[KCDXC] Article VIII: Amendments
Wm. LAUX
n0ag at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 17 11:55:12 EST 2009
Hi Bob
We worked very hard on this particular section because of your e-mail pointing out the pitfalls of the semantics to begin with.
I think I see where your coming from regarding the "conflict". I believe it is an interpretation of semantics. That said, obviously we would like to avoid any clarity problems from the outset. I am sure we can come up with language that is less obfuscatory.
Thanks again for ur input.
73, Tom...N0AG
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Bob Roske <broske at hutchtel.net> wrote:
> From: Bob Roske <broske at hutchtel.net>
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Article VIII: Amendments
> To: "KC DX Club Reflector" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:07 AM
> Hi Tom,
>
> I did a drag n drop at 0100 CST this morning, guess I
> didn't do a refresh on
> my browser to insure I had the latest version.
>
> There is a conflict between the 1st line:
> This constitution may be amended by a three-quarters vote
> of the votes
> received.
> and the 3rd line:
> A three quarter (3/4) majority vote of the voting members
> shall be
> considered acceptance of the amendment/amendments.
>
> With 100 members:
> the first line requires 75% of the votes received to be
> Aye, if 50 vote,
> and 50 abstain, that's only 40 Aye votes needed to
> approve.
> the next line requires 75 Aye votes to pass no matter
> how many votes are
> received. Not voting is the same as voting Nay.
>
> Thanks for all your work, I look forward to voting the
> final version.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N0UF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wm. LAUX" <n0ag at yahoo.com>
> To: "KC DX Club Reflector"
> <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>; "Bob Roske"
> <broske at hutchtel.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [KCDXC] Article VIII: Amendments
>
>
> Ladies & Gentlemen:
> Bob is correct that he brought this SNAFU to our attention.
> A fact that I
> have mentioned privately has save us untold amounts of
> grief and for which I
> was extremely grateful. However the current snippet that
> Bob refers to IS
> NOT what is currently being considered on the KCDXC
> website. That provision
> is:
>
> VIII.I
> This constitution may be amended by a three-quarters vote
> of the votes
> received. Proposals for amendments to the constitution
> shall be submitted in
> writing at a regular meeting and will be published in the
> newsletter and
> electronically via e-mail and the club website as
> amendments/changes to the
> constitution. Voting for those changes will be accepted
> until seven (7)
> days prior to the next monthly meeting at which time all
> voting will be
> closed. A three quarter (3/4) majority vote of the voting
> members shall be
> considered acceptance of the amendment/amendments. Results
> will be
> tabulated by the election committee and announced at the
> next regular
> meeting. Results will be published in the newsletter as
> well as
> electronically via e-mail.
>
> It specifically states that all voting will be closed seven
> (7) days prior
> to the next monthly meeting.
>
> Section 7 of the by-laws states: Voting to change the
> Constitution, remove
> officers or members shall be conducted by electronic voting
> consisting of
> e-mail or via the members portal on the KCDXC website.
>
> What we (the constitutional committee) were attempting to
> do in this
> proposal was to make it difficult to change the
> constitution or throw
> somebody out of the club. Conversely we wanted it to be
> relatively easy to
> make changes to the by-laws, in which the club conducts its
> day to day
> business. We also wanted to make it short and simple.
>
> I thanked Bob privately in an e-mail when he brought it to
> our attention and
> I would like to do that publicly now, but I believe we
> fixed the problem.
> Tom...N0AG
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Bob Roske <broske at hutchtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bob Roske <broske at hutchtel.net>
> > Subject: Re: [KCDXC] KCDXC Club meeting - February 23
> > To: "KC DX Club Reflector"
> <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:16 AM
> > KCDXC Members,
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Article VIII: Amendments
> >
> > VIII.I This constitution may be amended by a
> two-thirds
> > vote of the
> > membership. Proposals for amendments shall be
> submitted in
> > writing at a
> > regular meeting and shall be voted on at the next
> following
> > regular meeting,
> > provided all members have been notified by newsletter
> or
> > e-mail of the
> > intent to amend the constitution at said meeting.
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > This article requires a two-thirds vote of the
> membership,
> > (NOT the members
> > present) and specifies they must be at the meeting to
> vote.
> > There is no
> > provision for electronic voting in this section. With
> 70
> > members it will
> > take 47 votes to amend this constitution.
> >
> > If this is approved as it is written, it will be next
> to
> > impossible to amend
> > the constitution, even with electronic voting it will
> be
> > difficult.
> >
> > With the verbiage currently in this section, it could
> be
> > argued that it
> > should take 47 votes to approve the constitution as
> well.
> >
> > This isn't a last minute red herring, I pointed
> this
> > out a month ago.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob Roske, N0UF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex, KU1CW" <ku1cw at yahoo.com>
> > To: "kcdxc" <kcdxc at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:29 PM
> > Subject: [KCDXC] KCDXC Club meeting - February 23
> >
> >
> >
> > KCDXC Members,
> >
> > Another exiting KCDXC club meeting will be held on
> Feb.23
> > at the JoCo
> > library. Starting 18.30 at the Carmack Meeting Room.
> > Followed by pie at Perkins!
> >
> > -We will vote on KCDXC club insurance, proposed by the
> > Finance Committee.
> >
> > -Please take a look at the proposed KCDXC constitution
> at:
> > http://www.kcdxclub.com/constitutionproposed.html
> > and send any comments to Tom, N0AG.
> > Latest version will be on the WEB by tomorrow AM.
> >
> > -Also, it is time to pay dues. Please contact Mike,
> AB0X
> > with any questions.
> >
> > Now about the meeting agenda. We will have three
> > interesting presentations:
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > #1-TO5DX 2008 DX/contest pedition presentation. We
> will
> > have guest speaker
> > K0RH, Jim from Wichita. Jim first licensed in 1959 and
> have
> > been active all
> > those years chasing DX & contesting. In 2007 went
> to
> > Grenada and operated
> > J3A multi-multi ssb. Have held the calls K0WUI, KK0SS,
> > J3/K0RH, and now
> > K0RH. Midwest Div member of ARRL Contest Advisory
> > Committee. 20-30min
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------
> > #2-Tom, N0AG, will present Part 2 of the tower
> installation
> > and safety
> > program. We will hear about 100ft tilt over Rohn
> 45's
> > and everything you
> > will need to know about the tower installations.
> > Here's Tom's short BIO:
> >
> > "I was first licensed in 1980 as KAØDEG. My
> first
> > store bought rig was a
> > Ten-Tec Century 21. CW only, 50 watts out but she was
> a
> > beauty.
> > Work and kids intervened. I let my license lapse.
> Time
> > goes by. In 1992
> > my wife and I decided to build a house in Miami
> County,
> > Kansas. In 1993 the
> > house was completed. I got the itch again. I decided
> to
> > pour some tower
> > footings "just in Case".
> > I found a class and was introduced to the Santa Fe
> Amateur
> > Radio Club in the
> > winter of 1994. I was licensed a few months later as
> > KBØMZG.
> > I enjoy "casual contesting" and DXing. I am
> a
> > closet paper chaser. My real
> > love is still antennas I never have tired of observing
> the
> > magic when a good
> > antenna is hooked up to the radio and signals pour
> forth.
> > My current projects include fabricating and installing
> a
> > three tower antenna
> > system to be completed in 2009. I am also trying to
> become
> > familiar with
> > the digital modes." 30-40min
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > #3-Jeff, AC0C will have short intro into his future
> full
> > presentation-converting SB200 into legal power
> amplifier.
> > Two GI7B, a lot of
> > thinking, some work and ...some smoke. Well let Jeff
> tell
> > us about it.
> >
> > Jeff's presentation this time will be attic
> > antennas-3el 40M-10m and loaded
> > dipoles for 160/80M.
> >
> > About Jeff: "Likes: Running CW, PSK and RTTY.
> > Rag-chewing and tinkering with
> > amps, antennas/modeling. Working on DXCC and PSK-WAS.
> > Improving my CW fist
> > after about 27 years QRT. Thanks to everyone I've
> > worked and had the
> > patience to put up with my many CW sending errors.
> > Rig: Yaesu FT-2000, DMU-2000 & Heathkit SB-200
> amp.
> > 200-500w
> > Antenna: Attic-mounted 3-element trapped inverted-v
> wire
> > beam for 20/30/40m
> > using traps at 40' (11m) apex. Switchable
> east/west.
> > Traps on the driven
> > element for 80m also. MFJ-998 automatic ATU mounted
> near
> > the antenna feed
> > point provides full 10-160m all band coverage."
> 45min
> >
> > CU at the meeting!
> > 73. Alex KU1CW KCDXC President.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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