Hi Tony Didn't have either one. Both of mine were old station wagons. Thanks for the information. My day wasn't a total lose, I learned something, hi hi. Take Care JV At 05:31 PM 8/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, JV >WRX has this problem. It is well known on the Subaru NG. >73, >Tony, VE6CGX