[ICOM] Fwd: Re: Hope to see a roofing filter for the IC-775DSP

[Carl Moreschi]

Steve,

The first IF in the Orion main receiver is 9 mhz.  That's really the design
point that makes the Orion have the great close-in specs.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
Franklinton, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve N4LQ" <n4lq at iglou.com>
To: "ICOM Reflector" <icom at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ICOM] Fwd: Re: Hope to see a roofing filter for the IC-775DSP


> Jan:
> Isn't the first IF of the Orion at 45mhz and the roofing filter is 9 mhz?
So
> the "narrow roofing filter" is not really ahead of that first IF if I am
> thinking straight. I believe the 9 mhz "roofing" filter is the same, exact
> filter used in the Omni VI, Omni V, Paragon, Corsair and others so it's
> really nothing new when viewed in that light. I think you'll find that
> TenTec put the roofing filter a few floors down from the roof.
> Hey....That 238 tuner will make a great roofing filter!
> 73
> Steve N4LQ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan C. Robbins" <swanman at cfu.net>
> To: "ICOM Reflector" <icom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [ICOM] Fwd: Re: Hope to see a roofing filter for the
IC-775DSP
>
>
> > The front ends of most radios these days--that is, ahead of the first
> > IF--are wide open, typically 13 to 20khz minimum.  If everything in that
> > passband gets to and into the first IF, it grabs the AGC, and makes weak
> > signals uncopyable (it also blows by the IF filters, increases phase
> > noise, etc., but we don't need to get into all that).
> >
> > One of the BEST ways to improve ANY receiver is to place a filter AHEAD
> > of the first IF that is no wider than is absolutely necessary to copy
> > the signal YOU want to copy--250hz for CW or RTTY, for  example, or
> > 1.8khz for SSB (in the days before DSP, many receivers did exactly that;
> > it is a fact that DSP has produced a deteriation in receiver design).
> > What a roofing filters do, as Ten-Tec learned a long time ago (and Orion
> > does better than anything now on the market), is exactly that: shut down
> > the "window" by which signals get into the reciver in the first place.
> > That means that almost nothing you DON'T want into the reciver ever GETS
> > into the reciver, so the entire RF strip and everything else after that
> > narrow opening does its job correctly.
> >
> > You might want to check on Rob Sherwood's analysis of how to evaluate
> > receivers and what matters most in them.  Rob knows more about reciever
> > performance than almost anyone alive, and has been quite generous in
> > sharing what he knows with the rest of us.  I've listed the Sherwood
> > Engineering website below.
> >
> > What you'll find is that Rob not only rates receivers by how narrow the
> > front end is, but also how it gets there.  The BEST way to get there is
> > a narrow, tracking preamplifier--as in an R390A.  Almost nonexistent in
> > radios today (no, the Icom 7800 doesn't match up). But the Orion is the
> > best second best by far.  He also makes it clear that ANY
> > radio--including esp. the messy Icom Pros--that rely entirely on IF DSP
> > AFTER the front end cannot possibly perform at the level of radios that
> > don't.  One of the reasons why NO "pro-type" front end radio ends up
> > even above the median in receiver performance.
> >
> > Here's the Sherwood Engineering website; sorry this has been so
> long-winded.
> >
> > > http://www.sherweng.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > Durwydd MacTara wrote:
> >
> > > What is a "roofing filter" and why are they desireable?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  "Carpe` Diem!"
> > >             Durwydd MacTara
> > >
> > >
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