[K6NCG] The Pre ET School nightmare

Thu Jun 27 23:22:36 EDT 2013

Dan,

I too joined the Navy on a "Minority Enlistment", and out of the Northwest
as well, although a couple years earlier than you. I desperately wanted to
be an RM and they promised radio school, but after I took those tests in
Boot Camp they said that I was much more qualified to be an ET.

In May of 1959, as I was just finishing my last year of HS, I took (and
passed) my Novice exam. Two weeks later I took that same airline trip to
boot camp. My license arrived in July, two months before I headed to TI for
A school. At least I got to spend my "boot" leave setting up my novice
station at home.

When I arrived at TI in September of 1959 it didn't take long to notice the
beam, so I paid a visit to the ham shack. I remember that the BC-610 was
still there, but I don't remember much else. I don't remember who I spoke
to, but he said that at the time they didn't have anything that would work
well on the Novice bands, so I went on to pursue other activities.

At the end of school we were given an opportunity to fill out a "dream
sheet" and I wanted to get stationed back in the NW so I asked my instructor
what was the best choice for NW duty. He said that the only ships he knew
were home ported in Seattle were icebreakers so that's what I wrote in. Out
of our class of seventy-something, I was the only person who got what he
asked for - the USS Burton Island, AGB-1. It turned out to be the best
choice of my life.

After I reported on board, and got through two months of Chief's mess cook,
I discovered that we had an active ham station on board, which was used
mostly for phone patches. The First Class RM who ran the station, when he
found that I was a ham, let me run phone patches under his supervision and I
was "hooked." After a North trip I upgraded to General; one more North trip
and then we headed South, where my sole responsibility on that trip was to
run phone patches for the crew.

By the way, after I got off active duty, I went to work in the Seattle
shipyard where the Stoddard was built, and actually got to go to sea with
them on sea trials. Small world, huh?

Jim Cox, K7JAJ

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On Behalf Of Dan Withers
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:19 PM
To: k6ncg at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [K6NCG] The Pre ET School nightmare

Before the official enlistment ceremony in Portland Oregon I was tested for
the standard abilities and ended up with a "guarantee" to attend ET-A school
as the deal maker. Plus if I were to enlist while still 17 years old I would
be eligible for the 3 year enlistment program called the Minority Cruise,
but actually called a "Kiddie Cruise." It was Friday September the 13th,

1963 that I enlisted in Portland and was soon headed to San Diego on my
first airliner trip to Boot Camp. Soon I was herded into Recruit Company
412.

At the end of boot camp when orders were handed out I was shocked to see
that I was headed to the fleet. I went to the USS Estes, AGC-12 that was in
dry dock at the Long Beach Naval Shipyard. It turns out I was on a 6 month
program called Pre School Indoctrination. After several months in 1st
Division running a paint chipper on deck a guy in personnel discovered I had
the highest combined GCT and ARI score on the ship. Then I was whisked away
to OE Division where my duties changed to compartment cleaner and colonel of
the urinal. Then the bad hand of a card draw (Ace of Spades) sent me to
Chiefs Mess for 2 months of Mess Cooking. That was fun and I had great food.

At the last month of the tour one of the ET-2s discovered I was a ham
operator and knew how to operate a voltmeter and oscilloscope, so I became
his personal gofer as we worked on the new SPS-30 radar system being
installed.

On July 10, 1964 I reported to TI and soon discovered the Ham Station and
the much better watch duty over at the station. As a General, K7LNQ there
were plenty of chances to handle traffic and MARS phone patches from the
fleet on 20 meters. Also the special berthing with the Hams and the Band
members was great.

More stories to follow. My TI photos are hosted at
<http://www.ussstoddard.org/k6ncg.htm> http://www.ussstoddard.org/k6ncg.htm

Dan Withers - then K7LNQ (Salem, OR), now WM7W (Port Ludlow, WA)

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   1. Fwd: National HRO-60 ( <mailto:billgibson at fuse.net>
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   2. Jon Blackmon's Website (Michael S. Mitchell)

   3. K6NCG Names and Faces (Michael S. Mitchell)

   4. Ham Shack Photos (Bob Snyder)

   5. Re: Ham Shack Photos ( <mailto:dcrisis at desmondcrisis.com>
dcrisis at desmondcrisis.com)

   6. Re: Ham Shack Photos (TC Dailey)

   7. Re: Fwd: National HRO-60 (TC Dailey)

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Message: 1

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:30:07 -0400 (EDT)

From:  <mailto:billgibson at fuse.net> billgibson at fuse.net

To:  <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net> k6ncg at mailman.qth.net

Subject: [K6NCG] Fwd: National HRO-60

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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:27:39 PM

Subject: Re: National HRO-60 

That HRO-60 is almost as old as I am?but speaking singularly....better
looking than me for sure. Did you use a polishing wheel on the?cabinet?

Beautiful. 

The real art is "under the hood" and I'm sure you tweaked it very well.

Yeah, too bad about?Frank, the good ones die young - he must not have?been
very old. 

My dad is a WWII vet still doing well. That reminds me, I'm leaving tomorrow
with my dad (and mom) for?a week, traveling to the Mayo Clinic. It's time
for their?annual "tune-up." 

? 

P.S. Hey Tom, where can I find new metal-can chassis-mount
electrolytics....or do you "wire around" the old stuff with new axial lead
capacitors underneath? 

? 

Bill - K4UC 

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To:  <mailto:billgibson at fuse.net> billgibson at fuse.net

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:01:05 AM

Subject: Frank 

? 

Unfortunately, Frank is a Silent Key - I only found out in 1974, what he'd
done for me, so called him at his home in Florida... it was Christmas Eve,
and I got to finally thank him - he DID remember me, and was pleased that I
"grabbed" the opportunity.? He told me he'd told the board (and this sounds
JUST like him)... "Hell, he's got a ham license and ALREADY knows the morse
code - damn, don't waste him!" ? He was an old WW-II & Korean War vet, so
didn't mince words much. 

? 

Yeah, when the RMA school instructors were teaching AC theory, they had
those guys doing the phase-angle and total impedance work on GRAPH PAPER...I
was doing the problems on my slide rule (still have it), like I'd been
taught.? I'd almost fall asleep sometimes, so finally tested out of most of
it, and ran the CW practice room for a bit.? I like to joke about the fact
that I was one of the VERY FEW RM's that the ET's "allowed to carry a
screwdriver".. ha ha ha? Heck, I spent a lot of time doing PM's and fixits,
which reduced the load on our ET's a lot - hard to believe the crap I fixed
with a PSM-4 and an OS-8 scope.. most of my "twidget" peers didn't have the
slightest clue about how to use a scope, unless it was attached to a URA-8. 

? 

Yep.. quite a bunch of terrific guys. 

? 

---

? 

Yeah, I play with HF mobile a lot, and 40cw... The wife and I are trying to
"get out of Dodge", and move about 40m South of Denver in the foothills (not
in the fire-prone mountains), so I took down many of the antennas I had up.?

I'm still running a little company, doing commercial fire alarm systems, but
also love repairing/restoring boatanchor ham gear (some new stuff, but not
much)...? My pride & joy was totally redoing a 1955 National HRO-60.. all
new caps, and all new RESISTORS, too.? Oh, it's pretty and works doggone
good.. but recently I resurrected a Drake 2B, which I'd forgotten was such a
quantum advance in receivers.? I've attached my story I wrote about it, but
suffice to say, that with it's PTO, that baby is STABLE.. current project is
an old Gonset G-66B mobile receiver... it had a tough life, apparently.? I
got it working, but the BFO isn't cooking right, and boy is that critter
"crowded" underneath.? My original Elmer from WAY back, had the "chrome
Gonset" pai  r in his '58 Buick with a Webster Band spanner on the bumper -
whoooooah..

so VERY cool. 

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Message: 2

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:21:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

From: "Michael S. Mitchell" < <mailto:w6rw at earthlink.net>
w6rw at earthlink.net>

To: K6NCG Treasure Island Alumni < <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>
k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: [K6NCG] Jon Blackmon's Website

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For those that are interested, I just found Jon Blackmon's website at:

           <http://www.jonblackmon.com/AmateurRadio.html>
http://www.jonblackmon.com/AmateurRadio.html

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:41:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

From: "Michael S. Mitchell" < <mailto:w6rw at earthlink.net>
w6rw at earthlink.net>

To: K6NCG Treasure Island Alumni < <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>
k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: [K6NCG] K6NCG Names and Faces

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I was stationed on Treasure Island and active with the K6NCG station from

September 1965 through June or July of 1966. I remember a lot of happenings

but am having trouble remembering names and/or faces. Maybe those on this

list can help me. I remember that one of the hams had Oregon licnese plates

on his car, another drove a farily new model Ford Bronco, another was from 9

land and was a friend of Wayne Graff who was a ham friend of mine in So

California that originally was from 9 land and another went to Santa Cruz

with me one weekend and we got good and drunk and threw up a lot.

Great memories were had by all. Any help on names and callsigns?

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Message: 4

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:34:57 -0700

From: Bob Snyder < <mailto:bob.snyder at cox.net> bob.snyder at cox.net>

To: Discussion of K6NCG < <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>
k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: [K6NCG] Ham Shack Photos

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Fellow TI Hams,

All of the recent activity here on this list appears to be from folks 

who were on TI in the early to mid '60s and my involvement was in 1969 

and 1970, so I don't have much in common with these discussions.

However, while I was there going to ET A and C schools, I took quite a 

few photos of the ham shack (the original one, Bldg 318), both inside 

and out, and of some of the gear and the hams who inhabited it. There 

also some views of TI from the top of the tower. Some of these are bound 

to bring back memories to those who were there at other times as well, 

and I'd like to share them. Of all the photos I have, I've culled and 

scaled a total of 46imagesto be suitable for web pages and I'd like to 

share them with everyone. I also have descriptions of each photo that 

includes the names of the hams if I remember them.

So here's the deal. Does anyone have an interest in hosting this on the 

web? They would have to do the web development and hosting, all I have 

are the photos and descriptions. But these could be added to an existing 

web page without too much trouble and might even justify a new web site. 

I actually did this several years ago but the person who agreed to add 

it to an existing site backed out, so I've been just sitting on them.

Any takers?

73 to all,

Bob Snyder W6CP, but K7YDM at the time of the photos

P. S. Here's a teaser (I hope the list server will allow inline images):

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Message: 5

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:12:22 -0700

From: " <mailto:dcrisis at desmondcrisis.com> dcrisis at desmondcrisis.com" <
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To: Discussion of K6NCG < <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>
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Subject: Re: [K6NCG] Ham Shack Photos

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I'm happy to host whatever you like.  I picked up K6NCG.org a while ago and

I'm currently forwarding it to the site on qth.net

I have pretty much unlimited hosting space and can install whatever you

like.  I just don't have any photos or content.  I also don't want to lost

the great stuff that is already posted on QTH.

DC

KC6VHG

Treasure Island, now.

On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Bob Snyder < <mailto:bob.snyder at cox.net>
bob.snyder at cox.net> wrote:

> Fellow TI Hams,

> 

> All of the recent activity here on this list appears to be from folks who

were on TI in the early to mid '60s and my involvement was in 1969 and 1970,

so I don't have much in common with these discussions.

> 

> However, while I was there going to ET A and C schools, I took quite a few

photos of the ham shack (the original one, Bldg 318), both inside and out,

and of some of the gear and the hams who inhabited it. There also some views

of TI from the top of the tower. Some of these are bound to bring back

memories to those who were there at other times as well, and I'd like to

share them. Of all the photos I have, I've culled and scaled a total of

46imagesto be suitable for web pages and I'd like to share them with

everyone. I also have descriptions of each photo that includes the names of

the hams if I remember them.

> 

> So here's the deal. Does anyone have an interest in hosting this on the

web? They would have to do the web development and hosting, all I have are

the photos and descriptions. But these could be added to an existing web

page without too much trouble and might even justify a new web site. I

actually did this several years ago but the person who agreed to add it to

an existing site backed out, so I've been just sitting on them.

> 

> Any takers?

> 

> 73 to all,

> 

> Bob Snyder W6CP, but K7YDM at the time of the photos

> 

> P. S. Here's a teaser (I hope the list server will allow inline images):

> 

> 

> 

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Message: 6

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:34:14 -0600

From: "TC Dailey" < <mailto:daileyservices at qwest.net>
daileyservices at qwest.net>

To: "Discussion of K6NCG" < <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>
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Subject: Re: [K6NCG] Ham Shack Photos

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Right on, Bob.  I, for one, am quite pleased to SEE all the activity, and 

would love to see those pics on the site.  I left around December of 1962, 

so remember the "OLD" building for sure.

Tom Dailey - W0EAJ - Denver 

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Message: 7

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:01:53 -0600

From: "TC Dailey" < <mailto:daileyservices at qwest.net>
daileyservices at qwest.net>

To: "Discussion of K6NCG" < <mailto:k6ncg at mailman.qth.net>
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Subject: Re: [K6NCG] Fwd: National HRO-60

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Believe-it-or-not, the HRO cabinet was DIRTY, but after I washed it with 

dishwashing soap & water (and a toothbrush), then rinsed carefully.. I 

polished it up with Mother's Car Wax, and it came alive.  The knobs, I give 

the same wash with a toothbrush, then spray some (regular) Pledge in my 

hands and "fondle" the knobs to make 'em not only clean, but look new too. 

There are "some" Nationals with grey knobs that aren't really GREY.  I found

that out as I was washing some, and they were coming out BLUE.... guess, 

left over from a '270 or '155.

On the can-type electrolytics, I don't even bother to try and restuff 

them... I leave them IN PLACE,  cut the lugs off, and put new caps (much 

smaller) under the chassis.  There are ALWAYS spare screw studs or holes you

can use (the HRO power-transformer studs are just long enough, past the 

nuts), and I mount threaded-metal standoffs (spacers) on those, then mount a

terminal strip on top of THOSE.  It makes great place to put the caps, then 

just move the wires from the old cap, to the new ones.. The beauty of it, is

that you haven't physically changed much, so the "purist" COULD put it back 

to original, if they're that anal.  There IS some guy in ELECTRIC RADIO 

magazine who offers to restuff old cans.. I restuffed one of my own (by 

myself) for a SWAN 350, and all the new "sections" fit in it, but it wasn't 

nearly as pretty as the original.  Interestingly, I've begun to use PC mount

caps (leads out of the bottom) too, as the leads fit the terminal strip much

better.  I buy 'em all at MOUSER.

----

the alignment of the HRO is pretty straightforward BUT, the real "fun" comes

when you align the coilsets.  Those are "cut n' try", as you CANNOT align 

them IN THE RADIO.  You must make an adjustment, then plug it back in.. try 

it.. then make another adjustment... and on, ad nauseum.  There are about 16

adjustments on each coilset,... some have less.

Tom 

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