[InHam] [IndyHamRadio] Re: [Inares] Fw: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
Joe Montano
n9vmo at comcast.net
Wed Apr 25 12:52:00 EDT 2012
I am also one that cannot see the reason for all of this. We have a
perfectly good license plate that announces to the world that the
car that the plate is attached to belongs to an amateur radio
operator, I don't see the reason to have a gaudy, multi-colored
thing like some that I see out there.
Personally I think that there are other more important issues that
our state legislators need to address before they go trying to
change something that doesn't need to be changed.
I will also add that I no longer get my call sign on my plate
because the only time I did have it on there, my car was broken into
and my radio was stolen. If you want to advertise to the world that
you are an amateur radio operator, fine, have at it. I for one
think that the antenna farm on the back of my car is advertisement
enough.
Joe
N9VMO
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Subject: Re: [InHam] [IndyHamRadio] Re: [Inares] Fw: RE: Amateur
Radio Plates
David
Thanks for the information, and put me down as one Indiana ham that
is happy with his $8.00 Amateur Radio plate. I do not want to pay
more than that for a new plate, I'd prefer to pay less, but that's
just how I operate...I'm a QRPer. <heheh>
Frankly if the cost of a Amateur Radio plate were to go up, I would
probably just forget about it. I can always get some of those stick
on letters and put it on my bumper.
Thanks for your work with the Indiana State Legislature, I
appreciate it.
73 de KB9BVN
Brian Murrey
On 4/25/2012 2:29 AM, David Spoelstra wrote:
> I can speak to this a little since I have been the Indiana ARRL
SGL
> for many years and have talked to numerous legislators and the BMV
> about this.
>
> "Every Tom, Dick and Harry in this state has some special license
> plate". Absolutely true, and every Tom, Dick, and Harry pay an
extra
> $40 per plate per year for the privilege of having that special
> license plate (some plates a few dollars more and some a few
dollars
> less).
>
> However, many years ago we did push through a special deal from
the
> Indiana government. In Indiana, you can get callsign plates for
just
> $8! http://www.in.gov/bmv/2406.htm That is *way* lower than any
> other state. Before we got this deal, we used to have to order a
> vanity plate and it cost us $48!
>
> OK, so you're still not happy and want a plate with a special
amateur
> radio seal on it? OK, it's a simple matter of economics! To get
a
> specialty plate a club or organization must pay in advance for
5,000
> blank plates with the specialty seal to be made (they get a kick
back
> as the plates are sold). Even after that if you don't sell at
least
> 1,000 a year, the BMV will drop your organization because it's not
> worth their time. About 6 years ago I had the BMV run a search on
the
> current number of $8 amateur radio callsign plates. Guess what?
> There were less than 1,000 amateurs statewide taking advantage of
our
> current callsign plates! I won't even go into the issue that most
> amateurs can't seem to agree on anything and some brave soul/group
> would need to come up with a amateur radio license plate design
and
> seal and then take the heat because someone else wanted a tower on
the
> design or an FT-9000 or the ARRL logo, etc, etc. I can just guess
> about the email going back and forth in Illinois about the
"Amateur
> Radio" versus "Ham Radio" wording on the current plates.
>
> OK, so you're *still* not happy and you want to rouse the troops
and
> get a special, free plate made. When I passed PRB-1 to protect
our
> rights statewide to have antennas I tried to rouse the troops too.
I
> polled the legislators to get an idea of how many hams bothered to
> send an email to their representative. My count was a whopping
> 120-150 across ALL the legislators and unfortunately about 10% of
> those threatened physical harm if they did not vote for the bill!
I
> learned my lesson and have never done that again. Now I have
trusted
> individuals send specific emails when I need support to pass or
kill a
> bill.
>
> So, I would currently rather save our political capital to kill or
> pass bills that directly affect our ability to operate like the
ones I
> killed that would have made it illegal to use a mobile rig this
past
> session.
>
> I'll leave you with some thoughts:
>
> 1. If you are willing to purchase the 5,000 blank amateur radio
> plates that's wonderful! But be prepared for all the hate mail
and
> threats you get from the current people who pay $8 for amateur
radio
> plates and now have to pay $40. Also be prepared for the hate
mail
> and threats because they didn't like your design or the wording.
>
> 2. If you want to pursue this with your legislators, that's
wonderful
> too! But be aware that might cause some of them to look at the
> numbers on the current plates and decide that they should lump the
> current amateur radio plates with the other organizations that buy
> less than 1,000 plates and then kill off the current plates. In
that
> case, as above, be prepared for all the hate mail and threats.
>
> 3. If you can get enough people to email me that they support
this
> effort and want me to pursue it and would be willing to call and
email
> their legislators with well thought out remarks and not threaten
them,
> then as your ARRL representative I'll go for it! Currently I get
0-2
> emails a year about this. Yours is the first in two years. I get
> about 100 a year on HOA CC&Rs.
>
> Lastly, if you think you can do better than me as the Indiana ARRL
> SGL, then go for it! Just be aware that on good years with almost
> nothing to do I spend 300-400 hours doing this job watching the
bills,
> talking to legislators, visiting the statehouse, and answering the
> hate mail I get for not making anything happen about HOA CC&Rs,
making
> amateur radio the state hobby, etc, etc. This can be quite a
> thankless job...
>
> Thanks!
> -David, N9KT
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Paul Webster<ka9jwx at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is intended for Indiana Amateur Radio Ops& Indiana elected
officials, especially the legislators, but Amateur Radio ops in
other states may find this interesting in that WB9OMC mentions the
fact that HomeLand Security is taking a real interest in the Amateur
Radio Service, hence Duane's argument for the new Amateur Radio
License plate.
>> PLW
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> To: ka9jwx at yahoo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:33 AM
>> Subject: Fw: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>>
>> Hi OM. I have been after my State Senator Ron Alting for YEARS
>> (evidence attached
>> below) to move on getting Amateur Radio Operators a special
license
>> plate that would be clearly marked as such. As you might think
when
>> you read the emails below, the obfuscation on this leads me to
think
>> he will do nothing. Take a look at what I have written and if
you
>> think the reasoning is sound, perhaps you can get your state guys
up in the NW region to start something.
>>
>> Please feel free to mention that State Senator Alting has been
>> sitting on this since
>> 2009 or whatever is at the bottom of the attached stuff below.
:-)
>> I don't know that he would be too happy to see his emails "quoted
>> around" but perhaps if you get some action from your guys up that
way and they prod him a bit he'll get off his ass and
>> actually DO something. :-) I really don't give a crap WHO
writes the legislation or
>> whatever they need to do, I just want to see something actually
>> HAPPEN. Alting can support it or not - and if he does NOT, I'll
be
>> working on kicking his butt out of office.
>>
>> Every Tom, Dick and Harry in this state has some special license
>> plate whether they actually do a damn thing to help anybody or
not.
>> Considering the new Uncle Sam moves that would potentially tie
>> Amateur Radio in with Homeland Security; considering all that we
have done and been recognized for in the past; I feel like our time
has come.
>>
>> I'd like to see this thing spread to be a statewide movement. If
>> what we need to prod some elected people to do their jobs is some
>> publicity and mounted pressure, I'm all for it.
>>
>> TNX and best 73
>> Duane
>> WB9OMC
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: ralting at iga.in.gov
>> Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 7:19 AM
>>
>> UPDATE: As you may be aware, the U.S. House and Senate recently
>> passed a Middle Class Tax Relief Act of 2012 (or something close
to
>> that name). President Obama You might want to take a look at
section
>> 6414 of that Legislation, which puts some matters regarding
Amateur
>> Radio into the hands (or at least headed in that direction) of
Homeland Security.
>>
>> This means that it is VERY likely that our Hoosier Amateurs will
be
>> playing a much greater role in Public Service
>> communications...........and the need for a more clearly
identifying license plate will be greater than ever.
>>
>> I continue to see all manner of the special plates; it would
appear
>> that *someone* is suceeding in getting them through. Yet our
state's
>> Amateur Radio operators remain without a clearly identified
plate.
>>
>> The word WILL be spreading and is bound to be placed into the
hands
>> of any and all possible State elected officials. Will you join
with them to move this forward?
>>
>> Duane Mantick
>> WB9OMC
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/26/12, Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: ralting at iga.in.gov
>> Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 9:53 PM
>>
>> Thought I'd get in touch with you on this. I have seen a TON of
new
>> plates on cars so it seems like perhaps it isn't as difficult as
we thought????
>>
>> Duane Mantick
>> WB9OMC
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: "Ron Alting"<ralting at iga.in.gov>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 3:22 AM
>>
>> Missed comunication, apparently - I was under the impression that
you
>> were going to contact me when you thought the time was right to
>> pursue it. Well, see you in a few months, I guess.............
>>
>> Duane Mantick
>> WB9OMC
>>
>> --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Ron Alting<ralting at iga.in.gov> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Ron Alting<ralting at iga.in.gov>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: "'Duane Mantick'"<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 4:33 PM
>>
>> Mr. Mantick,
>> Session is winding down and new legislation cannot be introduced
at this late date. I believe my 2/3/10 email below mentioned that
we would need to hear from you by November 2010 to get a bill ready
for this session. So, this upcoming November would be the time to
start drafting bills for the 2012 session.
>>
>> So sorry, if there was a misunderstanding.
>>
>> Ron Alting
>> State Senator
>> 200 W. Washington Street | Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
>> P: 317.232.9517 | www.in.gov/legislative
>>
>> From: Duane Mantick [mailto:wb9omc at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:27 PM
>> To: Ron Alting
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>>
>> Wondered if the timing on the Indiana Amateur Radio license plate
>> idea was now correct to see what could be done? I have been
seeing a
>> boatload of new (at least, I haven't seen them until recently)
plates
>> that - if anyone wants to make an argument about "frivolous" -
seem to me to be far more of a "vanity".
>>
>> Drop me a line so we can see where to go with this.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Duane Mantick, WB9OMC
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: "Ron Alting"<ralting at iga.in.gov>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 9:15 PM It helps to actually attach
the
>> image.........sorrry...........
>>
>> Duane
>> p.s. I voted for ya :-)
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Duane Mantick<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: "Ron Alting"<ralting at iga.in.gov>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 9:00 PM Just to stay in touch and
alos
>> as a point of reference, attached is a photo of the Amateur
License
>> plate for our neighbors to the west in Illinois. Note that I am
told
>> they are pushing to have the wording on the left changed from
"Ham
>> Radio" to "Amateur Radio", as they feel it has fewer negative
>> connotations from old stereotypes. I am totally in agreement
with that.
>>
>> Duane Mantick
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Ron Alting<ralting at iga.in.gov> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Ron Alting<ralting at iga.in.gov>
>> Subject: RE: Amateur Radio Plates
>> To: "'Duane Mantick'"<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 10:43 AM Duane,
>>
>> New legislation cannot be introduced until 1-1-2011. I would be
happy to start working with you on this in November, 2010. Please
contact me then.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron Alting
>> State Senator
>> 200 W. Washington Street
>> Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
>> 317.232.9517
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Duane Mantick [mailto:wb9omc at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:53 PM
>> To: Ron Alting
>> Subject: Re: Amateur Radio Plates
>>
>> Sen. Alting; Obviously, I am disappointed but not totally
surprised. Please advise on the time frame for the beginning of the
next session.
>>
>> Also, we had discussed mobilizing the state's Amateur Operators
to also work with *their* various state representatives so that you
will have some additional support for whatever action up to and
including legislation. Given that we apparently have some time to
work with, should we work on a timetable to begin rounding up that
support?
>>
>> While I have no hard data to back this up, my guess is that
Indiana's Amateurs would overwhelmingly support such a move. Based
upon my original premise that a clear identification of an Amateur
Radio vehicle to emergency personnel/law enforcement would be of
value when we hams do our public service work would be desireable, I
suspect that those folks would support it as well. Many Amateur
groups have very good working relationships with their area EMA's
and others and thus may be able to garner support there as well.
>>
>> I will take my cues from you on this - just let me know. Once I
let the word out 'in the wild' so to speak, it will probably spread
like wildfire from one end of the state to the other. My guess is
that a release that is too premature will not be desireable, hence
my desire to see if you have an idea of a good timetable.
>>
>> Amusing thought for the day: I have a picture in my head of a
photo of the two of us holding the first such plate and installing
it on my car....
>> :-) :-)
>>
>> I will look forward to continuing this effort with you, and I
appreciate the time you and your staff put into it.
>>
>> In Amateur Radio, we close most communications by wishing our
fellow amateur "73" which is much like the word "Aloha" is used in
Hawaii.
>>
>> 73 and best wishes for a happy holiday season Duane Mantick
WB9OMC
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Ron Alting<ralting at iga.in.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Ron Alting<ralting at iga.in.gov>
>>> Subject: Amateur Radio Plates
>>> To: "'Duane Mantick'"<wb9omc at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:32 PM Duane,
>>>
>>> After speaking with our attorneys and the BMV it is just not
>>> plausible to introduce legislation to alter the look of the
plate at
>>> this time in a short session with a bad economy and a tight
budget.
>>> This would indeed have a fiscal impact and based on that fact
alone,
>>> such legislation would be dead-on-arrival. Especially
considering
>>> the fact that arrangements for another plate are already in
place.
>>>
>>> Regardless, I understand your cause and am willing to produce a
>>> draft to introduce next session when there is a chance that it
will
>>> pass. I appreciate your understanding and look forward to
working
>>> on this with you next session.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance in the
>>> meantime.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Ron Alting
>>> State Senator
>>> 200 W. Washington Street
>>> Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
>>> 317.232.9517
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73/75 de ka9jwx, Paul Lewis Webster
>> SKCC #5322
>> John 3:16
>> Long:-87.334L (-87*20'3"W)
>> Lat:41.4967N (41*29'48"N)
>> EN61HL
>> Merrillville, Indiana, 46410-3503, USA
>> ;-)
>>
>>
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