[K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
Philip Karras
ke3fl at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 7 12:39:01 EST 2010
OK Next Monday it is. Yes, I believe it will "see" the HD but not be able to access it. We might be able to wipe it clean so that we could re-format & that might allow your system to see it again & you could then start over. But I'm not completely sure.
Phil/KE3FL
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
> To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:55 PM
>
> That's not a bad idea the club meets next Monday right ?
>
> I was considering buying a similar device myself but hadn't
> done
>
> yet till the new setup was all hunky dory (honkie-dorie??)
>
>
>
> I would like to verify the drive before I went back in.
>
> (This would be the fourth time I think, [First couple was a
> laptop
>
> issue, my current problem is with the desktop, long
> story......])
>
>
> I was about to consider leaving just now but thought to
> check my email first.
>
> If they push the issue the 14 day return policy isn't up
> till the 13/14? (Wed/Thur?)
> So if I can remember to bring it I can.
>
>
>
> **Note drive is formatted for ext3, runs Linux [Ubuntu
> 8.04]
>
> Although I don't care if your laptop is Windows and does
> something to the
>
> drive, my data is backed up (except for a few emails, that
> aren't that
>
> important).
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:07:47 -0800
> > From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer
> expert of the club ??
> >
> > My guess is that the 500GB drive is still working. I
> have an external connector to connect any kind of drive via
> a USB port so perhaps at a club meeting I could bring it
> & my laptop & we could at least check the HD that
> way.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident
> computer expert of the club ??
> > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:08 AM
> > >
> > > Ubuntu 8.04 LTS x86
> > >
> > > BIOS is from around 2001-2003 (uncertain as to
> exact era)
> > > BIOS has option for CHS, LBA, Large and AUTO for
> HDD
> > > "Access Mode"
> > > (Is Large = LBA48 ?)
> > > I had kept BIOS at AUTO and 500GB was detected.
> > >
> > > For Scott's question, the drive was originally
> detected as
> > > 500GB when I first installed it.
> > > I copied over my data but hadn't expanded any
> partition to
> > > the full size of the drive yet.
> > > (Wanted to make sure all was well before I did)
> > > (gparted from liveCD and Ubuntu can see the full
> 500GB
> > > drive, when it was still detected)
> > >
> > > For Steve's question bootloader is GRUB and
> worked before
> > > drive was no longer detected.
> > > I was able to boot to Ubuntu and check email but
> now the
> > > drive is no longer booting.
> > >
> > > This IDE error is new to me, the bug reports are
> a few
> > > years old in some cases and more recent in
> others.
> > > (Some are Ubuntu 7.10 others are Ubuntu 9.04)
> > > But for me I didn't get this error till after the
> 500GB
> > > drive went bad and I put the old one back in.
> > > (The error occurs with the old 30GB)
> > >
> > > I think I did notice a jumper setting for 137GB
> on the new
> > > drive.
> > > But didn't set it that way because I thought the
> BIOS could
> > > take it.
> > > (Unless I am mistaken in regards to the Large =
> LBA48
> > > thing)
> > >
> > > I'll try to see if that makes a difference.
> > > (I am little uncertain that the drive may not
> have suffered
> > > some damage by now.)
> > >
> > > > From: comulada at verizon.net
> > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:25:08 -0500
> > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the
> resident computer
> > > expert of the club ??
> > > >
> > > > Sean,
> > > > What flavor/version of Linux are you using
> and how old
> > > is the pc/bios
> > > > you are using? I looked up your error and it
> seems
> > > there's some sort of
> > > > a kernel bug going around that is giving
> this same
> > > drive error.
> > > >
> > > > It seems as though the system is not
> shutting down
> > > properly and the
> > > > kernel is trying to halt the IDE channel
> twice and
> > > this is causing a
> > > > conflict thus confusing the kernel and never
> really
> > > shutting down all
> > > > the way.
> > > >
> > > > Here's a link I found that may be of some
> help...
> > > >
> > > > This is the link to the main thread on the
> Ubuntu
> > > forums:
> > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/193125
> > > >
> > > > This is an external link from one of the
> posts:
> > > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11994
> > > >
> > > > It's worth a shot to look into this (even if
> it's not
> > > the solution for
> > > > your issue).
> > > >
> > > > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ubuntu Release 8.10 (Intrepid)
> > > > Kernel Linux 2.6.27-16 (Generic)
> > > > Gnome 2.24.1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 23:11 -0500, Sean
> Shaffer
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Progress Report:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Old drive was not working because the
> bios was
> > > auto-adjusting to no drive for booting.
> > > > >
> > > > > So new drive was not detected and then
> when I put
> > > old drive back in the bios wasn't set for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure why bios won't adjust back
> when a good
> > > drive is installed but once the HD is
> auto-removed from boot
> > > order that how it remains.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't turn off LAN booting but I can
> turn off
> > > that "position".
> > > > >
> > > > > Weird setup not sure how common that is
> but you
> > > don't enable/disable a device but rather the
> position in the
> > > boot order.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I only have the first three
> positions set
> > > (Floppy,CDROM,HD) and the last position is
> disabled.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So what I find is that the old drive
> works.
> > > > >
> > > > > The new one doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > And on shutdown with the old drive,
> Linux reports
> > > that it "cannot iterate the IDE device: No such
> file or
> > > directory"
> > > > >
> > > > > Any other Linux users ? What does that
> mean ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I may take it back tommorrow but would
> like to
> > > know if may happen again before I bring a
> replacement home.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Picked this up local in Staples.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:03:00
> -0800
> > > > > > From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> > > > > > To: comulada at verizon.net;
> > > k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is
> the
> > > resident computer expert of the club ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Try the known good cable, - good
> idea.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "I'd say the drive has gone south
> but" - If
> > > neither HD works it is highly unlikely that both
> died at the
> > > same time, and one while it was not even being
> used!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Anthony
> Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Anthony Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who
> is the
> > > resident computer expert of the club ??
> > > > > > > To: "Carroll County Amateur
> Radio Club"
> > > <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 5,
> 2010, 8:44
> > > PM
> > > > > > > Try a different IDE/sata
> cable (ie
> > > > > > > the one from the other
> IDE/sata
> > > > > > > channel that still working).
> Try to put
> > > the drive(s) in the
> > > > > > > second
> > > > > > > IDE/sata channel and see if
> the 2nd
> > > channel recognizes a
> > > > > > > drive is in
> > > > > > > there. The other step you
> should
> > > probably take is to verify
> > > > > > > the drives
> > > > > > > on a known working
> systemboard. Or you
> > > could take the
> > > > > > > drives to a
> > > > > > > friends house and try it out
> on their
> > > computer... I have an
> > > > > > > external USB
> > > > > > > enclosure that comes in handy
> for that
> > > kind of stuff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With out looking at it, I'd
> say the
> > > drive has gone south
> > > > > > > but, the IDE
> > > > > > > could be bad or both...it's
> not
> > > uncommon for drives to
> > > > > > > expire early in
> > > > > > > life... It's got to be one or
> the
> > > other.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 19:40
> -0500, Sean
> > > Shaffer wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'll have to check the
> bios
> > > again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The first time I checked
> it did
> > > not detect the IDE
> > > > > > > drive (listed as none)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But I forgot to look at
> the boot
> > > order (since it
> > > > > > > didn't list an IDE at all).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The USB drive is not
> connected.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I removed all
> peripherials but
> > > monitor, keyboard and
> > > > > > > mouse
> > > > > > > > (mouse is usb though if
> that
> > > matters)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In answer to Phil, after
> the 500GB
> > > drive was not
> > > > > > > detected I tried the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > original 30GB with the
> same
> > > result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And Steve's email
> reminded me that
> > > I hadn't checked
> > > > > > > the boot order
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (but the BIOS does not
> detect
> > > either drive now?)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This bios, I don't
> think, won't
> > > let me turn off the
> > > > > > > PXE boot I can only
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > place it in the last
> order
> > > position. Unless
> > > > > > > there a keystroke not listed
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that lets me disable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I currently have the
> original 30GB
> > > drive in it I'll
> > > > > > > check bios options and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > boot order again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan
> 2010
> > > 19:05:27 -0500
> > > > > > > > > From: wo3l at comcast.net
> > > > > > > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re:
> [K3PZN-List] Who
> > > is the resident
> > > > > > > computer expert of the club
> ??
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1st thing is to
> pull the
> > > drive you installed
> > > > > > > today and make sure it
> > > > > > > > > still boots off the
> internal
> > > disk.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The USB disk should
> be
> > > hotplug unless something
> > > > > > > very strange is going
> > > > > > > > > on, so with the
> system booted
> > > connect that device
> > > > > > > and make sure the OS
> > > > > > > > > sees it and things
> are OK.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To work out the
> boot issues
> > > check the BIOS boot
> > > > > > > order and see if it
> > > > > > > > > added the new USB
> device to
> > > the top causing the
> > > > > > > SATA or IDE drive to
> > > > > > > > > fall off the bottom
> of the
> > > list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 1/5/2010 18:43,
> Sean
> > > Shaffer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I may have
> done
> > > something stupid but can't
> > > > > > > quite tell.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I may need
> another pair
> > > of eyes on
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I installed a
> 500GB hard
> > > drive into an old
> > > > > > > PC
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (not quite
> that old,
> > > 2003-ish maybe).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > All was well,
> I copied
> > > my data to it and
> > > > > > > only had to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > fix the
> bootloader.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For a week it
> worked
> > > without issues.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Today I had
> everything
> > > turned off, plugged
> > > > > > > it all into
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a new surge
> protector,
> > > plugged in a second
> > > > > > > usb
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > external drive
> and
> > > turned it all back on.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On reboot all
> I get is
> > > the PXE net boot
> > > > > > > option and a
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > message that
> no boot
> > > device is found and I
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the cables.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I tried 3 IDE
> cables and
> > > 2 power cables, I
> > > > > > > cannot get
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the IDE drives
> (either
> > > the new one or the
> > > > > > > old one) to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > be
> recognized.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > DVD/CD still
> works, I
> > > can run off boot discs
> > > > > > > or LiveCDs
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sean KB3IMT
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
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