[Heathkit] Heathkit Digest, Vol 101, Issue 14
W. Harris
nbcblue at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 14 22:41:28 EDT 2012
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> 1. Re: Viri (Was "no...") (David Stinson)
> 2. HK-232 (Don Cunningham)
> 3. Re: Viri (Was "no...") (W?QFC)
> 4. Re: virus (W. Harris)
> 5. Re: virus (Bry Carling)
> 6. Re: virus (Adrian Flynn)
> 7. Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit (W4ARZ_Steve)
> 8. Re: Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit (Bill Kuhn)
> 9. Re: Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit (David Stinson)
> 10. Re: SB 200` (Tom Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:06:03 -0500
> From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Viri (Was "no...")
> To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
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> IMHO, YMMV, etc.:
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> The answer is not more complex anti-V software, demanding more
> and more processing power to run anything else while it's active.
> That's like trying to protect against EMP weapons;
> you can spend billions and the smart little devils
> can always build a bigger "bomb."
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> The complexity of our software is it's chief vulnerability.
> The answer is to go back to simplicity. What are most of us
> trying to do? Communicate. How has mankind done that,
> building a world and going to the moon, for about 100 millenia?
> Simple writing and, when needed, simple graphics.
> Hell- the computers Apollo used to get to the moon
> had less power than a pocket calculator.
> The human brain and can do a great deal with simple words
> if we'll go back to actually using it.
> Give up all the Java-wava-adobed bells and whistles.
> Give up the CRAP we *think* we need, because we don't.
> A simple, plain-text display will communicate 98% of everything
> you need to say to anyone, anytime. We're doing it right now.
> You can't explote Java or Realplayer or Flash or
> the latest whizz-bang nonsense if it isn't running to begin with.
> Communicate something closer to a "dumb" terminal.
> Run simple graphics only when absolutely needed, and terminate them
> completely when not needed. Anything that can't be said in words
> can be shown with a simple graphic and NO add-on stupidity.
> We did it just fine with DOS, BASIC, CP/M and other simple
> op systems for decades. Simple systems with few commands
> have few holes to exploit. You can't write a C++ / JAVA virus
> for a 'puter running something like a simple BASIC.
> We did very complex process control with simple
> ladder-logic. There are smart people out there.
> Give them "stone knives and bear skins" and they
> will find a way to fly to Saturn with them.
> Stop depending on complex sub-routines
> to do what you could do with a few keystrokes.
> Use the vast, cheap memory and computing power to
> do simple tasks faster, rather than making more and
> vulnerable complex tasks.
> Shed the crap and get back to bare bones, which will do
> 98% of the job. Intelligent people will find
> a way to get the last 2%, if they really need it.
> To quote wisdom about needlessly complex things:
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> "It costs more than it comes to."
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> Regards,
> David S.
Good words. The current technology gives us super fast processors and nearly unlimited memory so software developers have learned how NOT write efficient software. I can remember when a 1 meg memory system was a big system and they ran an entire operating system with it and very efficiently. Current operating systems, like Windows have way too much overhead.
Bill - K5MIL
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:49:20 -0400
> From: Bry Carling <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] virus
> To: "W. Harris" <nbcblue at hotmail.com>, Heathkit Reflector
> <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
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> Linux was great until I went to use devices that don't have Linux drivers, etc. Piping etc. Can make it a bit technical...
So far I haven't found any devices that Linux didn't have a driver for.
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> Dump Windows and go with Linux and you will have far less worries, plus it is free.
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> Bill - K5MIL
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:59:37 -0400
> From: Adrian Flynn <adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] virus
> To: Bry Carling <bcarling at cfl.rr.com>
> Cc: "W. Harris" <nbcblue at hotmail.com>, Heathkit Reflector
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> Linux is great for youngsters
> But I am to old a dog to learn a new trick now;
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> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Bry Carling <bcarling at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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> > Linux was great until I went to use devices that don't have Linux drivers,
> > etc. Piping etc. Can make it a bit technical...
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> > Sent from my android "relatively smart" phone. Please excuse my brevity.
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> > _____________________________________________
> > From: "W. Harris" <nbcblue at hotmail.com>
> > Sent: Thu Jun 14 12:32:39 EST 2012
> > To: Heathkit Reflector <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Heathkit] virus
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> > Dump Windows and go with Linux and you will have far less worries, plus it
> > is free.
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> > Bill - K5MIL
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:07:56 -0400
> From: "W4ARZ_Steve" <steve732 at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [Heathkit] Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit
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> Whats the point of having a Heathkit forum if we ae going to discuss everything else but..
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> Here's what showed up today.... and how's this got anything to do with Heathkit ?
> If you want to post about virus and other cyber crap..get off the heathkit forum and go to one that has to do with the subject you want.
> Sheez !!!
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> We are getting very close to open cyberwarfare IMHO.
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> Stuxnet was just a shot across the bow. At least it attempted to be targeted at specific hardware.
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> At some point someone will let something really nasty out to try to crush internet traffic completely, and then all bets are off.
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> 73 DE NO0OO
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> Bill Kuhn
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> In God We Trust
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:10:35 -0500
> From: "Bill Kuhn" <BKuhn at kuhngroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit
> To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <14A2E5A661B0ED43ABBE0A1F9B66D02D30BAAD at dell2900.KG.local>
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> Or learn to use the delete button when appropriate.
>
> 73 DE NO0OO
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> _________________________________________________
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> Bill Kuhn
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> In God We Trust
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> ________________________________
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> From: heathkit-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of W4ARZ_Steve
> Sent: Thu 6/14/2012 12:07 PM
> To: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Heathkit] Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit
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> Whats the point of having a Heathkit forum if we ae going to discuss everything else but..
>
> Here's what showed up today.... and how's this got anything to do with Heathkit ?
> If you want to post about virus and other cyber crap..get off the heathkit forum and go to one that has to do with the subject you want.
> Sheez !!!
>
>
> We are getting very close to open cyberwarfare IMHO.
>
> Stuxnet was just a shot across the bow. At least it attempted to be targeted at specific hardware.
>
> At some point someone will let something really nasty out to try to crush internet traffic completely, and then all bets are off.
>
> 73 DE NO0OO
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> _________________________________________________
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> Bill Kuhn
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> In God We Trust
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:16:23 -0500
> From: "David Stinson" <arc5 at ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit
> To: "W4ARZ_Steve" <steve732 at frontiernet.net>,
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W4ARZ_Steve" <steve732 at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [Heathkit] Heathkit Or Not To Heathkit
>
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> > Whats the point of having a Heathkit forum if we ae going to discuss
> > everything else but..
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> Just checked my "DEL" key. Still working fine....
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:31:12 -0000
> From: "Tom Johnson" <yardmaster2 at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] SB 200`
> To: "'Carl'" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>, <manualman at juno.com>
> Cc: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
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> Thanks guys for the info. It's ordered. 73 N4TJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl [mailto:km1h at jeremy.mv.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:19 PM
> To: yardmaster2 at att.net; manualman at juno.com
> Cc: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] SB 200`
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> You can find the same one at NTE, Harbach just removes the name.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <manualman at juno.com>
> To: <yardmaster2 at att.net>
> Cc: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] SB 200`
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> > Go to
> > http://www.harbachelectronics.com/main/page_products_sb200__sb201.html
> > Last item on the list.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:02:43 -0000 "Tom Johnson" <yardmaster2 at att.net>
> > writes:
> >> Does anyone know a source for a T/R relay for the SB 200 and the
> >> correct
> >> part number? Tnx N4TJ
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> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12
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