[K3VOA] DRAFT: TMARC Application

[E Allen Brown]

Excellent!
Make it done.
de Al  KZ3AB



-----Original Message-----
From: marc poe <mtnik00 at gmail.com>
To: Gary W3GRB <w3grb at garybutterworth.com>
Cc: E Allen Brown <kz3ab at verizon.net>; kz3ab at arrl.net <kz3ab at arrl.net>; marc.k3poe at gmail.com <marc.k3poe at gmail.com>; K3VOA at mailman.qth.net <K3VOA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2022 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [K3VOA] DRAFT: TMARC Application

Gary,
Sorry for the late response. The numbers check out. You may proceed with submitting the application. See attached, signed, TMARC application for frequency coordination.
73

 marc K3POE



On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:47 PM Gary W3GRB <w3grb at garybutterworth.com> wrote:

Thanks, Al!
Waiting on the OK from Marc and Hugh, and then I'll send it on to T-Marc.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 7:59 PM E Allen Brown <kz3ab at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> I rechecked the numbers and it looks good to me.
>
> 73,
> Al  KZ3AB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary W3GRB <w3grb at garybutterworth.com>
> To: Al Brown <kz3ab at hotmail.com>; marc.k3poe at gmail.com; k3hu at arrl.net
> Cc: k3voa <K3VOA at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2022 4:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [K3VOA] DRAFT: TMARC Application
>
> This is a big help, Al. MANY thanks!
>
> Hugh, Marc, (and anyone else),
>
> I *think *this might be ready to go to T-Marc. Can you please give it a
> final once over and let me know if I should go ahead and submit this?
> I mention Hugh and Marc specifically since I list them as contacts and
> "signed" Hugh's name.
>
> Thank you,
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:01 PM Al Brown <kz3ab at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > In answer to 1),  The license trustee, Hugh Katz, should be one of the
> > contacts.
> > 2)  The first floor is six feet above ground (on average) and it is 15
> > feet high.  Floors 2 through 6 are 10 feet high.  The 7th floor is 20
> > feet high. So, I figure the height of the roof is ~95 feet above ground.
> > Then add the height of the tower plus the mast plus the height of the
> > antenna to get the approximate height of the antenna above ground (AGL).
> > 3) No comment.
> > 4)Depending on the type of duplexer it is, the Duplexer Insertion loss is
> > probably around 2.0 dB.
> > 5) You should put in a number in the Duplexer Insertion Loss blank.  The
> > If the Transmitter Power is 43.90 dBm, subtract the Duplexer Insertion
> Loss
> > 2.0 dB, subtract the Antenna System Cable Loss 2.06 dB and add the
> Antenna
> > Gain 5.05 dB to give you an Effective Radiated Power of 44.89 dBm (if my
> > arithmetic is correct).
> >
> > In my opinion, you shouldn't sweat the numbers too much.  Since this is a
> > low power repeater and the HAAT is a negative number (you have HAAT as
> -39
> > feet. I thought it was -39 meters and you'll have to recalculate the
> HAAT),
> > no one from T-MARC is ever going to inspect it.
> >
> > Finally, the application should be signed by the license trustee since he
> > is the one who is ultimately responsible for the repeater's operation.
> >
> > So, that's my two cents worth.  Hope this helps.
> >
> > 73,
> > Al KZ3AB
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* k3voa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <k3voa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on
> > behalf of Gary W3GRB <w3grb at garybutterworth.com>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2022 6:20 PM
> > *To:* k3voa <K3VOA at mailman.qth.net>
> > *Subject:* Re: [K3VOA] DRAFT: TMARC Application
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I probably should have followed up on this a while back, but would any of
> > you mind having another look at my attempt at filling out the T-MARC
> > Application for Frequency Coordination for our UHF repeater?
> >
> > Thanks to Al (KZ3AB) for helping me with the HAAT back in August. But I'd
> > still be grateful for feedback on the following:
> >
> > 1) I listed Hugh and Marc as the contacts. Ok?
> > 2) Antenna: Do we know our antenna height? Repeaterbook shows us at 100',
> > but that seems slightly high to me. Also, am I correct in remembering
> that
> > it's a top-mounted omnidirectional vertical?
> > 3) I believe our repeater can handle C4FM, but it's never been enabled.
> If
> > we want to do that, this might not be a bad time to do so.
> > 4) ERP Calculations: Do these look right? I based them off of the 2009
> > calculations in the binder (still current? JPGs attached), but I couldn't
> > figure out how duplex loss factors in.
> > 5) Who should sign?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > 73 de Gary, W3GRB
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:00 PM Gary W3GRB <w3grb at garybutterworth.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > My first pass at the T-Marc frequency coordination application is
> > attached.
> > > I'll be grateful for your review/feedback on each item, but especially:
> > >
> > > 1) I listed Hugh and Marc as the contacts. Ok?
> > > 2) Antenna: Do we know our antenna height? Repeaterbook shows us at
> 100',
> > > but that seems slightly high to me. Also, am I correct in remembering
> > that
> > > it's a top-mounted omnidirectional vertical?
> > > 3) I believe our repeater can handle C4FM, but it's never been enabled.
> > If
> > > we want to do that, this might not be a bad time to do so.
> > > 4) ERP Calculations: Do these look right? I based them off of the 2009
> > > calculations in the binder (still current? JPGs attached), but I
> couldn't
> > > figure out how duplex loss factors in.
> > > 5) Who should sign?
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73 de Gary, W3GRB
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 de Gary, W3GRB
> >
>
>
> --
> 73 de Gary, W3GRB
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