[Icom] Future mailman.qth.net Reflector

Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:33:35 -0500

Over on the Hallicrafters list (and others), this discussion has been
going on for weeks it seems. Here's a little story that tried to put
things in perspective. The Duane mentioned is well known on several
other lists for his stories about a frog named Frogzilla.

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I would like to recite a parable, and to make sure it is relevant, with
all credit to Duane, I will name one of the subjects of this parable
Frogzilla since Duane can't possibly take offense to any subject, no
matter how off topic, that uses the term Frogzilla, as he has done so
often in the past himself.

Once there was a frog called Frogzilla sitting at the edge of the pond
on his own lilypad. On the North side of the pond were many other
lilypads, each one isolated all by itself. On the South side of the pond
was a whole group of lilypads, called Frogtown, all clustered into one
big lump.

One day, a frog named Frogzumma, sitting on one of the isolated lilypads
in the North, spotted a big group of flies heading toward the pond and
decided he should inform everyone of a potential meal, so he sent a
message South over to the Frogtown lilypad cluster and told them all
about the flies.

Now Frogzilla listened to everything that was said in Frogtown so of
course he also heard about the flies and wanted to send a personal note
to Frogzumma, reminding him about a time when Frogzumma ate so many
flies he got sick. It was just a personal note, not meant for everyone
in
Frogtown to hear. Meanwhile, Frogmilla on another lilypad in the North
also wanted to tell Frogzumma that she saw the flies too.  Now you would
think that all Frogzilla and Frogmilla would have to do is send a
personal message to Frogzumma in the North, but no, it's not that easy
in Frogpond.

You see, the King Bullfrog of Frogpond decided that everybody should
hear everything that was said in the pond, so he built a barrier to
prevent any frogs from easily jumping North to reach the individual
lilypads. The barrier was rigged such that no matter which way you
wanted to jump, North or South, you would always end up jumping South,
right on into frogtown.

Of course there were alternatives, but it involved pretending to jump to
Frogtown and then deciding how you wanted to get beyond the barrier,
you could dive down and swim under the barrier, gather strength and try
to jump over the barrier, or just plain swim miles out of your way
around the barrier. Either way, it entailed a bigger challenge than just
deciding whether you wanted to jump North or South to begin with and
then doing it.

As you can see, the ability to let the individual frogs jump in the
direction they wanted, easily, was taken away from them, so all Frogtown
heard the personal message from Frogzilla to Frogzumma and they were
also privy to all the "I see them too!" comments from all the other
frogs like Frogmilla. 

The result was that Frogtown was inundated with meaningless drivel such
as this post, because the frogs felt it was easier to just send all
their
messages, no matter how irrelevant, on into Frogtown because that was
the only choice given them.

It would be nice for us frogs to have a choice:

jump North (Reply To: the sender)
 or   
jump South (Reply All: the list)

instead of:

jump North (Reply To: the list)
 or
jump South (Reply All: the list)

Why does this seem so difficult to comprehend??????????????

73, Ray  W2EC

"Edward L. Dowdy" wrote:
> 
> I disagree. It should remain reply to the list.
> 
> 73,
> Ed KA9EES
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Nielsen" <[email protected]>
> To: "ICOM Reflector" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Icom] Future mailman.qth.net Reflector
> 
> From: Bob Nielsen <[email protected]>
> 
> Dick,
> 
> When the move is made, please configure the list so the default is to
> reply to the sender instead of the list.  This has caused quite a bit
> of consternation (and endless discussion) on some of the qth.net lists
> which have already migrated.
> 
> 73,  Bob N7XY
> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 09:15:15PM -0800, Dick Flanagan wrote:
> > From: Dick Flanagan <[email protected]>
> >
> > A great many qth.net reflectors are moving to a new software system
> > called Mailman and they are now being addressed as
> > <list>@mailmain.qth.net instead of the current <list>@qth.net.
> >
> > The ICOM list has NOT made this change and you will all be given plenty
> > of notice before any changes are made!!
> >
> > Unfortunately, the controls were not in place to prevent eager beavers
> > from subscribing to the "new" [email protected] reflector!  Imagine
> > my surprise when I went over to where the new list will eventually be
> > and found thirty bright faces already waiting for me!
> >
> > I have since closed the front door to prevent any more subscriptions to
> > that list, but I want to let everyone know that for the foreseeable
> > future the ICOM reflector will be staying right where it has been since
> > its inception at [email protected].  Some day we will move to the new
> > reflector software, but that day hasn't arrive yet and it (hopefully)
> > won't happen without plenty of advance notice.
> 
> --
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