I just got off the phone with KG0US and he said he'd give ARRL 160M another try. Dave uses a trapped dipole like a DXCC something or other on a small lot in Raytown. Like he said.. if he can do it from there (and successfully I might add) then any one can. 1-KU1CW (Alex) 2-AE9B (Tom) 3-K0LW (Lee) 4-AA0FO ( Marshall) 5-KG0US (Dave) Maybe N0TT Charlie Next Signer Upper P L E A S E Tom Baugh AE9B