[ICOM] PRO III

Mon Mar 5 16:48:32 EST 2007

Ok,
I don't know if I got any responses to my last, because I signed off the list
for a while.
However I apologize for what I did not intend to be an insult to anyone who is
or has been in the military.  I sent the message out of frustration with all the
MARS/CAP stuff on the various lists lately.  It is my opinion that it is not
Amateur radio.  And anyone else on the list who spent as much time as I did in
Viet Nam, I am sure will agree, my comments were not entirely unfounded.
however they were inappropriate.  I will sneak back in a while when the heat is
off.
73,
Ken W7TS

>-----Original Message-----
>From: icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Ken Kinyon
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 13:38
>To: ICOM Reflector
>Subject: RE: [ICOM] PRO III
>
>
>Hi,
>Don't you guys have a MARS/CAP mailing list?   I spent enough time in the
>military to know that anything they are involved in is going to be
>mostly AFU. I
>don't need to read all this.  I am involved in Amateur radio.
>;<)
>73,
>Ken W7TS
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>[mailto:icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of David Nagel
>>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 13:25
>>To: ICOM Reflector
>>Subject: RE: [ICOM] PRO III
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Adam Farson <farson at shaw.ca> wrote: Hi Dave,
>>
>>I live "north of the border", so none of this affects me. But it seems that
>>the new NTIA specs are much more stringent than ITU-R Recommendation
>>SM328-10 (Spectra and Bandwidth of Emissions). I shall have to look into
>>this when time permits. For example: It is interesting that the IC-M802,
>>which is fully compliant with FCC Part 90 and ITU-R, is now no longer
>>NTIA-compliant.
>>
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>>My supposition as to the requirements is that NTIA has to put 2KG in a
>>1KG bag due to Congress selling off government spectrum.
>>As to NTIA being more stringent than the ITU, they can.
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>>
>>I have some additional comments:
>>
>>1. Surely, hams who are also MARS or CAP R/O's will not necessarily dispose
>>of their amateur HF transceivers, as they can still use these on the amateur
>>bands.
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>>No one has said that. I have 5 HF radios that I used for CAP. Only one
>>is currently usable and that is at 5 watts output.
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>>
>>2. I tend to agree with Mac's observation that many MARS/CAP and USCGA
>>members will "vote with their feet" on this change.
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>>They will be missed but remember they are volunteers not inducted
>>members and can come and go as they please.
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>>
>>3. Perhaps the motive is something other than spectrum refarming. To my
>>knowledge, there has not been any spectrum auction activity in the bands
>>below 30 MHz. Due to the potential impact on international allocations,
>>reassignment of HF spectrum is not all that simple.
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>>Whether or not the NTIA is still bound to enforce these requirements
>>as set by Congress
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>>
>>To get back on topic: A recent check on major dealers' used-equipment pages
>>did not turn up a single used 756Pro3.
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>>I'd still like one but can't afford one, even a used one. HI HI.
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>>
>>Cheers for now, 73,
>>Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
>>Behalf Of David Nagel
>>Sent: 05 March 2007 06:27
>>To: ICOM Reflector
>>Subject: RE: [ICOM] PRO III
>>
>>Adam;
>>
>>If you go to < https://ntc.cap.af.mil/comm/equipment/equipment.cfm > you can
>>view all the compliant radios useable in CAP and the reason for the
>>noncompliance of the formerly compliant ones.
>>.
>>Basically the change that killed ham radio in CAP was the "TX unwanted
>>emissions".
>>The new specification is: 43+10log(Px) or 5 watts = 49.98dB, 50 w = 59.98dB,
>>100 w = 63dB, 125 w = 63.9dB
>>
>>Icom specifies 40dB at 100 watts. However if you limit the TX to 5 watts the
>>radio is in compliance. The limitation is most likely of no consequence but
>>still a limitation and places the radios in the noncompliant box.
>>
>>If you are in CAP you will have to wait until next year (2008) when e are
>>scheduled to receive Motorola Micom II HF stations in quantity. Until then
>>good luck.
>>
>>Dave Nagel
>>INWG/Group North DC
>>RF 41
>>
>>
>>Adam Farson  wrote: Hi Dave,
>>
>>What was the nature of the spec change?
>>
>>Cheers for now, 73,
>>Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:icom-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
>>Behalf Of David Nagel
>>Sent: 04 March 2007 19:35
>>To: ICOM Reflector
>>Subject: Re: [ICOM] PRO III
>>
>>Bob;
>>
>>A lot of the rigs most likely were used in CAP/MARS service. A recent change
>>in specifications by NTIA removed almost all ham rigs from use by those
>>groups. About the only rig still valid is the Yeasu FT-817/ND. Then only
>>because they are 5 watt rigs.
>>
>>Dave WD9BDZ
>>
>>
>>AD5VJ  Bob  wrote: Why am I seeing so many ProIII's up
>>for sale and/or trade. Is Icom coming out with a new rig I am not aware of?
>>
>>  73 fer nw es gud DX,
>>QSL VIA: BUR, LotW, e-QSL
>>Bob AD5VJ
>>Old calls: WY5L/KH3-KE5CTY-N5IET
>>http://www.ad5vj.com/
>>
>>Member: CTDXCC, NTCC, STXDXCC
>>FISTS: # 12637, SKCC# 2369
>>10X# 37210, FP#-1141
>>SMIRK#-5177, RARS #-149
>>
>>
>>
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