[ILQSO] ILQSO Digest, Vol 102, Issue 2
Steven KA9MOT
ka9mot at gmail.com
Fri Oct 3 22:42:31 EDT 2014
Thanks for all of the advice. I gather that nobody really knows for sure.
My plan was/is to set up a station on the property that is right on the
corner of the 3 county lines. Assuming the line is down the middle of the
road, I would only be in Henderson County and 25 feet or so from McDonough
and Warren Counties if the person who lives in the farmhouse pictured here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.636685,-90.7889042,429m/data=!3m1!1e3 will
allow me to set up in the corner of the intersection (Northwest corner).
I'm planning on running portable, off battery power and at QRP Power levels
(5W) if I can do this and stay with-in the rules, and the property owner
allows.
What do you think?
Thanks again,
Steve KA9MOT
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> 1. Re: County Lines (Jim Funk)
> 2. Lake County (Jim Lang)
> 3. Grundy County (Brian S. McDaniel)
> 4. COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Tom Pennebaker)
> 5. Re: COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Danny Pease)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:38:22 +0000
> From: Jim Funk <jfunk at fossna.com>
> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
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> Good points. Look for a culvert.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
> >
> > I would be very leery of stringing an antenna that crosses a public road,
> > many risks involved. Since there is an intersection of roads, there is
> > likely overhead power lines, plus the traffic issue. IF power lines are
> not
> > an issue and IF you can get the antenna as high as or even higher than
> power
> > lines normally are, you might get by with it, once it was up, but even
> > getting it up could be dangerous. Even running a radial laying across a
> road
> > could be disastrous if a passing vehicle manage to catch hold of it. You
> may
> > look for a steel culvert and attach some part of the antenna system to
> that.
> >
> > NG9R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Funk
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:50 AM
> > To: Illinois QSO Party
> > Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
> >
> > Steve, I will take a stab at this since you asked....
> >
> > From DeLorme, it seems obvious that there is such a county corner.
> >
> > There appears to be access to said corner by car as the corner is at the
> > intersection of 2100E and CR 2400 N.
> >
> > If I were you, I would set up as close to the intersection as possible
> > (SAFETY CONSIDERED) and string a portion of an antenna (could be a
> > counterpoise or overhead dipole) in such a manner that the "station"
> > (including antennas) is actually in all three counties.
> >
> > I believe that would meet the letter and the spirit of the event rules.
> >
> > 73, Jim N9JF
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steven
> > KA9MOT
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:22 AM
> > To: Illinois QSO Party
> > Subject: [ILQSO] County Lines
> >
> > I am seriously considering setting up a Portable station on the
> Henderson,
> > McDonough and Warren County lines this year, if I can get permission from
> > the property line.
> >
> > My question is, how far (in feet) can you be away from the actual line,
> > before you are no longer considered to be on the County Line?
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> >
> > Steve KA9MOT
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:15:21 -0500
> From: "Jim Lang" <jimlang at comcast.net>
> To: <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [ILQSO] Lake County
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> I will be set up at home in Lake County.
>
>
>
> Jim / KD9GY
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:24:30 -0500
> From: "Brian S. McDaniel" <bsm60403 at gmail.com>
> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [ILQSO] Grundy County
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> The Rainbow Council Boy Scouts will be on the air for Jamboree on the
> Air on the same day as the Illinois QSO Party.
>
> Look for K9RSR on 80/40/20/10 from EN51th. Hope to work you all.
> --
> 73,
>
> Brian McDaniel
> KC4LMD
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:55:34 -0500
> From: Tom Pennebaker <n4rs at iamotelephone.com>
> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
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> */The Rules/*
>
> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
> county lines in the rules.*
>
> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
> Awards Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued
> the following rules for county lines: *
>
> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>
> **
>
> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
> be used.*
>
> **
>
> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>
> **
>
> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>
> **
>
> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
> described boundary.*
>
> **
>
> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
> County Line can be located as described above and can be run SAFELY.*
>
> **
>
> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
> *
>
> ************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:09:06 -0500
> From: "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net>
> To: "'Illinois QSO Party'" <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy both
> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the same
> time.
>
> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it might be
> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the same
> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
> being
> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties at a
> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what is
> close enough for the sake of safety.
>
> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations from
> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we ought to
> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little clearer.
>
> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when using a
> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require you
> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>
> NG9R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Pennebaker
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>
> */The Rules/*
>
> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
> county
> lines in the rules.*
>
> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio Awards
> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
> following rules for county lines: *
>
> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>
> **
>
> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
> be used.*
>
> **
>
> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>
> **
>
> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>
> **
>
> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
> described boundary.*
>
> **
>
> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
> County Line can be located as described above and can be run SAFELY.*
>
> **
>
> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
> *
>
> ************
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:51:10 -0500
> From: Fritz Bock <wd9fmb at gmail.com>
> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
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> I think the IL QSO FAQ's do a great job on answering the question of a
> county corner...nice and simple.....
>
> Q: I want to operate from a three or four county corner. I think I know
> the exact location of the corner (from a map or posted signs), but how
> close do I have to park to this spot to qualify?
>
> *A: The traditional answer to this has been: ?As close as possible, keeping
> safety uppermost in mind.? To claim three or four counties, the operator
> should 1) As nearly as possible, locate the exact corner; 2) Find a safe
> spot as close as possible to the corner to set up the station; 3) Obtain
> permission from land-owners if at all possible; 4) Arrange portions of the
> antenna system to be physically placed in all three (or four) counties if
> possible.*
>
>
>
> Fritz Bock
> WD9FMB
> 309-256-2297
> IL ARES District 7, DEC
> Peoria County ARES EC
> www.peoriacountyares.org
> www.W9UVI.org
> ARRL PIO, IL Section
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Danny Pease <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>
> > Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
> both
> > counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the
> same
> > time.
> >
> > Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it might
> be
> > easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the same
> > time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
> > being
> > involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties
> at a
> > time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what is
> > close enough for the sake of safety.
> >
> > Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations
> from
> > going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we ought
> to
> > set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little clearer.
> >
> > MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when using a
> > GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require you
> > know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
> >
> > NG9R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> > Pennebaker
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
> > To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
> >
> > */The Rules/*
> >
> > *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
> > <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
> > county
> > lines in the rules.*
> >
> > *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio Awards
> > Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
> > following rules for county lines: *
> >
> > *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
> > geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
> > location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
> > highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
> > county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
> > gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
> > changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
> > of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
> > means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
> > be used.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
> > GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
> > accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
> > upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
> > A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
> > county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
> > water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
> > described boundary.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
> > County Line can be located as described above and can be run SAFELY.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
> > county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
> > *
> >
> > ************
> >
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