>
>
> Dunc was able to run pileup, judge in most accurate way
> and get results
> posted all on his own-at least few times. Without PC's
> pileup evening would
> require support of 10 people and was off +/-10% in results.
>
>
> Some other facts:
> For years just or selected few at the club knew about plans
> for Dayton-so no
> plans no problems, right? Once announced-we have a problem,
> even with most
> obvious upgrades participant were asking us before? Once
> again-100% proven
> sucess with 2009 updates.
>
> For example has anyone at the club knew that there was a
> plan to outsource
> pileup to another club few years ago? Without committee or
> club announcement
> at all!
>
> Special thanks to N0SS, K0VBU, N0RB and AB0X for keeping
> pileup and KCDXC
> suite together for the years.
>
> Equipment was not upgraded for 20+ years and was somewhat
> dangerous to run.
> Open chassis amp with 120AC exposed next to participants.
> Was replaced this
> year. New one is safe and very light.
>
> BTW-I would say we need 6 pairs of better headphones for
> the next year.
> Probably $120-140.
>
> Year 2009 was first year ARRL has advertised pileup-was
> rejected year
> before 'due to language' and no one have asked them to
> advertise before as
> well. 2009 Participation was #4 ever.
>
> That was 3 man committee and K0RU was one of the members.
> Rob have tried PC
> pileup long time before meeting and had no big issues with
> it back then.
> Paper was provided for the contest as well.
>
> I have spent a LOT of time and effort to get NICE
> selection of prizes, not
> 'just a prizes'. Probably best selection ever as well.
>
> A lot of time to get SW and setup running. Was working
> almost flawlesly.
>
> I did nothing wrong to the club and really cared on
> getting solid base we
> all would be able work at for years to come. I have made
> decisions to create
> comitees on most important issues, but did not made
> direction changing
> desicions on my own. Attendance is up twice and membership
> as well.
> Yes, should of handle situation with Rob differently, but
> his statement was
> a big shock for me after all stuff he have learned and
> discussed together
> about the setup. Will talk with Rob about it one day.
>
> Alex
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> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, rick barnett <rick at crcwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: rick barnett <rick at crcwireless.net>
> > Subject: FW: answer Duncan: DAYTON
> > To: "'Duncan MacLachlan'" <ku0dm.ks at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "'Even Lighter Side of KCDXC'" <kcdxcforfun at byrg.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 6:06 PM
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> > We are not upset with the
> > results Dayton. It is the
> > process to get to those results that has insulted
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> > intelligence of most
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> > ARRL news releases
> > TWO weeks before club meeting stated that a computer
> > only test would be
> > given by us at Dayton. Proven fact, most of us got
> the
> > email. Can't be debated.
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> > decision why was it as much a shock to K0RU, as
> > it was to the rest
> > of people at the meeting??? Alex himself said Rob
> > was on the Dayton
> > Committee!!
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> > at the meeting complained about the decision our
> > President got in a
> > shouting match with another member! Yeah, Rob was
> > wrong,too, but he manned
> > up and had the decency to apologize. Now most
> members
> > have a lot of
> > respect for K0RU.
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> > Did anyone ever see an
> > apology to the membership from Alex??? OR does Alex
> > get special leeway??
> > Sorry, everybody is responsible for their own
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> > with the view, and
> > try to work out a reasonable solution that will allow
> > everyone to buy into the
> > project. If this occurs everyone has ownership in the
> > project and everyone
> > works harder to achieve the club goal! This is a very
> > important concept that
> > makes clubs and organizations function
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> > Don't committees study and
> > issue a report back to the membership ways
> > for the club to act
> > on the issues....?? Should have been done with
> > Dayton plans!
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> > THEN , just as
> > KC0ZNI suggests , the members vote and make a
> decision, not
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> > Alex's behavior
> > on the PIle Up question as a guide, the
> > Convention Committee can
> > just go ahead and schedule the event for next year
> and
> > start booking rooms,
> > speakers and send out news releases to the ARRL!!!
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