[KCDXC] Rough times at KCDX Club... but impeachment???

Tue Jul 7 11:16:51 EDT 2009

 Perfect example of the hate to EVERYTHING proposed by the president or the committees. Couple of people in TX and couple in KC will hate any changes, done by anyone at anytime.

 However, all of the fundamental changes were done during this last year and hopefully will serve club forever. There are no way in stepping back in times-it's all in the constitution and bylaws.
 I'm very satisfied with club achievements as organization during last year. Thanks!
Alex

--- On Tue, 7/7/09, rick barnett <rick at crcwireless.net> wrote:

> From: rick barnett <rick at crcwireless.net>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Rough times at KCDX Club... but impeachment???
> To: "'Alex, KU1CW'" <ku1cw at yahoo.com>, "'Tom Hammond'" <n0ss at embarqmail.com>, "'kcdxc for fun'" <KCDXC-for-fun at crcltd.com>, "'KC DX Club Reflector'" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>, "'Jeff Blaine'" <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:45 AM
> BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. It was not what you
> did, stupid, it was how you did it. It was your way or
> highway. Now it will be your highway to follow.
> 
> $1Rick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:kcdxc-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Alex, KU1CW
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:22 AM
> To: Tom Hammond; kcdxc for fun; KC DX Club Reflector; Jeff
> Blaine
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Rough times at KCDX Club... but
> impeachment???
> 
> 
>  
>  Thanks to all for the comments. 
> 
> 
>  Commissions were created to look at ALL matters in
> questions discussed below. Not a single decision was made by
> the president without commission recommendation and this is
> new for some club members.
> 
> -Constitutional committee (Constitution, bylaws)
> -Financial (finances, insurance)
> -Dayton (Pileup and suite organization)
> -W0DXCC
> 
>  I think technology and youth working groups need to be
> created as well to promote changes within club in these
> areas.
> 
> 
>  Constitution was observed every time decisions were made.
> All of the decisions are proved to be right for the club.
> Attendance at the meetings is twice higher than before-which
> is good for the club and prove it to be healthier than
> before. If club is seems to be fractured to someone-it is
> mostly along 'old' club lines and few members will be
> unhappy, no matter what is done... unless it's is "like it
> was in 80's" . That can not be reality in 2009 and not
> desired by the majority of the club members.
> 
> Alex 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
> > Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Rough times at KCDX Club... but
> impeachment???
> > To: "Tom Hammond" <n0ss at embarqmail.com>,
> "kcdxc for fun" <KCDXC-for-fun at crcltd.com>,
> "KC DX Club Reflector" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 1:29 AM
> > Tom,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your first paragraph hits on the fundamental issue at
> > hand.  And thanks for pointing it out as I also
> feel
> > there is some confusion on the issue.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > To my thinking, discussion between two individuals
> are
> > mutually productive when there exists a mutual respect
> for
> > the other person.  You respect the other person,
> and
> > may disagree to his point.  It’s the tendency
> of the
> > President to draw a generalization that transcends
> the
> > question and demeans the individual that is the
> > problem.  If you agree with him, you are smart
> and
> > wise.  But if you disagree, then you are
> > misrepresenting the truth, intellectually unable to
> grasp
> > the point, or taking a contrary position in an attempt
> to
> > gain the upper hand.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > And that is what has brought us to this point. 
> Our
> > president just has a very difficult time conducting
> himself
> > in a manner that maintains respect for the person –
> while
> > at the same time disagreeing with the point of the
> other
> > person.  And that’s why the communications have
> this
> > “talking down to” feeling that comes through so
> > heavily.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > To your point on the language issue…  That’s
> a
> > realistic possibility.  And due to the nature of
> my
> > professional life, I am very sensitive to the possible
> issue
> > of culture and language differences.  The
> consideration
> > of “face” is a significant part of every exchange
> I have
> > in a professional context.  But within my
> experience, I
> > simply cannot accept language or culture differences
> as
> > being the basis to excuse the conduct of the
> > President.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The club represents a mostly western culture; and a
> native
> > English-speaking language basis.  I am certain
> that the
> > President’s command of English in the social setting
> is
> > completely adequate to the task.  His time in the
> US is
> > lengthy, and the cultural nuances should be well
> > understood.  I simply cannot believable that the
> > controversial exchanges are happening because the
> President
> > has an inadequate command of English and is
> expressing
> > himself in the only manner he has at hand.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > A far simpler and more believable explanation is that
> the
> > ego of the President leads him to take positions
> without
> > public support, and to make statements in the heat of
> battle
> > because he is unable to restrain his emotions. 
> And
> > it’s for these reasons the motions have been made
> and the
> > question put on the table.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is the guy a great contester?  Absolutely. 
> Is
> > the guy aggressive by nature?  Yes, it’s one of
> the
> > reasons the guy has such a great competitive nature
> and is
> > probably part of the reason for his success.  Is
> the
> > guy technically accomplished?  Yes.  Does he
> think
> > big and dream big dreams?  Yes and yes. 
> Does he
> > have a great following and clearly has the respect of
> hams
> > in the contesting community?  Yes.  Has he
> helped
> > to push the club in a direction that, for the most
> part is
> > positive?  Yes again.  Do I dislike the
> > individual?  Absolutely not.  Who’s my #1
> pick
> > if I were putting together a world-class contest team?
> 
> > Alex.  Has the guy welcomed me to the community
> and
> > encouraged my activities in the hobby?  Yes.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > But the draw of the dark side is heavy…  Does
> he
> > also have the tendency to piss off a person who
> disagrees
> > with him?  Yes.  Does he revert to personal
> > attacks when he is unable to prevail on the point of
> > contention?  Yes.  Is he unable to contain
> his
> > emotion in these discussions and that may contribute
> to
> > making inappropriate comments?  Yes.  Does
> this
> > behavior damage his ability to gain the club’s
> support for
> > his proposals?  Yes.  Does this aggressive
> nature
> > dampen the enthusiasm of members and create an
> environment
> > where contrary views are under pressure to remain
> > silent?  Yes.  Is the result of this
> behavior a
> > fracturing of the unity of the club?  Yes. 
> Is he
> > willing to make decisions on behalf of the club
> membership
> > based on what his opinion of the correct path is –
> without
> > consulting the club membership even if the
> implications
> > suggest this would be the prudent move? 
> Yes.  Is
> > the President placing his personal aspirations in
> primacy to
> > the stewardship of the club?  Yes.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Do the later set of detractions provide such a
> negative so
> > as to trump the positive attributes as a whole? 
> > Unfortunately, the answer is yes.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > What we have here is the club suffering from an
> ancient but
> > quite common management mistake – the conclusion
> that a
> > great salesman necessarily makes a great sales
> > manager.  You pick the job function; the analogy
> is the
> > same.  Success in the individual contributor role
> and
> > as a team leader are completely different skill sets.
> 
> > And now that the club has a greater focus, these
> > shortcomings take on a greater weight.  Our
> President
> > is an unwitting victim of his own success.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Did we make a mistake in electing the guy?  No,
> I
> > don’t think so.  He was the right guy for the
> job at
> > the time.  Much the same way that Gorbachev was
> the
> > right guy at the time.  Mao is famed for saying
> “you
> > can’t make omelets without breaking a few eggs.” 
> > We would probably not be where we are now, without
> having
> > taken the step to shake things up.  But the
> revolution
> > has been achieved, the glide path of the club is on a
> > favorable trajectory - and now it makes sense to step
> back,
> > having the knowledge that he was the right guy at the
> time,
> > and the club would not be here today without those
> actions.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > So Tom, I agree with the comments on the
> > wording…   Impeachment? 
> That’s the
> > wrong term.  Recall?  Probably not right
> > either.  Done what was needed at the time, and
> now
> > it’s time to make a change?  Yea, that’s
> about the
> > right flavor to my thinking.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Wow, I’m a real yes-man today!  And maybe
> I’m
> > complexly off my rocker in this interpretation. 
> > Probably so, now that I consider it.  Hea, I’m
> a
> > Yaesu owner so that certainly characterizes my lack
> of
> > brains in some circles.  Hi hi.  But
> that’s the
> > way I see it here…  I apologize to the club
> for
> > making this such a lengthy message but the nature of
> email
> > communication invites misunderstanding which I hope I
> have
> > been able to avoid here.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > With all this discussion on the issue of respect for
> the
> > individual…  It’s ironic that in traditional
> > business writing, an appropriate closing to this kind
> of
> > message would be:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Respectfully submitted,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 73/Jeff/ac0c
> > 
> >   
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Tom Hammond [mailto:n0ss at embarqmail.com]
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:33 AM
> > To: Tom Hammond N0SS
> > Subject: Rough times at KCDX Club... but
> impeachment???
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Greetings to my friends in the KCDX Club. Friends are
> > supposed to be able to talk 'straight' with each
> other...
> > discussing things 'right' and 'wrong' WITHOUT it
> materially
> > effecting they friendship... I've been a member of the
> KCDX
> > Club for about 25 years... mostly as a result of the
> the
> > fact that I've made the Dayton CW Pileup Contests for
> that
> > length of time, and my dues have been 'paid' by my
> efforts
> > in making the pileups. However, I've known MANY member
> of
> > the Club for much longer than that, and I consider
> many
> > members to be good friends. Please see my the second
> > statement in this e-mail, regarding 'friends'...
> > 
> > First, though I've certainly not discussed this
> problem
> > with everyone in the Club, I have had discussions with
> a
> > number of those directly involved in it, so I feel
> that I
> > have most, if not all, of the facts down right... if
> not,
> > I'm certain that someone will 'correct' me...
> > 
> > I just received a private e-mail from a friend, urging
> me
> > to vote for impeachment of the current KCDX Club
> President.
> > 
> > IMPEACHMENT is generally sought for an official who
> has
> > been derelict in his official duties, or who has done
> > something illegal while in office... NOT just because
> he's
> > managed to piss off a few of his constituents with
> some
> > possibly mis-chosen (but not necessarily libelous)
> words or
> > phrases.
> > 
> > When the current KCDX Club president was first
> nominated
> > for the position, we must assume that this nomination
> was
> > made because the person MAKING that nomination felt
> that the
> > person he was nominating WOULD DO A GOOD JOB IN THAT
> > POSITION. If the nomination was made for ANY other
> reason,
> > then shame on the nominator!!!  Furthermore, it
> should
> > be assumed that those voting in favor of the
> nominee's
> > election also felt that he would be a good person for
> that
> > position... or they should NOT have voted for him as
> well.
> > 
> > From everything I've read and heard during my
> discussions
> > of the problem, I have not heard ONE WORD to indicate
> that
> > the current President has been derelict in his duties,
> or
> > that he has done anything illegal with regard to his
> > management of the Club.  In fact, everything I've
> been
> > told, even from his detractors, seems to indicate that
> his
> > efforts have been to further 'formalize' Club
> operations and
> > to bring it more up to date with regard to record
> keeping,
> > etc.  Though this may not be 'the way it's always
> been
> > done before', it is certainly NOT an impeachable
> offense...
> > and it'd probably benefit the Club in the long
> run.  
> > 
> > Granted, it is regrettable that there may have been
> some
> > 'language barrier' points which may have resulted in
> ruffled
> > feathers and some members having taken comments a bit
> more
> > 'personally' than necessary, causing them to become
> less
> > than 'thrilled' with the new President and his way of
> doing
> > things. But, again, this is NOT an impeachable
> offense... 
> > 
> > From my discussions of the problem with a few of
> those
> > involved, it appears that this problem has degenerated
> to a
> > war of personalities, rather than a problem of Club
> > management. Some members, and some of their close
> friends,
> > are upset that the new President isn't allowing them
> to
> > continue to do things (with regard to management of
> the
> > Club) just as they've been done in the past. Again,
> not an
> > impeachable offense. Other members feel that change
> (in the
> > proper direction) is a good thing.  This has
> created
> > two opposing 'camps' of membership within the Club. 
> > Change, just for the sake of change, is often NOT a
> good
> > thing. However, change for the sake of making the
> Club
> > better, stronger, or more easily run/managed in the
> future
> > can generally be considered to be a good thing... and
> moving
> > the Club in the right direction. This appears to be
> the
> > direction in which the current President has been
> attempting
> > to move the Club.
> > 
> > At the same time, the President should remember that
> he was
> > elected BY THE CLUB MEMBERSHIP and that he does answer
> to
> > them... he does not wield uncontested power in the
> Club and
> > is supposed to represent those who elected him. As a
> result,
> > there should be meaningful, AND PRODUCTIVE,
> discussion
> > between the President and the Club members... it
> cannot be
> > totally one-way without problems evolving. If the
> President
> > cannot 'work with' the Club members (from BOTH SIDES
> OF THE
> > AISLE), then something needs to be done... he either
> should
> > consider resigning (because he no longer has the
> support of
> > the Club), or the Club may consider a RECALL
> ELECTION... but
> > NOT IMPEACHMENT!
> > 
> > Personally, and this is probably the hardest thing for
> ANY
> > group to do, I think EACH NEEDS TO 'GIVE IN' A BIT,
> and to
> > work through its differences TO MAKE THE CLUB
> STRONGER
> > rather than letting differences tear the Club apart.
> > 
> > When the time comes, if it does, I will be voting FOR
> > retention of the current President, however, with the
> hope
> > that he will be able to 'soften' his stance and with
> the
> > hope that ALL other parties who feel they are
> directly
> > involved will be able to bury the hatchet and move on
> to
> > much more productive pursuits within the Club.
> > 
> > If you don't know the details behind the current
> > impeachment effort, I urge you to find out before you
> cast
> > your vote.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Tom Hammond   N0SS
> > 
> >
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