From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 08:53:24 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 05:53:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
Message-ID: <568079.2863.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Has anyone read/heard/know of this?

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands.

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW..

Is this for real or did I dream this one up?

tnx & 73 de ke3fl
Phil



      

From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 10:07:36 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 07:07:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
Message-ID: <389359.83910.qm@web112016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to all who responded!

I found it! I read in the November issue of World Radio on-line Magazine 2010: pg 18 - 20

"Is the Road Narrowing for VHF and UHF Repeaters in Florida?"

link: http://www.worldradiomagazine.com/wro_issues/2010/WRO_11_2010.pdf

73 de ke3fl
Phil


      

From Dave.E.Blank at bge.com  Thu Dec  2 11:19:16 2010
From: Dave.E.Blank at bge.com (Blank, Dave E)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:19:16 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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FCC had mandated to Move Commercial from +/- 5KC deviation or 25KC bandwidth to 12 1/2KC bandwidth or +/- 2.5 KC Dev. By 2015 

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Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?

Has anyone read/heard/know of this?

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands.

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW..

Is this for real or did I dream this one up?

tnx & 73 de ke3fl
Phil



      
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From wo3l at comcast.net  Thu Dec  2 11:46:01 2010
From: wo3l at comcast.net (wo3l at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:46:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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I saw this article as well. Commercial and Public safety moving to 2.5KHz has been in the works for a long time. 



That doesn't have any bearing on amateur regs and I've seen nothing that would indicate a move to require 2.5KHz on amateur frequencies and such a rule would be a significant reversal for the FCC that has explicitly rejected regulation by bandwidth for amateur bands. 



As for the FRC 



Having 1st hand knowledge of that group from my time in FL as a repeater owner/trustee my personal take is that the 2.5KHz proposal originated from the Miami/Dade area where there is a large population center that has no available 2m (likely 70cm as well by?now) pairs. This would allow the FRC to coordinate more repeaters in the heavy population centers where there has been a long waiting list. 



I don't think the cent and north FL FRC delegates would be inclined to support the proposal since they don't have the same pressure for pairs that south FL has and it would upset a lot of repeater owners. 



In addition unless you have a radio that can adjust the?bandwidth?in s/w?once you hardware modify a user radio for 2.5KHz you?won't be able to use a 5KHz machine effectively so now you've broken compatability between users and the some (if not most)?of the repeaters in the area. I'd expect opposition from ARES/RACES on thses grounds - we've just taken the universal 2m radio that every ham has and is the most widely interoperable piece of equipment in the go-kit and made it much less useful. 



If it were adopted I would also expect an eventual?revolt from many long established repeater owners. There isn't any requirement to have your repeater coordinated, and many would just continue to operate as-is which would then create a mess for anyone trying to coordinate a new 2.5KHz repeater. FRC couldn't just ignore a now uncordinated repeater that has been on the same freq same location for 25 years and coordinate someone new down the road - I don't think that would fly with the idea of the coordinator doing their job to prevent interference. 



Just my $0.02. 



Andy 





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip Karras" <ke3fl at yahoo.com> 
To: "ccarc" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:53:24 AM 
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW? 

Has anyone read/heard/know of this? 

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands. 

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW.. 

Is this for real or did I dream this one up? 

tnx & 73 de ke3fl 
Phil 



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From glenrockian at verizon.net  Thu Dec  2 12:12:02 2010
From: glenrockian at verizon.net (Steve)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:12:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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Of course there's more to this than just turning down the deviation. Public safety and commercial  use digital modulation P25 variants to reduce the bandwidth. Phase II P25 is also in the works and it will reduce bw by half again (6.25KHz). Following this path means all new hardware for base and individual users. There are amateur P25 systems around though in major Motorola employer areas of the country.

73;
Steve
NY3A




Dec 2, 2010 11:46:11 AM, k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net wrote:



I saw this article as well. Commercial and Public safety moving to 2.5KHz has been in the works for a long time. 



That doesn't have any bearing on amateur regs and I've seen nothing that would indicate a move to require 2.5KHz on amateur frequencies and such a rule would be a significant reversal for the FCC that has explicitly rejected regulation by bandwidth for amateur bands. 



As for the FRC 



Having 1st hand knowledge of that group from my time in FL as a repeater owner/trustee my personal take is that the 2.5KHz proposal originated from the Miami/Dade area where there is a large population center that has no available 2m (likely 70cm as well by now) pairs. This would allow the FRC to coordinate more repeaters in the heavy population centers where there has been a long waiting list. 



I don't think the cent and north FL FRC delegates would be inclined to support the proposal since they don't have the same pressure for pairs that south FL has and it would upset a lot of repeater owners. 



In addition unless you have a radio that can adjust the bandwidth in s/w once you hardware modify a user radio for 2.5KHz you won't be able to use a 5KHz machine effectively so now you've broken compatability between users and the some (if not most) of the repeaters in the area. I'd expect opposition from ARES/RACES on thses grounds - we've just taken the universal 2m radio that every ham has and is the most widely interoperable piece of equipment in the go-kit and made it much less useful. 



If it were adopted I would also expect an eventual revolt from many long established repeater owners. There isn't any requirement to have your repeater coordinated, and many would just continue to operate as-is which would then create a mess for anyone trying to coordinate a new 2.5KHz repeater. FRC couldn't just ignore a now uncordinated repeater that has been on the same freq same location for 25 years and coordinate someone new down the road - I don't think that would fly with the idea of the coordinator doing their job to prevent interference. 



Just my $0.02. 



Andy 





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip Karras" 
To: "ccarc" 
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:53:24 AM 
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW? 

Has anyone read/heard/know of this? 

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands. 

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW.. 

Is this for real or did I dream this one up? 

tnx & 73 de ke3fl 
Phil 



       
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From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 12:31:15 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:31:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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Phil

I would email someone from TMARC, like maybe Dave?Prestel W8AJR.? As you can 
imagine this would decimate ARES since it would make our equipment mostly 
obsolete.? Like the others I don't see if happening.? 


Repeaters in the 70's and 80's were used extensively.? I would forecast some 
gradual loss of repeaters as their supporters become SK's.? I don't know of any 
now vulnerable here, but I can imagine a steady decline in more rural areas.? 
Not that I have any specific knowledge here - just a hunch.? 


73 Curt

?


----- Original Message ----
From: Philip Karras <ke3fl at yahoo.com>
To: ccarc <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 8:53:24 AM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?

Has anyone read/heard/know of this?

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but 
can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer 
channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & 
public safety NBFM bands.

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was 
proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I 
think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM 
would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for 
wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW..

Is this for real or did I dream this one up?

tnx & 73 de ke3fl
Phil



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From Dave.E.Blank at bge.com  Thu Dec  2 12:49:04 2010
From: Dave.E.Blank at bge.com (Blank, Dave E)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:49:04 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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So if 25KC bandwidth is =/- 5KC or Where we are now!
 and  12.5KC  bandwidth is +/- 2.5kc 
 than 6.25KC bandwidth is  +/- 1.75 Deviation. Or where they want to end up.
That isn't much talk power! But remember this would be digital, so your existing radio is still sending analog voice. Most newer commercial radio's are being sold with 12.5 KC bandwidth. Many are advertised to be 6.5KC capable. Many of the reduced modulation/bandwidth radio are actually using a Vocoder (A Device using a look up in a table to manually reproduce human voice) to give you the message! So if they (the FCC) want to convert the HAM to a lesser level of Modulation, say 12.5 than you could get by with just turning your deviation back. But to be able to go to the 6.25kc level you would really need the vocoder making your older radio's obsolete and unusable. 


 
-----Original Message-----
From: k3pzn-list-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:k3pzn-list-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:12 PM
To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?


Of course there's more to this than just turning down the deviation. Public safety and commercial  use digital modulation P25 variants to reduce the bandwidth. Phase II P25 is also in the works and it will reduce bw by half again (6.25KHz). Following this path means all new hardware for base and individual users. There are amateur P25 systems around though in major Motorola employer areas of the country.

73;
Steve
NY3A




Dec 2, 2010 11:46:11 AM, k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net wrote:



I saw this article as well. Commercial and Public safety moving to 2.5KHz has been in the works for a long time. 



That doesn't have any bearing on amateur regs and I've seen nothing that would indicate a move to require 2.5KHz on amateur frequencies and such a rule would be a significant reversal for the FCC that has explicitly rejected regulation by bandwidth for amateur bands. 



As for the FRC 



Having 1st hand knowledge of that group from my time in FL as a repeater owner/trustee my personal take is that the 2.5KHz proposal originated from the Miami/Dade area where there is a large population center that has no available 2m (likely 70cm as well by now) pairs. This would allow the FRC to coordinate more repeaters in the heavy population centers where there has been a long waiting list. 



I don't think the cent and north FL FRC delegates would be inclined to support the proposal since they don't have the same pressure for pairs that south FL has and it would upset a lot of repeater owners. 



In addition unless you have a radio that can adjust the bandwidth in s/w once you hardware modify a user radio for 2.5KHz you won't be able to use a 5KHz machine effectively so now you've broken compatability between users and the some (if not most) of the repeaters in the area. I'd expect opposition from ARES/RACES on thses grounds - we've just taken the universal 2m radio that every ham has and is the most widely interoperable piece of equipment in the go-kit and made it much less useful. 



If it were adopted I would also expect an eventual revolt from many long established repeater owners. There isn't any requirement to have your repeater coordinated, and many would just continue to operate as-is which would then create a mess for anyone trying to coordinate a new 2.5KHz repeater. FRC couldn't just ignore a now uncordinated repeater that has been on the same freq same location for 25 years and coordinate someone new down the road - I don't think that would fly with the idea of the coordinator doing their job to prevent interference. 



Just my $0.02. 



Andy 





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip Karras" 
To: "ccarc" 
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:53:24 AM 
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW? 

Has anyone read/heard/know of this? 

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands. 

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW.. 

Is this for real or did I dream this one up? 

tnx & 73 de ke3fl 
Phil 



       
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From wo3l at comcast.net  Thu Dec  2 13:10:23 2010
From: wo3l at comcast.net (wo3l at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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Yes the numbers in the deviation and spacing do get people messed up a bit, if I understand the FRC proposal correctly they want +-2.5KHz? deviation for 12.5KHz of BW. This would allow them to put repeater pairs inbetween the existing pairs. These pairs would be used for analog as well as any new digital modes - I didn't read any poposal to mandate all digital comms and I did read how they thought existing analog voice could be accomodated with easy modification of many radios. 



In any case I think its a non-starter in any case.? 



Andy 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave E Blank" <Dave.E.Blank at bge.com> 
To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 12:49:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW? 

So if 25KC bandwidth is =/- 5KC or Where we are now! 
?and ?12.5KC ?bandwidth is +/- 2.5kc 
?than 6.25KC bandwidth is ?+/- 1.75 Deviation. Or where they want to end up. 
That isn't much talk power! But remember this would be digital, so your existing radio is still sending analog voice. Most newer commercial radio's are being sold with 12.5 KC bandwidth. Many are advertised to be 6.5KC capable. Many of the reduced modulation/bandwidth radio are actually using a Vocoder (A Device using a look up in a table to manually reproduce human voice) to give you the message! So if they (the FCC) want to convert the HAM to a lesser level of Modulation, say 12.5 than you could get by with just turning your deviation back. But to be able to go to the 6.25kc level you would really need the vocoder making your older radio's obsolete and unusable. 


? 
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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:12 PM 
To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW? 


Of course there's more to this than just turning down the deviation. Public safety and commercial ?use digital modulation P25 variants to reduce the bandwidth. Phase II P25 is also in the works and it will reduce bw by half again (6.25KHz). Following this path means all new hardware for base and individual users. There are amateur P25 systems around though in major Motorola employer areas of the country. 

73; 
Steve 
NY3A 




Dec 2, 2010 11:46:11 AM, k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net wrote: 



I saw this article as well. Commercial and Public safety moving to 2.5KHz has been in the works for a long time. 



That doesn't have any bearing on amateur regs and I've seen nothing that would indicate a move to require 2.5KHz on amateur frequencies and such a rule would be a significant reversal for the FCC that has explicitly rejected regulation by bandwidth for amateur bands. 



As for the FRC 



Having 1st hand knowledge of that group from my time in FL as a repeater owner/trustee my personal take is that the 2.5KHz proposal originated from the Miami/Dade area where there is a large population center that has no available 2m (likely 70cm as well by now) pairs. This would allow the FRC to coordinate more repeaters in the heavy population centers where there has been a long waiting list. 



I don't think the cent and north FL FRC delegates would be inclined to support the proposal since they don't have the same pressure for pairs that south FL has and it would upset a lot of repeater owners. 



In addition unless you have a radio that can adjust the bandwidth in s/w once you hardware modify a user radio for 2.5KHz you won't be able to use a 5KHz machine effectively so now you've broken compatability between users and the some (if not most) of the repeaters in the area. I'd expect opposition from ARES/RACES on thses grounds - we've just taken the universal 2m radio that every ham has and is the most widely interoperable piece of equipment in the go-kit and made it much less useful. 



If it were adopted I would also expect an eventual revolt from many long established repeater owners. There isn't any requirement to have your repeater coordinated, and many would just continue to operate as-is which would then create a mess for anyone trying to coordinate a new 2.5KHz repeater. FRC couldn't just ignore a now uncordinated repeater that has been on the same freq same location for 25 years and coordinate someone new down the road - I don't think that would fly with the idea of the coordinator doing their job to prevent interference. 



Just my $0.02. 



Andy 





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip Karras" 
To: "ccarc" 
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:53:24 AM 
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW? 

Has anyone read/heard/know of this? 

I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands. 

Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015? for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW.. 

Is this for real or did I dream this one up? 

tnx & 73 de ke3fl 
Phil 



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From Blasberg at verizon.net  Thu Dec  2 14:19:02 2010
From: Blasberg at verizon.net (Dan Blasberg)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:19:02 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
In-Reply-To: <2110599632.1279006.1291309922884.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
References: <2110599632.1279006.1291309922884.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
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Steve,

The P25 and MotoTRBO repeaters are more prevalent than just Motorola  
employee areas.

There is a UHF P25 amateur repeater in Frederick, MD and a UHF  
MotoTRBO amateur repeater here in PG county.

Just FYI...

Dan
KA8YPY

On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Steve wrote:

>
> Of course there's more to this than just turning down the deviation.  
> Public safety and commercial  use digital modulation P25 variants to  
> reduce the bandwidth. Phase II P25 is also in the works and it will  
> reduce bw by half again (6.25KHz). Following this path means all new  
> hardware for base and individual users. There are amateur P25  
> systems around though in major Motorola employer areas of the country.
>
> 73;
> Steve
> NY3A
>
>
>
>
> Dec 2, 2010 11:46:11 AM, k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>
>
>
> I saw this article as well. Commercial and Public safety moving to  
> 2.5KHz has been in the works for a long time.
>
>
>
> That doesn't have any bearing on amateur regs and I've seen nothing  
> that would indicate a move to require 2.5KHz on amateur frequencies  
> and such a rule would be a significant reversal for the FCC that has  
> explicitly rejected regulation by bandwidth for amateur bands.
>
>
>
> As for the FRC
>
>
>
> Having 1st hand knowledge of that group from my time in FL as a  
> repeater owner/trustee my personal take is that the 2.5KHz proposal  
> originated from the Miami/Dade area where there is a large  
> population center that has no available 2m (likely 70cm as well by  
> now) pairs. This would allow the FRC to coordinate more repeaters in  
> the heavy population centers where there has been a long waiting list.
>
>
>
> I don't think the cent and north FL FRC delegates would be inclined  
> to support the proposal since they don't have the same pressure for  
> pairs that south FL has and it would upset a lot of repeater owners.
>
>
>
> In addition unless you have a radio that can adjust the bandwidth in  
> s/w once you hardware modify a user radio for 2.5KHz you won't be  
> able to use a 5KHz machine effectively so now you've broken  
> compatability between users and the some (if not most) of the  
> repeaters in the area. I'd expect opposition from ARES/RACES on  
> thses grounds - we've just taken the universal 2m radio that every  
> ham has and is the most widely interoperable piece of equipment in  
> the go-kit and made it much less useful.
>
>
>
> If it were adopted I would also expect an eventual revolt from many  
> long established repeater owners. There isn't any requirement to  
> have your repeater coordinated, and many would just continue to  
> operate as-is which would then create a mess for anyone trying to  
> coordinate a new 2.5KHz repeater. FRC couldn't just ignore a now  
> uncordinated repeater that has been on the same freq same location  
> for 25 years and coordinate someone new down the road - I don't  
> think that would fly with the idea of the coordinator doing their  
> job to prevent interference.
>
>
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip Karras"
> To: "ccarc"
> Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:53:24 AM
> Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
>
> Has anyone read/heard/know of this?
>
> I was sure I'd read about this in one of my magazines (print or  
> online) but can't find it now, but if I remember correctly the FCC  
> has mandated a closer channel spacing & narrower bandwidth on the  
> NBFM presently used for business & public safety NBFM bands.
>
> Also in the article I read the Florida Ham Repeater Coordination  
> Group was proposing the same kind of action by something like 2015?  
> for all repeaters, I think they proposed a grand fathering in up to  
> 2020 but after that no wider NBFM would be re-coordinated  
> automatically & would have to give "good" reasons for wanting to  
> stay at the +- 5 KHz BW & not move to the +-2.5 KHz proposed new BW..
>
> Is this for real or did I dream this one up?
>
> tnx & 73 de ke3fl
> Phil
>
>
>
>
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From mreedsmith at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 18:38:56 2010
From: mreedsmith at gmail.com (Matt Smith)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:38:56 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] New NBFM spacings & BW?
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	<64A59E8D525B2D48983B3362C94D894D01F2949612FB@EXM-MSW-05.Ceg.Corp.Net>
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On 12/02/2010 12:49 PM, Blank, Dave E wrote:
> So if 25KC bandwidth is =/- 5KC or Where we are now!
>  and  12.5KC  bandwidth is +/- 2.5kc 
>  than 6.25KC bandwidth is  +/- 1.75 Deviation. Or where they want to end up.
> That isn't much talk power! But remember this would be digital, so your existing radio is still sending analog voice. Most newer commercial radio's are being sold with 12.5 KC bandwidth. Many are advertised to be 6.5KC capable. Many of the reduced modulation/bandwidth radio are actually using a Vocoder (A Device using a look up in a table to manually reproduce human voice) to give you the message! So if they (the FCC) want to convert the HAM to a lesser level of Modulation, say 12.5 than you could get by with just turning your deviation back. But to be able to go to the 6.25kc level you would really need the vocoder making your older radio's obsolete and unusable. 

Actually, 5 kHz deviation with audio response to 3 kHz winds up being about
16 kHz of overall bandwidth. In order to squeeze analog FM into 6.25 kHz and
retain an audio response to 3 kHz, you're left with room for 125 Hz of
deviation, which might as well be AM. This is where digital voice modes and
FSK come into play.

As for digital voice that's not patent encumbered, codec2 looks promising.
http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?page_id=452

--
Matt, AB3JU

From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 09:45:56 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:45:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] On elil' question...
Message-ID: <362142.72212.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Wow did my lil' question start a whole train going or what?

I'd make one suggestion, I had difficulty finding the "new" informatino in the k3pzn list daily file. It really wouldn't be bad to simply drop the email you're answering, or at least most of it, other wise the daily file gets very large & difficult to find the start of new email while scrolling down.

Perhaps we can come up with a way to "reference" a past email we're trying to answer?

73 de ke3fl
Phil


      

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 10:34:35 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 07:34:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] On elil' question...
In-Reply-To: <362142.72212.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <362142.72212.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <265661.53742.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Phil

Most of us don't do the digest ... but I now know of 2 of you that do!? So for 
the long chains (when a reply might have 4 or 5 previous replies attached) does 
the digest give out all these?? Ouch!? If this is the case, we all need to 
delete those previous messages in our replies!? 


I personally use a 'junkbox email address' that stuffs all of k3pzn-list into 
one folder, another folder for QRP-L, another for PVRC-L etc.? 


Often our list can be as quiet as the .410 repeater !? So this is a 'new' 
problem - activity on the mailing list!? Over 'regulatory' stuff yet -- that we 
generally feel won't come to pass.? 


No Pat's band at the Christmas/Holiday party ... will you be a solo act ?? I 
think other musicians are about the club - but they might be 'too loud' for our 
venue.? 


73 Curt


      

From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 12:55:32 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 09:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] On elil' question...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.113.1291395684.23568.k3pzn-list@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <841785.82728.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yup, the digest sticks it all in for every message yet, so there is the original email 2, 3, 4, or 5 email down for EVERY email that responds to it no less.

Normally I don't use the digest but every now & then I do when things get busy, field day, & this year I just haven't yet changed it back. I don't know if Yahoo will put email from one address into a designated folder for me or not.

I did not sign up for the dinner though I'm sure they could make room for me being a vegetarian but I have stuff going on at church that day so I didn't think I could make it this year.

73 de ke3fl
Phil



      

From twimsatt at wimsatt.truepath.com  Fri Dec  3 18:54:06 2010
From: twimsatt at wimsatt.truepath.com (Tom Wimsatt)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:54:06 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Digesters and music
Message-ID: <A0435FD3-AE2B-45E7-AC54-A779AFFCD480@wimsatt.truepath.com>

I am also a digester and just start a new message with the subject line for the response.

If Phil plans on playing music at the party count me in!  I can bring my acoustic and jam along!

Tom Wimsatt
KB3PNU
Sent from my iPod

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 23:27:27 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:27:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Digesters and music
In-Reply-To: <A0435FD3-AE2B-45E7-AC54-A779AFFCD480@wimsatt.truepath.com>
References: <A0435FD3-AE2B-45E7-AC54-A779AFFCD480@wimsatt.truepath.com>
Message-ID: <938625.28952.qm@web53907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Tom

so far no music yet - Phil and Pat are both unavailable.  so we need a different 
music leader if we will do any.  


Curt




----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wimsatt <twimsatt at wimsatt.truepath.com>
To: CCARC K3PZN <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 6:54:06 PM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Digesters and music

I am also a digester and just start a new message with the subject line for the 
response.

If Phil plans on playing music at the party count me in!  I can bring my 
acoustic and jam along!

Tom Wimsatt
KB3PNU
Sent from my iPod
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From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  5 07:16:37 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 04:16:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Some Music?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.99.1291482084.5054.k3pzn-list@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <216674.78156.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I may be able to get there after all. I'll have to look into it a bit more. I thought the real busy Sunday was next Sunday & it turns out it is this Sunday.

This doesn't mean next SUnday is "free" but at least there's a possibility.

73 de ke3fl
Phil


      

From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  5 14:22:52 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 11:22:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Some Music?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.95.1291568463.32158.k3pzn-list@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <410733.97830.qm@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Oh well, no it doesn't look like I can make it after all. It turns out that our church is having a supper that evening as well & I have to sing.

Maybe next year. All of you have a wonderful time & God Bless!

73 de ke3fl
Phil


      

From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 09:14:45 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:14:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] KE3FL heads up...
Message-ID: <423844.44313.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've put up a few of my articles on my web site

http://cs.yrex.com/ke3fl

The newest is "Build a Recharge Center or Get Control Of Your Power Vampires!"

But two other things you may want to read (below that link) are:

Opinion: "The Other Side Of The Coin..." - Why can't we have the basics of every radio up front? 

and:

Review: "Deal Exterme" - Be careful of this company! 

I'll be putting up another titled, "Why Can't We Have This Too?" - about why hasn't any Amateur Radio manufacturer come out with a radio that auto populates a memory bank (~100 memories) with your present location reachable repeaters.

73 de ke3fl
Phil Karras



      

From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 09:15:50 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:15:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] KE3FL heads up...
Message-ID: <928824.67694.qm@web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've put up a few of my articles on my web site

http://cs.yrex.com/ke3fl

The newest is " Build a Recharge Center or Get Control Of Your Power Vampires!"

But two other things you may want to read (below that link) are:

Opinion: "The Other Side Of The Coin..." - Why can't we have the basics of every radio up front? 

and:

Review: Deal Extreme Be careful of this company! 

I'll be putting up another titled, "Why Can't We Have This Too?" - about why hasn't any Amateur Radio manufacturer come out with a radio that auto populates a memory bank (~100 memories) with your present location reachable repeaters.

73 de ke3fl
Phil Karras



      

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 10:51:01 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:51:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] KE3FL heads up...
In-Reply-To: <423844.44313.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <423844.44313.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <406051.71379.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Phil cool stuff (that I will have to review) - I just hope you aren't morphying 
into Wayne Green ....

Pre-programmed repeaters?? Well if you develop the capability (delivered via the 
web) someone will buy it (but not me ... I only talk on a few of the repeaters 
in the memory, I have yet to install a rig into the little SUV the spouse 
drives, and my shack rig has mostly been on 410).? 


I am not morphing into a real contester, but picking out weak signals on 160m 
with my K2 during a run was very cool.? While the other manufacturers can't make 
a K2 (which is uniquely battery friendly on receive, with 6m built-in also that 
it doesn't have) is beyond me.? 


73?Delightful Christmas and other holidays to the rest

Curt

?
----- Original Message ----
From: Philip Karras <ke3fl at yahoo.com>
To: Mid Atlantic <madxra at madxra.org>; K3PZN Reflector LIST 
<k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 9:14:45 AM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] KE3FL heads up...

I've put up a few of my articles on my web site

http://cs.yrex.com/ke3fl

The newest is "Build a Recharge Center or Get Control Of Your Power Vampires!"

But two other things you may want to read (below that link) are:

Opinion: "The Other Side Of The Coin..." - Why can't we have the basics of every 
radio up front? 


and:

Review: "Deal Exterme" - Be careful of this company! 

I'll be putting up another titled, "Why Can't We Have This Too?" - about why 
hasn't any Amateur Radio manufacturer come out with a radio that auto populates 
a memory bank (~100 memories) with your present location reachable repeaters.

73 de ke3fl
Phil Karras



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From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  9 12:02:54 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:02:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Fw: [qrp-l.org] New Slow Code Net
Message-ID: <332910.81123.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

FYI - an opportunity to 'something with CW'? 

You will get more listening practice (which is generally the greater need) -- 
and an opportunity to transmit.? 


I can imagine 100w and a dipole (or vertical) should make it there fine.? If you 
need more radio, a trick is to QSY? a little after (or even at late stages of 
the net) and call CQ, and often someone from the net will strike up a QSO with 
you.? 


Note this is very different/less rigorous than the MD slow net (which I presume 
still exists).? This looks like a low-stress way to continue progressing into CW 
(shhhh ... its a very cool mode, especially for working DX but also for passing 
traffic).? 


73 Curt

?


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Brian Murrey <kb9bvn at gmail.com>
To: QRP-L <qrp-l at mailman.qth.net>; QRP-L <qrp-l at qrp-l.org>
Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 8:41:33 AM
Subject: [qrp-l.org] New Slow Code Net

Do you think your CW needs some practice?? Would you like to be a
little faster?

The Indiana Section has started a Slow Code Net that is held every
night at 00:00Z on a frequency of 3535 Khz.? The net runs about 40
minutes or so, and the speed is 10-13 WPM.? They will take slower
check-ins if that works for you.

At 00:00Z the NCS (Net Control Station) will begin sending the net
preamble.? The net preamble basically explains what the net is, when
it meets, who the NCS for the session is, and all that.? At the end of
the preamble the NCS will start to take check-ins.? It is customary to
just send the first letter of your suffix.? KB9BVN would send B.? When
you hear the NCS send your letter back, then reply with your full call
sign, first name, and QTH.? Nets can be a big help in building speed
and accuracy.? Try it, you'll like it.

Once the list of check-ins has been completed the NCS will go down the
list and give a signal report and ask for traffic or comments from
each checker inner.

73 de KB9BVN
Brian Murrey

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From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 10:15:31 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 07:15:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
Message-ID: <436206.2304.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

On 15m SSB just now had a pleasant conversation with DL3AO.  Then afterwards I 
visited his QRZ listing - Wow!  Look it up yourself.  A nice description of his 
home town (and picture) - and lots of pictures on his various ham stations 
throughout his lifetime.  Cool to see rigs from just after WW2 to his present 
TS-850 (yes like our club station has).  His intro to ham radio was from BCI !  


With the solar flux around 90, a 100 watt station with a dipole, vertical or a 
small beam can have nice QSO's to Europe on 15m.  Go for it !  


      

From mortonph at comcast.net  Sat Dec 11 12:06:08 2010
From: mortonph at comcast.net (Peter Morton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:06:08 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
In-Reply-To: <436206.2304.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <436206.2304.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C4094EBF0BB43D48344FF7666253C5E@ToshibaLaptop>

Interesting fellow.  I wonder how he ventured into Earthquake Seismology and 
Physical Volcanology.

I heard a Cape Town, South Africa SSB station on 20 booming in over S9 
yesterday.  He was using a 5-element monobander.

Tuesday, I "watched" a RTTY pile up on 20.  Guys trying to work ZD9T, a 
dx-pedition on Tristan da Cunha.

Yep.  The sun is waking up.

Just acquired a Comet GP-15 for 6-2-440.  I waited all week for the wind to 
stop blowing and then it snowed yesterday.  Today should be in the 40s, so 
as soon as the snow melts on the ladder rungs, I'm going to try and erect 
the GP-15, and maybe the mini-beam I got from k3yjp.  We'll see.

-Pete, W3GVX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Milton" <wb8yyy at yahoo.com>
To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's


[snip] 


From wo3l at comcast.net  Sat Dec 11 13:07:26 2010
From: wo3l at comcast.net (wo3l at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
In-Reply-To: <0C4094EBF0BB43D48344FF7666253C5E@ToshibaLaptop>
Message-ID: <161554554.581941.1292090846840.JavaMail.root@sz0126a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>


Things are OK on 10 now, making some contacts but its not great. Spending a lot of time CQing inbetween Q's. Given the band its a little slower pace so a good opportunity to make some contacts even if your not into contesting. 


I am however starting to see some 6m spots on the cluster so there might be a little opening up on 6. 


Andy 

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 11 14:09:05 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:09:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
In-Reply-To: <0C4094EBF0BB43D48344FF7666253C5E@ToshibaLaptop>
References: <436206.2304.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<0C4094EBF0BB43D48344FF7666253C5E@ToshibaLaptop>
Message-ID: <165236.42413.qm@web53902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes it seems like a strange occupation for Germany.  

Yeah it is a bit cold for antenna work - we did some outdoor decorating today.  

Pete -- I have my little beam rather low (i need to acquire a sturdier mask - I 
literally see them abandoned attached to some of the houses in the neighborhood 
that are more rigid than this one).  After re-building my elevated deck I want 
to get it up to 30 feet, but for now it works fine - particularly as my ground 
slopes down toward Europe and Africa.  I suggest installing it without the 
17/12m elements to reduce its weight.  I was skeptical when I was given the 
little beam, but indeed it has gain over a vertical - sometimes 2-3 s-units.  


15m contest has many in the US chasing a few DX to the south -- not too much 
happening overall.  I did work an EA8 earlier.  Now the station in Brazil is 579 
so maybe SSB is possible.  


I am making a few contacts to Europe on 160m (Russia, Netherlands, Isle of Man 
etc.) so now I have 60 DXCC with a 36 foot tall vertical and 100w.  


73 Curt




----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Morton <mortonph at comcast.net>
To: Carroll County Amateur Radio Club <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 12:06:08 PM
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's

Interesting fellow.  I wonder how he ventured into Earthquake Seismology and 
Physical Volcanology.

I heard a Cape Town, South Africa SSB station on 20 booming in over S9 
yesterday.  He was using a 5-element monobander.

Tuesday, I "watched" a RTTY pile up on 20.  Guys trying to work ZD9T, a 
dx-pedition on Tristan da Cunha.

Yep.  The sun is waking up.

Just acquired a Comet GP-15 for 6-2-440.  I waited all week for the wind to 
stop blowing and then it snowed yesterday.  Today should be in the 40s, so 
as soon as the snow melts on the ladder rungs, I'm going to try and erect 
the GP-15, and maybe the mini-beam I got from k3yjp.  We'll see.

-Pete, W3GVX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Milton" <wb8yyy at yahoo.com>
To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's


[snip] 

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From ddrake10 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 11 19:16:36 2010
From: ddrake10 at verizon.net (Doug Drake)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:16:36 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
References: <436206.2304.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<0C4094EBF0BB43D48344FF7666253C5E@ToshibaLaptop>
Message-ID: <542F2289C1914950BEE87BC1FA54D9BD@D4X9G6B1>

Best of luck with your new antenna. I have its baby brother a GP-3 at about 
25 feet. Works great.

73

Doug K3CTT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Morton" <mortonph at comcast.net>
To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's


> Interesting fellow.  I wonder how he ventured into Earthquake Seismology 
> and
> Physical Volcanology.
>
> I heard a Cape Town, South Africa SSB station on 20 booming in over S9
> yesterday.  He was using a 5-element monobander.
>
> Tuesday, I "watched" a RTTY pile up on 20.  Guys trying to work ZD9T, a
> dx-pedition on Tristan da Cunha.
>
> Yep.  The sun is waking up.
>
> Just acquired a Comet GP-15 for 6-2-440.  I waited all week for the wind 
> to
> stop blowing and then it snowed yesterday.  Today should be in the 40s, so
> as soon as the snow melts on the ladder rungs, I'm going to try and erect
> the GP-15, and maybe the mini-beam I got from k3yjp.  We'll see.
>
> -Pete, W3GVX
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt Milton" <wb8yyy at yahoo.com>
> To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:15 AM
> Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
>
>
> [snip]
>
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From mortonph at comcast.net  Sat Dec 11 20:49:27 2010
From: mortonph at comcast.net (Peter Morton)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:49:27 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's
In-Reply-To: <542F2289C1914950BEE87BC1FA54D9BD@D4X9G6B1>
References: <436206.2304.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com><0C4094EBF0BB43D48344FF7666253C5E@ToshibaLaptop>
	<542F2289C1914950BEE87BC1FA54D9BD@D4X9G6B1>
Message-ID: <446769B26CE242388EF6F3C5F96098DE@ToshibaLaptop>

Hi Doug-

Thanks for the call on the 440  repeater.  I checked the latest membership 
list just released by N3WM and you're on it.  I remember your application 
now that I've seen your last name.

You should come to a meeting and meet some of the guys.  Last month we had a 
standing-room-only crowd when Stu, W3STU, gave a very enlightening and 
entertaining presentation on lightning and power-line surge protection.

There is no regular meeting this month, just the Christmas Party tomorrow, 5 
p.m., at the Westminster VFW Hall.  You are welcome to come to that, too. 
Just let me know so I can tell WO3L to put you on the list.

Tentative for January, the program will be a presentation on the SDR Cube 
receiver.  See:  http://www.sdr-cube.com./

Hope to talk to you again soon.

-Pete, W3GVX


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drake" <ddrake10 at verizon.net>
To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Enjoy Some QSO's

[snip] 


From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 12 13:00:59 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:00:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Holiday Dinner - 5 PM I assume
Message-ID: <439071.50976.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I dug thru the mailbox to find the announcement looking for the time -- 5 PM is 
what I found.  Info below.  I hope to see a lot of folk there.  


73 and have a blessed Christmas/Hanukkah if I don't greet you in the crowd.  

Curt
 


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Andy Leeds <wo3l at comcast.net>
To: Carroll County Amateur Radio Club <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 8:03:19 PM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Holiday Dinner

  An early heads up for everyone -  The annual dinner will be Sunday 12 
December 5PM at the VFW in Westminster (same location as last several 
years).

Menu is:
    Tossed Salad
    Chicken
    Ham
    Potatoes Au Gratin
    Green Been

Cost is: $5/member, $15 per guest.

We'll be looking for a head count around the November meeting.

Andy

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From n3sb at qis.net  Sun Dec 12 20:06:10 2010
From: n3sb at qis.net (n3sb at qis.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:06:10 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Holiday Party
Message-ID: <20101212200610.17452rgrrwfwxke8@webmail.qis.net>

Greatly enjoyed the Holiday Party this evening. Traditionally it's the  
best party of the season - and this year was no exception! Great food  
& great friends make this party a winner. The CCARC Covered Wagons are  
true works of art - thank you Susan and Gene!

73 and Happy Holidays;
Steve N3SB



From ddrake10 at verizon.net  Tue Dec 14 00:10:33 2010
From: ddrake10 at verizon.net (Doug Drake)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:10:33 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work
Message-ID: <B4A32992D1F94B1691D79C361B1F1028@D4X9G6B1>

I have an 80M dipole I would like to get in the air but my days of climbing trees and ladders are behind me. If anyone knows of someone local I could hire that does that type of work I would appreciate it if you could pass along their name.

Thanks

Doug
K3CTT

From mortonph at comcast.net  Tue Dec 14 10:37:28 2010
From: mortonph at comcast.net (Peter Morton)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:37:28 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work
In-Reply-To: <B4A32992D1F94B1691D79C361B1F1028@D4X9G6B1>
References: <B4A32992D1F94B1691D79C361B1F1028@D4X9G6B1>
Message-ID: <6A4BAA18BB004C7CA310FBBDAEE4A672@ToshibaLaptop>

Well Doug-

I'm 68 and 100 plus pounds overweight.  I was 20 feet up on a ladder 
Saturday putting up my CF-15, but not comfortably.  I am willing to lend a 
hand if it's not too cold and windy.  Tree climbing is definitely a no-no.

I do have several launchers.  One sling shot, one hyper-dog tennis ball 
launcher, and a pneumatic tennis ball launcher that will shoot over any 
tree.  I clamp a fishing reel on the launcher, shoot the weight or ball with 
line attached over the tree or tree limb, and then attach binder twine or 
small rope to the line and pull it over the limb.

I'm willing to help any time.  Let me know.

There are others in the club who like to climb towers and have climbing 
harnesses.  Not sure about trees.

-Pete, W3GVX



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Drake" <ddrake10 at verizon.net>
To: <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work


[snip]



From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 11:04:19 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:04:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work
In-Reply-To: <B4A32992D1F94B1691D79C361B1F1028@D4X9G6B1>
References: <B4A32992D1F94B1691D79C361B1F1028@D4X9G6B1>
Message-ID: <316846.51694.qm@web53902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Doug

trust me - Pete has the technology to do this from the ground ... but the cold 
temps are an obvious obstacle right now.? 


for getting modest heights a product known as Hyper-Dog works well -- it 
literally uses tennis balls that are launched by the sling shot.? if you obtain 
one of these, you will be ready when the temp is a bit milder.? ideally you can 
attach a fishing reel to one of these with hose clamps -- and that is all you 
need.? (plus some patience as nearly often the line gets into something below 
the tree, or in its lower branches).? 


note for an 80m dipole I don't except a large difference for a something like 25 
vs 35 feet -- mainly in doubling height do you experience a larger difference. 
and it depends on your aim - whether to work USA and occasional DX versus trying 
to work VK and ZL.? 




----- Original Message ----
From: Doug Drake <ddrake10 at verizon.net>
To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 12:10:33 AM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work

I have an 80M dipole I would like to get in the air but my days of climbing 
trees and ladders are behind me. If anyone knows of someone local I could hire 
that does that type of work I would appreciate it if you could pass along their 
name.

Thanks

Doug
K3CTT
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From ddrake10 at verizon.net  Tue Dec 14 11:28:20 2010
From: ddrake10 at verizon.net (Doug Drake)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:28:20 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work
References: <B4A32992D1F94B1691D79C361B1F1028@D4X9G6B1>
	<6A4BAA18BB004C7CA310FBBDAEE4A672@ToshibaLaptop>
Message-ID: <DB8D121DC3EF449692E63E72F12B1A59@D4X9G6B1>

Pete & Curt,

Many thanks for the offer and the info. Using the launcher should be able to 
get it up a good way without having to leave the ground. Not worried about 
DX on 80. I have a very modest station. Only running a 100 watts. My current 
folded dipole is not very efficient on 80 so anything will be a marked 
improvement. I'll make sure I have all the needed ropes, etc.  This cold is 
bound to moderate some time so will have to wait it out for a decent day. 
Thanks again!

73's
Doug
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Morton" <mortonph at comcast.net>
To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work


> Well Doug-
>
> I'm 68 and 100 plus pounds overweight.  I was 20 feet up on a ladder
> Saturday putting up my CF-15, but not comfortably.  I am willing to lend a
> hand if it's not too cold and windy.  Tree climbing is definitely a no-no.
>
> I do have several launchers.  One sling shot, one hyper-dog tennis ball
> launcher, and a pneumatic tennis ball launcher that will shoot over any
> tree.  I clamp a fishing reel on the launcher, shoot the weight or ball 
> with
> line attached over the tree or tree limb, and then attach binder twine or
> small rope to the line and pull it over the limb.
>
> I'm willing to help any time.  Let me know.
>
> There are others in the club who like to climb towers and have climbing
> harnesses.  Not sure about trees.
>
> -Pete, W3GVX
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Drake" <ddrake10 at verizon.net>
> To: <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:10 AM
> Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
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From ke3fl at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 13:42:03 2010
From: ke3fl at yahoo.com (Philip Karras)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:42:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Antenna Work
In-Reply-To: <mailman.125.1292346137.5731.k3pzn-list@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <666891.71897.qm@web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I use an E-Z Hang, basically a sling shot with a weight & fishing line attached.

Workes really well for me. I had to re-hang my 80/40 m dipole this summer & used it without a hitch.

18 years ago I climed the trees to put it up.

73 de ke3fl
Phil


      

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 20:34:25 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:34:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Rookie Roundup This Sunday Evening
Message-ID: <559218.30141.qm@web53902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.arrl.org/rookie-roundup

Its a CW operating event for those licensed < 3 years (for everyone else to work 
you).  


Just curious if anyone is participating as a rookie?  

Time is 1800-2400 UTC.  

To non-Rookies - an opportunity for 'pay-book' for the many ops that contacted 
us back when.  73 Curt


      

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 21:53:12 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:53:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Regen Success !
Message-ID: <657055.47794.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well maybe I am regressing - but then maybe not!  

I pulled out the regen receiver I built last winter, hooked it up -- and this 
time with some patience I have signals.  I first tried building a radio shack 
P=box regenerative receiver as a teen - I remember hearing the same regeneration 
action - but no signals.  


Tonite I have pleasant CW, and CHU time signals.  Literally the rig is just a 
J-FET, an audio IC, a NPN transistor to provide isolation (so I don't radiate 
the regen signal on my vertical!), a few parts, a couple variable caps and a 
coil wound on a pill bottle.  One transistor provides most of the gain and 
detects the signals.  


Amazing it works!  The first electronic ham receivers were regens - built with 
only a few tubes since they were so expensive back then.  I am not ready to get 
rid of my modern receivers - but this thing is rather cool.  It could use some 
refinements - but in essence it is working.  It only took me 30-some years!  
(well not literally in effort as I only tried twice to make one).  


73 Curt


      

From charles2235 at comcast.net  Fri Dec 17 13:17:54 2010
From: charles2235 at comcast.net (Charles Cunningham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:17:54 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] DCS meeting
Message-ID: <1A665BBE9CF948679F2C6542916B66F8@MajgueritePC>

Greetings all,

            There will be no DCS meeting this month. A very merry Christmas
and a happy new year to all.

 

Chuck  N3TOT


From john_k3kwo at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 18 13:53:50 2010
From: john_k3kwo at hotmail.com (John Hart)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:53:50 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] FW: [FARC] YouTube - International Morse Code,
	Hand Sending
In-Reply-To: <38E8BA14866B4AA9B53A1486D8CD7E72@K3SKEFMLRM>
References: <38E8BA14866B4AA9B53A1486D8CD7E72@K3SKEFMLRM>
Message-ID: <BAY156-w3CB7548CE5111A859702DB8170@phx.gbl>


To all from the old brass pounders, where speed was not important.
 
> From: k3ske at comcast.net
> To: farc at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:38:12 -0500
> Subject: [FARC] YouTube - International Morse Code, Hand Sending
> 
> 
> Back in the day for you older brass pounders...
> Get out those old J-38's
> 
> In the Navy is was iron men on wooden ships!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-petiNdCIY
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From kb3jqq at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 18 15:14:12 2010
From: kb3jqq at yahoo.com (Scott, KB3JQQ)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:14:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] a rubber stamp...
Message-ID: <813191.14668.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If someone on this list ordered a rubber stamp "Confirming QSO with"
from The S******* S******, it's on it's way back by UPS and should be
there Monday.


      

From n3yim at verizon.net  Fri Dec 24 12:39:47 2010
From: n3yim at verizon.net (JOSEPH EBAUGH)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:39:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Greetings of the Season
Message-ID: <462793.73752.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To all our family, friends, contesters, club members, firemen, neighbors and in case I missed anyone, everyone.

  It is our wish for all of you to have a blessed and merry Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year in 2011, God bless.

From,Catherine and Joe or Kitty and Allen or Mom and Dad or Old Man and XYL (Take your choice)
Joseph Ebaugh 

From k4hoa at ntelos.net  Fri Dec 24 17:02:49 2010
From: k4hoa at ntelos.net (frank)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:02:49 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] holidays
Message-ID: <90BF794B709A4B169B60C864BE2E2AA4@frank9a7603814>

Hello to all the members and families of the ccarc .MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR from franklin co va.


frank and sue gaver
k4hoa

From mellema at qis.net  Fri Dec 24 20:38:21 2010
From: mellema at qis.net (mellema at qis.net)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:38:21 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Mele Kalikimaka (Merry Christmas)
Message-ID: <20101224203821.20742t1yw679m5mo@webmail.qis.net>

Greetings to all from KH6 land....

I wish everyone the very best for 2011 and a very Merry Christmas -  
Mele Kalikimaka from Oahu...



Best To All..

Bill N3WM




From kb3jqq at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 24 20:53:55 2010
From: kb3jqq at yahoo.com (Scott, KB3JQQ)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:53:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] Mele Kalikimaka (Merry Christmas)
In-Reply-To: <20101224203821.20742t1yw679m5mo@webmail.qis.net>
Message-ID: <425880.25380.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mahalo right back!

> Greetings to all from KH6 land....
> 
> I wish everyone the very best for 2011 and a very Merry
> Christmas -? 
> Mele Kalikimaka from Oahu...
> 
> 
> 
> Best To All..
> 
> Bill N3WM



      

From wo3l at arrl.net  Mon Dec 27 10:42:36 2010
From: wo3l at arrl.net (Andy Leeds)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:42:36 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] box
Message-ID: <4D18B3EC.7000003@arrl.net>


While dropping off the recycling I came across a TS-590 box (sorry no 
radio inside but I did look). So the question is who found the 590 under 
the tree?

Andy

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 27 16:03:58 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:03:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] box
In-Reply-To: <4D18B3EC.7000003@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <233945.29789.qm@web53908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

With a scarce number of hams in the county, and fewer that are active - that is remarkable!  

When I read about the TS-590 I saw the narrow roofing filters as a strength of this radio, so maybe it was a CW op?  Most folk I know who would be interested have a K3 or use hot-rodded 'MP's.  So an interesting mystery as who bought this rig, in advance of the QST review?  

73 Curt


--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Andy Leeds <wo3l at arrl.net> wrote:

> From: Andy Leeds <wo3l at arrl.net>
> Subject: [K3PZN-List] box
> To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:42 AM
> 
> While dropping off the recycling I came across a TS-590 box
> (sorry no 
> radio inside but I did look). So the question is who found
> the 590 under 
> the tree?
> 
> Andy
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From comulada at verizon.net  Mon Dec 27 16:21:56 2010
From: comulada at verizon.net (Anthony Comulada)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:21:56 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] box
In-Reply-To: <4D18B3EC.7000003@arrl.net>
References: <4D18B3EC.7000003@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <4E3C8F5A-6BF9-4BA7-A141-7F9A008CFBEE@verizon.net>

Wasn't me that's for sure.... :0)

Anthony
KB3RJH

On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Andy Leeds <wo3l at arrl.net> wrote:

> 
> While dropping off the recycling I came across a TS-590 box (sorry no 
> radio inside but I did look). So the question is who found the 590 under 
> the tree?
> 
> Andy
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From wo3l at comcast.net  Tue Dec 28 16:42:39 2010
From: wo3l at comcast.net (Andy Leeds)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:42:39 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] 145.41 Maint
Message-ID: <4D1A59CF.8050203@comcast.net>


Steve and I made a trip up to the repeater site this afternoon and 
worked on isolating the de-sense that's been acting up lately (for those 
that remember the history we've had some little de-sense as long as we 
have had this repeater).

This morning I found that with the transmitter off I could hold the 
squelch open at -117dBm. With the transmitter on I had to provide -82dBm 
of input signal to hold open the squelch.

We tightened up some cables, adapters, jumpers, etc and things seemed to 
clear up a lot  we were back to our 1dB of normal de-sense.

We poked around a bit and checked insertion loss on the duplexer which 
was OK, and the receiver to transmitter isolation estimated at 100dB but 
I couldn't get an accurate measurement since it was down in the noise 
floor of the test equipment (good answer).

We tried adding a pass/reject can I had into the system to see if we 
could clean out that last little de-sense but placing that can on the 
exciter caused the repeater to spur badly, and putting it on the PA 
didn't help the problem (unless we de-tuned it enough to cut the overall 
output down to 3W or so). That came out of the mix and we put it all 
back together. During this experiment we did notice that the power 
control circuit was coming loose so it got new connectors soldered on.

Current power out of the duplexer is 64 W, with no measured reflected 
power, so the antenna is still good as far as SWR is concerned.

Since we were up there we also attacked the link COS logic from 2m to 
70cm and made a mod so the link logic now pulls both COS and CTSSS lines 
low on UHF so the UHF repeater will always pass link signals regardless 
of the PL mode. We looked at the other direction but after a brief 
experiment we left it alone (so if the link is on any signal on 70cm 
will get sent to 2m even if it does not have a tone on it) since I think 
a few diodes are required to hook all of those things together correctly.

I've left the link up for now just to make sure there are no odd 
behaviors over the next few hours and will let the controller turn it 
off on its own when the next macro runs.

Andy


From wo3l at comcast.net  Thu Dec 30 21:07:17 2010
From: wo3l at comcast.net (Andy Leeds)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:07:17 -0500
Subject: [K3PZN-List] MASTR Exec-II
Message-ID: <4D1D3AD5.7090104@comcast.net>


This afternoon I stopped by the club station and picked up the (2 man 
and a boy) portable vhf station to work on the 6m radio and figure out 
why it wasn't transmitting. I was wondering if someone still had one of 
these radios that I could borrow to swap in and check the channel 
elements? Right now I'm getting no Tx out at all, only the click of the 
TR relay and that's it.

Andy

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 16:43:42 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:43:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] SKN Tonite and Tommorrow
Message-ID: <266801.85490.qm@web53906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

0000z to 2359z ... very informal.  while it brings out old rigs, newer rigs are 
fine too!  my HW16 won't be the oldest around, but it will be different.  


just make contacts, exchange as much info as they can stand.  most will want to 
converse a little.  


I think my coolest SKN contact was a guy with a one tube rig - and as the wind 
blew he needed to re-adjust it!  He sent me a QSL picture of it.  


if anyone feels they aren't ready for 'prime time' email me and I can sked with 
you early this evening or tomorrow.  


its also ok to mix SKN in with other activities, SSB, DX or whatever.  73 and 
HNY.  


Curt


      

From wb8yyy at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 21:16:26 2010
From: wb8yyy at yahoo.com (Curt Milton)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:16:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [K3PZN-List] SKN Tonite and Tommorrow
In-Reply-To: <266801.85490.qm@web53906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <266801.85490.qm@web53906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <897637.77768.qm@web53904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

After some casual DXing earlier today, SKN is alive and well.  Lots of QRS CW.  
I have made a couple friendly QSO's - one just a few miles and one back to Ohio 
... plan to be back tommorrow on the brass key with the glowing tubes.  


HNY Curt





----- Original Message ----
From: Curt Milton <wb8yyy at yahoo.com>
To: Carroll County Amateur Radio Club <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 4:43:42 PM
Subject: [K3PZN-List] SKN Tonite and Tommorrow

0000z to 2359z ... very informal.  while it brings out old rigs, newer rigs are 
fine too!  my HW16 won't be the oldest around, but it will be different.  


just make contacts, exchange as much info as they can stand.  most will want to 
converse a little.  


I think my coolest SKN contact was a guy with a one tube rig - and as the wind 
blew he needed to re-adjust it!  He sent me a QSL picture of it.  


if anyone feels they aren't ready for 'prime time' email me and I can sked with 
you early this evening or tomorrow.  


its also ok to mix SKN in with other activities, SSB, DX or whatever.  73 and 
HNY.  


Curt


      
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