[K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws

Wed Jun 6 13:46:42 EDT 2012

I will have lots of goodies! Cookies make everything alright.
On Jun 6, 2012 1:11 PM, "KB3WFV" <kb3wfv at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dennis
> Iam compelled to make some additional points.....
>
> ****The County appoints the RE.A.C.E.S. Officer. (SNIP)*
> ***They could ask the club but they may want some other licensed Amateur
> Radio operator.  Maybe someone that works in the EM’s office.*
> **
> *(KB3WFV) Thanks for the clarity ... this knowledge reinforces the need
> for CARA to maintian control of it's own equipment. Does CARA want someone
> like oh I don't know ....... another club in the county or a goverment
> employee who only has an amateur license for the purpose of a pay raise to
> contol CARA ? Enabling an individual to have sole control of CARA is a
> mistake even more so when CARA has ZERO input on who that indiviual may be.
> *
>
>
> ***CARA must be in total alignment with State Emergency Plans since we
> are on Government Property.*
>
> **
>
> *(KB3WFV) Absolutley! - There is no reason that this can not be
> accomplished with CARA in control and R.A.C.E.S. as an advisor hence the
> RO's appointment to the repeater committee. All that has to be said is
> "CARA must operate its equipment in accordance to State (and or
> County) Emergemcy Plans in order to use government property." *
>
> **
>
> *C**onsider how a Volunteeer Fire Dept works , They have a Board of
> directors and a Fire Chief. The Fire dept association owns equipment and
> facilities to provide emergency services to the County. The Fire Chief is
> the liason between the county and the Fire Dept to ensure that the Fire
> dept's actions follow county and state regulations. The Fire dept can do
> what it wants when it wants with it's property. R.A.C.E.S need to act as
> the liason between the county and CARA to ensure that CARA conforms to the
> needs of the County. It is the only way that an individual who in not
> dictated by CARA members can function with in the club. Remember that
> a R.A.C.E.S. person could be someon that has nothing to do with CARA.*
>
> **
>
> *Dennis you and I could spend days discusssing this after all we are
> Hams... we are licensed to talk. Utlimately the decsion is up to the voting
> membership of CARA. *
>
> **
>
> *73 *
>
> *Brian*
>
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 6/6/12, Dennis N3QHC <n3qhc at verizon.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dennis N3QHC <n3qhc at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws
> To: "'Calvert Amateur Radio Association - K3CAL'" <k3cal at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2012, 4:07 AM
>
>   Brian & others…from Dennis
>
> Dennis
>
>     Some good points, nice to see the concern for having things right. I
> have added thoughts of my own to your comments below.
>
> First let me thank Jim K3UGA, Shawn N3AE, Ron WA4PRR, Bill N3XMZ and John
> KB3SXC for their work. Nice job guys I have some points that need
> clarification and correction and I am sure other members do as well.  I
> will bring my notes on it to Thursday’s meeting. In the mean time I am off
> in search of the finest cookies available in Calvert County.
>
> Comments follow
>
> 73
>
> Brian
>
> KB3WFV
>
>
>
>  *Comments on Dennis' email below*
>
>
>
> *“……..There is no such thing as the CARA RACES Officer for Calvert
> County.  There is a R.A.C.E.S Officer of Calvert County appointed by the
> County…….”*
>
>
>
> (KB3WFV) I would agree that there is no such thing as a CARA RACES Officer
> ….
>
> Isn’t the R.A.C.E.S Officer approved not "appointed" by the County” ?
>
> ****The County appoints the RE.A.C.E.S. Officer.*
>
> Didn’t the CARA nominate the current R.A.C.E.S. Officer who needed the
> “approval” of the County after the last R.A.C.E.S. Officer resigned?
>
>
> ****CARA may have nominated the RO but that is not necessary.  There
> could be more than one club in the County that may want input who the RO is
> going to be.  The County uses our advice but is not bound by any suggested
> person we would like to be RO.*
>
> If the R.A.C.E.S. Officer is indeed “appointed” by the County,
>
> By what office or department?   **EM
>
> By what standards or process
>
> ***I doubt if there is a standard or process.  Probably they want someone
> they can work with.*
>
> Where does the County choose it’s appointments from ?
>
> ***They could ask the club but they may want some other licensed Amateur
> Radio operator.  Maybe someone that works in the EM’s office.*
>
> Important facts to know if final approval and disapproval of CARA
> equipment is to be given to “One” individual
>
>
>
> * “…….Since CARA is the steward of equipment on County property and CARA
> benefits by having use of the building for radio equipment and tower, the
> R.A.C.E.S Officer should have final APPROVAL over any actions, agreements
> and etc. CARA enters into………….”  *
>
>
>
> (KB3WFV) Consider this …. R.A.C.E.S. Officer has the final approval and
> disapproval on matters relating to R.A.C.E.S. equipment IE: equipment in
> the EOC.
>
>
>
> *“....CARA is on(e) County Property for one reason and that reason is
> R.A.C.E.S………”*
>
>
>
> (KB3WFV) Right CARA is on County Property. In exchange for the use of
> County Property to support CARA equipment and use for CARA meetings and
> functions, CARA purchases, installs, maintains and repairs equipment
> (at CARA’s expense) that R.A.C.E.S  can use for emergency communications
> when activated by the County in the event of an emergency.
>
> If the R.A.C.E.S. Officer is to have the final say on what happens with
> CARA equipment then the County needs to purchase the equipment from CARA
> and absorb all cost related to its repair and maintenance, Expect this
> equipment to be poorly maintained much like the R.A.C.E.S equipment
> currently at the EOC.
>
> ***This is way it is.  I agree the County should have total ownership of
> all property but they do not.  But we are still on their property with the
> unwritten expectation the hams will provide EmComm if the County asks.  We
> benefit otherwise being on a 300-ft tower and use of their room,
> electricity and etc.*
>
> CARA can operate and maintain equipment of back up communication for
> Calvert  County R.A.C.E.S. Officers far cheaper and move quicker on repairs
> such as fire board interference and coax replacement (when not interfered
> with)  than the County can or ever will. It is a pretty sweet deal for the
> County in exchange for just a few square feet of space. CARA benefits from
> the use of space. The County and R.A.C.E.S. benefit from the use of back-up
> emergency communications equipment.
>
>
>
> The ONLY time that a R.A.C.E.S. Officer has final say on the use of CARA
> equipment is
>
> when R.A.C.E.S. is activated by the government in times of an emergency.
> Period!
>
> ***CARA must be in total alignment with State Emergency Plans since we
> are on Government Property.*
>
>
>
> R.A.C.E.S. may have input (not final say) to ensure the function of the
> CARA equipment can allow R.A.C.E.S. to support the needs of the County in
> emergency communication. If CARA becomes unable to support emergency
> communications for the County it would ultimately threaten CARA's use of
> County property. IE:CARA no longer maintains a working repeater so CARA no
> longer gets the use of County property.
>
> ***Basically YES – if CARA decided to go away I am quite sure the County
> now would be happy.  Currently it is a weird relationship.  If we went away
> then the County would tell the State there is no one interested in
> R.A.C.E.S. and wash their hands.  However, as long as we exist then the
> County needs to show interest in us – not that they actually need to
> anything.  Quite sure they like to make a few thousand dollars for the
> space our antennas take on the MHCC Tower but as long as there is a
> R.A.C.E.S. group they cannot make changes without a fire storm of
> complaints.*
>
>
>
> CARA can and should do what it wants with CARA equipment. Links can be
> added, features used or turned on. So long as when R.A.C.E.S is activated
> the equipment can configure in such a way that allows R.A.C.E.S  to meet
> the County’s emergency communication needs in the event of an emergency.
>
>
>
> *Giving ONE individual “Final” approval or disapproval over CARA actions
> is a HUGE mistake. CARA’s actions are decided by it’s members and ONLY it’s
> members …… that’s the right way to run an association.*
>
> * *
>
> *I hear what you are saying and agree 98%.  But in reality, CARA is on
> Government Property because of R.A.C.E.S. which makes this an odd
> relationship. *
>
> * If one wants a club to have 100% powers then starts a new organization
> that is NOT on Government Property.**  Issue Solved!*
>
> See ya Thursday Dennis
>
> -- Brian
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 6/5/12, Dennis N3QHC <n3qhc at verizon.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dennis N3QHC <n3qhc at verizon.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >
> Subject: Re: [K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws
> To: "'Calvert Amateur Radio Association - K3CAL'" <k3cal at mailman.qth.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 7:24 PM
>
> Bob and others > see attached file for comments...Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k3cal-bounces at mailman.qth.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> [mailto:k3cal-bounces at mailman.qth.net]<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=[mailto:[email protected]]>
> On Behalf Of Bob Sheskin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:21 AM
> To: k3cal at mailman.qth.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> Subject: [K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws
>
> Thanks to the hard work of the Constitution and By-law committee we have
> fresh new documents which are attached to this email. These documents are
> proposed and not yet ratified until voted in. These are being sent out for
> you to review so you can discuss any issues you may have at the next
> meeting, this Thursday. These are private association documents and are not
> intended for public disclosure at this time. Please do not share these
> documents or any part of them with any other people.
> We all owe the committee a great big THANK YOU as they have spent many
> hours
> working on these and getting them ready so quickly. Thank you to Jim K3UGA,
> Shawn N3AE, Ron WA4PRR, Bill N3XMZ and John KB3SXC for giving their time to
> the advancement of the association.
>
>
> 73,
> Bob N3PPH
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
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> *From:* k3cal-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> k3cal-bounces at mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *KB3WFV
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:10 AM
> *To:* Calvert Amateur Radio Association - K3CAL
> *Subject:* Re: [K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>     Some good points, nice to see the concern for having things right. I
> have added thoughts of my own to your comments below.
>
> First let me thank Jim K3UGA, Shawn N3AE, Ron WA4PRR, Bill N3XMZ and John
> KB3SXC for their work. Nice job guys I have some points that need
> clarification and correction and I am sure other members do as well.  I
> will bring my notes on it to Thursday’s meeting. In the mean time I am off
> in search of the finest cookies available in Calvert County.
>
> Comments follow
>
> 73
>
> Brian
>
> KB3WFV
>
>
>
>  *Comments on Dennis' email below*
>
>
>
> *“……..There is no such thing as the CARA RACES Officer for Calvert
> County.  There is a R.A.C.E.S Officer of Calvert County appointed by the
> County…….”*
>
>
>
> (KB3WFV) I would agree that there is no such thing as a CARA RACES Officer
> ….
>
> Isn’t the R.A.C.E.S Officer approved not "appointed" by the County” ?
>
> Didn’t the CARA nominate the current R.A.C.E.S. Officer who needed the
> “approval” of the County after the last R.A.C.E.S. Officer resigned?
>
> If the R.A.C.E.S. Officer is indeed “appointed” by the County,
>
> By what office or department?
>
> By what standards or process?
>
> Where does the County choose it’s appointments from ?
>
> Important facts to know if final approval and disapproval of CARA
> equipment is to be given to “One” individual
>
>
>
> * “…….Since CARA is the steward of equipment on County property and CARA
> benefits by having use of the building for radio equipment and tower, the
> R.A.C.E.S Officer should have final APPROVAL over any actions, agreements
> and etc. CARA enters into………….”  *
>
>
>
> (KB3WFV) Consider this …. R.A.C.E.S. Officer has the final approval and
> disapproval on matters relating to R.A.C.E.S. equipment IE: equipment in
> the EOC.
>
>
>
> *“....CARA is on(e) County Property for one reason and that reason is
> R.A.C.E.S………”*
>
>
>
> (KB3WFV) Right CARA is on County Property. In exchange for the use of
> County Property to support CARA equipment and use for CARA meetings and
> functions, CARA purchases, installs, maintains and repairs equipment
> (at CARA’s expense) that R.A.C.E.S  can use for emergency communications
> when activated by the County in the event of an emergency.
>
> If the R.A.C.E.S. Officer is to have the final say on what happens with
> CARA equipment then the County needs to purchase the equipment from CARA
> and absorb all cost related to its repair and maintenance, Expect this
> equipment to be poorly maintained much like the R.A.C.E.S equipment
> currently at the EOC.
>
>
>
> CARA can operate and maintain equipment of back up communication for
> Calvert  County R.A.C.E.S. Officers far cheaper and move quicker on repairs
> such as fire board interference and coax replacement (when not interfered
> with)  than the County can or ever will. It is a pretty sweet deal for the
> County in exchange for just a few square feet of space. CARA benefits from
> the use of space. The County and R.A.C.E.S. benefit from the use of back-up
> emergency communications equipment.
>
>
>
> The ONLY time that a R.A.C.E.S. Officer has final say on the use of CARA
> equipment is
>
> when R.A.C.E.S. is activated by the government in times of an emergency.
> Period!
>
>
>
> R.A.C.E.S. may have input (not final say) to ensure the function of the
> CARA equipment can allow R.A.C.E.S. to support the needs of the County in
> emergency communication. If CARA becomes unable to support emergency
> communications for the County it would ultimately threaten CARA's use of
> County property. IE:CARA no longer maintains a working repeater so CARA no
> longer gets the use of County property.
>
>
>
> CARA can and should do what it wants with CARA equipment. Links can be
> added, features used or turned on. So long as when R.A.C.E.S is activated
> the equipment can configure in such a way that allows R.A.C.E.S  to meet
> the County’s emergency communication needs in the event of an emergency.
>
>
>
> *Giving ONE individual “Final” approval or disapproval over CARA actions
> is a HUGE mistake. CARA’s actions are decided by it’s members and ONLY it’s
> members …… that’s the right way to run an association.*
>
>
>
> See ya Thursday Dennis
>
> -- Brian
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 6/5/12, Dennis N3QHC <n3qhc at verizon.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dennis N3QHC <n3qhc at verizon.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >
> Subject: Re: [K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws
> To: "'Calvert Amateur Radio Association - K3CAL'" <k3cal at mailman.qth.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 7:24 PM
>
> Bob and others > see attached file for comments...Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k3cal-bounces at mailman.qth.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> [mailto:k3cal-bounces at mailman.qth.net]<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=[mailto:[email protected]]>
> On Behalf Of Bob Sheskin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:21 AM
> To: k3cal at mailman.qth.net<http://us.mc1225.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> Subject: [K3CAL] Proposed Constitution and By-laws
>
> Thanks to the hard work of the Constitution and By-law committee we have
> fresh new documents which are attached to this email. These documents are
> proposed and not yet ratified until voted in. These are being sent out for
> you to review so you can discuss any issues you may have at the next
> meeting, this Thursday. These are private association documents and are not
> intended for public disclosure at this time. Please do not share these
> documents or any part of them with any other people.
> We all owe the committee a great big THANK YOU as they have spent many
> hours
> working on these and getting them ready so quickly. Thank you to Jim K3UGA,
> Shawn N3AE, Ron WA4PRR, Bill N3XMZ and John KB3SXC for giving their time to
> the advancement of the association.
>
>
> 73,
> Bob N3PPH
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
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