[ILQSO] ILQSO Digest, Vol 102, Issue 2
Jim Funk
jfunk at fossna.com
Sat Oct 4 17:42:50 EDT 2014
Fun is the idea. I suggested cw because qrp phone is a tough row to hoe. But if you have a decent antenna you will do ok .
Not sure how much digital action you will scare up but certainly some.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:26 PM, "Steven KA9MOT" <ka9mot at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> At this point only Phone...that said, I am seriously considering building a
> digital interface and operating some PSK-31 and if I can figure out the
> details of Hell, trying that out for the fun of it. :)
>
> Steve KA9MOT
>
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Jim Funk <jfunk at fossna.com> wrote:
>>
>> Steven are you planning both phone and cw? On that corner you will be
>> VERY popular.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:19 AM, "Steven KA9MOT" <ka9mot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info Hank,
>>>
>>> I am going to talk to the property owner on Tuesday (I'll be in that
>> area)
>>> and see if they will allow us to play in their yard. :)
>>>
>>> Digital Modes.... I hadn't considered that and haven't ever worked
>> Hell...
>>> Maybe I'll build an interface for the Kenwood and give it a try, if I can
>>> find an affordable small converter to power my laptop. I could use it for
>>> logging as well. Thanks for the idea! I'll have to Google up the
>>> frequencies Hell is usually used.
>>>
>>> The plan is to bring 4 car batteries and keep the power low and switch
>> the
>>> batteries out as the need presents itself.
>>>
>>> Steve KA9MOT
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Hank Greeb <n8xx at arrl.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> According to MARAC, one should be as close to the corner as safety
>>>> permits, typically within 600 feet of the corner.
>>>>
>>>> I was about 300 feet from the corner in one four corner spot, and about
>>>> 200 feet from the corner of another four corner spot.
>>>>
>>>> there was a high tension 60 cycle line along both of the roads which
>>>> intersected at the four corner site, so it would be very, very hazardous
>>>> for the antenna to cross the road.
>>>>
>>>> Common sense must be the guide in all such situations.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad to see a QRP category. When I ventured into Illinois I don't
>>>> recall such a category.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I can't make it this year. I'll be in Hell (Michigan) on October
>>>> 18, running Hellschreiber (Feld Hell) as W1AW/8 - fire up your favorite
>>>> data mode software, choose Feld Hell as operating mode, and give us a
>>>> buzz. We'll try to be on all bands, probably not simultaneously, but at
>>>> least an hour on each band from 80 to 10 meters, including the WARC
>> bands.
>>>>
>>>> 72/73 de n8xx hg
>>>> QRP >99.44% of the tiem
>>>> Except we'll be using 100 watts as W1AW/8 from Hell :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/2014 10:42 PM, Steven KA9MOT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice. I gather that nobody really knows for
>> sure.
>>>>> My plan was/is to set up a station on the property that is right on the
>>>>> corner of the 3 county lines. Assuming the line is down the middle of
>> the
>>>>> road, I would only be in Henderson County and 25 feet or so from
>> McDonough
>>>>> and Warren Counties if the person who lives in the farmhouse pictured
>>>>> here:
>>>>> https://www.google.com/maps/@40.636685,-90.7889042,429m/data=!3m1!1e3
>>>>> will
>>>>> allow me to set up in the corner of the intersection (Northwest
>> corner).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm planning on running portable, off battery power and at QRP Power
>>>>> levels
>>>>> (5W) if I can do this and stay with-in the rules, and the property
>> owner
>>>>> allows.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>> Steve KA9MOT
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM, <ilqso-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Re: County Lines (Jim Funk)
>>>>>> 2. Lake County (Jim Lang)
>>>>>> 3. Grundy County (Brian S. McDaniel)
>>>>>> 4. COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Tom Pennebaker)
>>>>>> 5. Re: COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Danny Pease)
>>>>>> 6. Re: COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Fritz Bock)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:38:22 +0000
>>>>>> From: Jim Funk <jfunk at fossna.com>
>>>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>>> Message-ID: <A90D277E-958E-44D0-B71E-B91E54FD0F65 at fossna.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good points. Look for a culvert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be very leery of stringing an antenna that crosses a public
>>>>>>> road,
>>>>>>> many risks involved. Since there is an intersection of roads, there
>> is
>>>>>>> likely overhead power lines, plus the traffic issue. IF power lines
>> are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an issue and IF you can get the antenna as high as or even higher
>> than
>>>>>> power
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lines normally are, you might get by with it, once it was up, but
>> even
>>>>>>> getting it up could be dangerous. Even running a radial laying
>> across a
>>>>>> road
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could be disastrous if a passing vehicle manage to catch hold of it.
>> You
>>>>>> may
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> look for a steel culvert and attach some part of the antenna system
>> to
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NG9R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>>>>> Funk
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve, I will take a stab at this since you asked....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From DeLorme, it seems obvious that there is such a county corner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There appears to be access to said corner by car as the corner is at
>> the
>>>>>>> intersection of 2100E and CR 2400 N.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I were you, I would set up as close to the intersection as
>> possible
>>>>>>> (SAFETY CONSIDERED) and string a portion of an antenna (could be a
>>>>>>> counterpoise or overhead dipole) in such a manner that the "station"
>>>>>>> (including antennas) is actually in all three counties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that would meet the letter and the spirit of the event
>> rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73, Jim N9JF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Steven
>>>>>>> KA9MOT
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:22 AM
>>>>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party
>>>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am seriously considering setting up a Portable station on the
>>>>>> Henderson,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> McDonough and Warren County lines this year, if I can get permission
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the property line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is, how far (in feet) can you be away from the actual
>> line,
>>>>>>> before you are no longer considered to be on the County Line?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your time,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve KA9MOT
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>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:15:21 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Jim Lang" <jimlang at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] Lake County
>>>>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be set up at home in Lake County.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim / KD9GY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:24:30 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Brian S. McDaniel" <bsm60403 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] Grundy County
>>>>>> Message-ID: <542EE9DE.1050807 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Rainbow Council Boy Scouts will be on the air for Jamboree on the
>>>>>> Air on the same day as the Illinois QSO Party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look for K9RSR on 80/40/20/10 from EN51th. Hope to work you all.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian McDaniel
>>>>>> KC4LMD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:55:34 -0500
>>>>>> From: Tom Pennebaker <n4rs at iamotelephone.com>
>>>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>>> Message-ID: <542EFF36.1050105 at iamotelephone.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>>>> county lines in the rules.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>>>>>> Awards Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they
>> issued
>>>>>> the following rules for county lines: *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside
>> a
>>>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a
>> cattle
>>>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>>>>> be used.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both
>> counties.
>>>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ************
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:09:06 -0500
>>>>>> From: "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net>
>>>>>> To: "'Illinois QSO Party'" <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it
>> might
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the
>> same
>>>>>> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties
>>>>>> at a
>>>>>> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what
>> is
>>>>>> close enough for the sake of safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we
>> ought
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little
>> clearer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when
>> using a
>>>>>> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require
>> you
>>>>>> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NG9R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>>>> Pennebaker
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
>>>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>>>
>>>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>>>> county
>>>>>> lines in the rules.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>> Awards
>>>>>> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
>>>>>> following rules for county lines: *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside
>> a
>>>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a
>> cattle
>>>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>>>>> be used.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both
>> counties.
>>>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ************
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:51:10 -0500
>>>>>> From: Fritz Bock <wd9fmb at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CAH9akk1PkjgR050birVieNHD7JmXpY=o23Z-Ru0JGmv-mRO_=
>>>>>> g at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the IL QSO FAQ's do a great job on answering the question of a
>>>>>> county corner...nice and simple.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q: I want to operate from a three or four county corner. I think I
>> know
>>>>>> the exact location of the corner (from a map or posted signs), but how
>>>>>> close do I have to park to this spot to qualify?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *A: The traditional answer to this has been: ?As close as possible,
>>>>>> keeping
>>>>>> safety uppermost in mind.? To claim three or four counties, the
>> operator
>>>>>> should 1) As nearly as possible, locate the exact corner; 2) Find a
>> safe
>>>>>> spot as close as possible to the corner to set up the station; 3)
>> Obtain
>>>>>> permission from land-owners if at all possible; 4) Arrange portions of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> antenna system to be physically placed in all three (or four)
>> counties if
>>>>>> possible.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fritz Bock
>>>>>> WD9FMB
>>>>>> 309-256-2297
>>>>>> IL ARES District 7, DEC
>>>>>> Peoria County ARES EC
>>>>>> www.peoriacountyares.org
>>>>>> www.W9UVI.org
>>>>>> ARRL PIO, IL Section
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Danny Pease <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
>>>>>> both
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at
>> the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it
>> might
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a
>> road
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two
>> counties
>>>>>> at a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what
>> is
>>>>>>> close enough for the sake of safety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county
>> operations
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we
>> ought
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little
>> clearer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when
>> using a
>>>>>>> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NG9R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>>>>> Pennebaker
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
>>>>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>>>>> county
>>>>>>> lines in the rules.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>>>>>>> Awards
>>>>>>> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
>>>>>>> following rules for county lines: *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of
>> the
>>>>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed
>> beside a
>>>>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a
>>>>>>> cattle
>>>>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a
>> indication
>>>>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers
>> may
>>>>>>> be used.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May
>> 2000,
>>>>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both
>>>>>>> counties.
>>>>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ************
>>>>>>>
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