[Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit

[Dick KF4NS]

Thanks guys for the info. I have the Sprague 160Ps and all are the later ones. I am replacing them with 
polyester film from Mouser. Sure takes up alot less room. I already had all the new caps I needed, just 
was curious about subbing a .22 or .33 for the .25, in other words, up or down in value if the old values 
are not found.

I like the orange drop but they are expensive. For this purpose, polyester film or metal film or fine.

Yes indeed, age does play a role in our absent mindedness. I am constantly reminded.

73, Dick KF4NS
St Petersburg, FL 33714 USA
Keep The Glow!


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|   3. Re: replacement caps for Heathkit (Richard Knoppow)
|   4. Re: replacement caps for Heathkit (Carl)
|   5. Re: replacement caps for Heathkit (Carl)
|   6. Re: replacement caps for Heathkit (Richard Knoppow)
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| Message: 1
| Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:49:09 -0500
| From: "Dick KF4NS" <kf4nsradio at verizon.net>
| Subject: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| To: "Heath puck list" <heath at puck.nether.net>,
| <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Message-ID: <000501cccbf3$e0e187f0$2f01a8c0 at HOMEPC>
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| I am still working on my SB-610 and it brought to mind that Heath used a ton of those black beauty caps
| and it seems that almost all of them are 400VDC or 600VDC and mostly .1, .15, .5 1mfd or .25mfd so 
there
| are a bunch that you guys have replaced.
|
| What value do you usually replace them with?  Most of the time I have gone up in value but I suspect 
that
| going down on some could be ok since these are rarely if ever used in freq. determining circuits.
|
| Give me your thoughts (nothing vulgar, hi, hi)  HAPPY NEW YEAR !
|
| 73, Dick KF4NS
| St Petersburg, FL 33714 USA
| Keep The Glow!
|
|
|
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|
| Message: 2
| Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:59:42 -0500
| From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| To: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
| Message-ID: <4F061D4E.6050705 at comcast.net>
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| Dick,
|
| Try:<http://www.hayseedhamfest.com/capacitors/Heathkit_1.html>
|
| Tom, N0JMY has the SB-610 cap kit for $55.75, plus shipping. (This
| includes the twistlock cap also.)
|
| He and his family do the kits.  And they are one of our OWN,
|
| Bob - N0DGN
|
|
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| Message: 3
| Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:24:49 -0800
| From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| To: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>, <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Message-ID: <C7BFF523674B45BFBEEDCE146E908676 at VALUED20606295>
| Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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|
|
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>
| To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:59 PM
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
|
|
| > Dick,
| >
| > Try:<http://www.hayseedhamfest.com/capacitors/Heathkit_1.html>
| >
| > Tom, N0JMY has the SB-610 cap kit for $55.75, plus
| > shipping. (This
| > includes the twistlock cap also.)
| >
| > He and his family do the kits.  And they are one of our
| > OWN,
| >
| > Bob - N0DGN
|
|     I can vouch for Tom's stuff having used it in Drake and
| Hallicrafters stuff.
|
|     BTW, Sangamo made capacitors under the Black Beauty
| name for many years after the disasterous ones were made.
| The trouble causers were oil-filled. One of the problems
| (but probably not the exclusive one) was that the tube at
| one end through which the oil was added was also one of the
| leads. If the lead was overheated the seal was broken and
| the oil would leak out. Later BB caps were dry. The two can
| be told apart by the look of the leads. The oil filled ones
| have one thick stub at one end, the dry ones have thin leads
| on both ends. The late BB and Orange Drop caps, which have a
| very good reputation, were both described in the same way: a
| combination of paper and polyester dielectric. I think the
| only difference between the late ones was that BB's were
| axial lead and OD's were radial lead.
|     Nonetheless, all of these are old enough to be suspect
| even if not the mid-1950's trouble makers.
|
|
| --
| Richard Knoppow
| Los Angeles
| WB6KBL
| dickburk at ix.netcom.com
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 4
| Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:58:00 -0500
| From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| To: "Dick KF4NS" <kf4nsradio at verizon.net>, "Heath puck list"
| <heath at puck.nether.net>, <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Message-ID: <3117BF72BFE745A99DA872B919A54859 at computer1>
| Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
| reply-type=original
|
| .22 and .47 are standard values that will work fine and the rest are
| standard values in those yellow 400 and 630V film caps.
|
| Search Fleabay for surplus dealers and those values are usually pretty cheap
| since there are little requirements. If that fails try Mouser.
|
| Carl
| KM1H
|
|
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|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 5
| Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:19:34 -0500
| From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| To: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>, "rbethman"
| <rbethman at comcast.net>, <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Message-ID: <049465AE03AE4FF3A0F6915ACE1E858A at computer1>
| Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
| reply-type=original
|
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
| To: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>; <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:24 PM
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
|
|
| >
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>
| > To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:59 PM
| > Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| >
| >
| >> Dick,
| >>
| >> Try:<http://www.hayseedhamfest.com/capacitors/Heathkit_1.html>
| >>
| >> Tom, N0JMY has the SB-610 cap kit for $55.75, plus
| >> shipping. (This
| >> includes the twistlock cap also.)
| >>
| >> He and his family do the kits.  And they are one of our
| >> OWN,
| >>
| >> Bob - N0DGN
| >
| >     I can vouch for Tom's stuff having used it in Drake and
| > Hallicrafters stuff.
| >
| >     BTW, Sangamo made capacitors under the Black Beauty
| > name for many years after the disasterous ones were made.
| > The trouble causers were oil-filled. One of the problems
| > (but probably not the exclusive one) was that the tube at
| > one end through which the oil was added was also one of the
| > leads. If the lead was overheated the seal was broken and
| > the oil would leak out. Later BB caps were dry. The two can
| > be told apart by the look of the leads. The oil filled ones
| > have one thick stub at one end, the dry ones have thin leads
| > on both ends. The late BB and Orange Drop caps, which have a
| > very good reputation, were both described in the same way: a
| > combination of paper and polyester dielectric. I think the
| > only difference between the late ones was that BB's were
| > axial lead and OD's were radial lead.
| >     Nonetheless, all of these are old enough to be suspect
| > even if not the mid-1950's trouble makers.
|
| Black Beauty was a Sprague trademark. At the same time the paper versions
| were made they produced a high quality film version that was used by HP and
| others, all Ive tested are still fine. They have red lettering.
| Production years of both can be found in the yearly Radio Masters.
| The Bumblebee style were also Sprague and a lower cost version of the BB for
| catalogs and cheaper OEM's
|
| Carl
| KM1H
|
|
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|
| Message: 6
| Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:12:14 -0800
| From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| To: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>, "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>,
| <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Message-ID: <1FE62263328F46CFAF0C3AFD38A249FD at VALUED20606295>
| Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
| reply-type=response
|
|
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "Carl" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
| To: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>; "rbethman"
| <rbethman at comcast.net>; <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:19 PM
| Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
|
|
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
| > To: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>;
| > <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:24 PM
| > Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| >
| >
| >>
| >> ----- Original Message ----- 
| >> From: "rbethman" <rbethman at comcast.net>
| >> To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
| >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 1:59 PM
| >> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] replacement caps for Heathkit
| >>
| >>
| >>> Dick,
| >>>
| >>> Try:<http://www.hayseedhamfest.com/capacitors/Heathkit_1.html>
| >>>
| >>> Tom, N0JMY has the SB-610 cap kit for $55.75, plus
| >>> shipping. (This
| >>> includes the twistlock cap also.)
| >>>
| >>> He and his family do the kits.  And they are one of our
| >>> OWN,
| >>>
| >>> Bob - N0DGN
| >>
| >>     I can vouch for Tom's stuff having used it in Drake
| >> and
| >> Hallicrafters stuff.
| >>
| >>     BTW, Sangamo made capacitors under the Black Beauty
| >> name for many years after the disasterous ones were made.
| >> The trouble causers were oil-filled. One of the problems
| >> (but probably not the exclusive one) was that the tube at
| >> one end through which the oil was added was also one of
| >> the
| >> leads. If the lead was overheated the seal was broken and
| >> the oil would leak out. Later BB caps were dry. The two
| >> can
| >> be told apart by the look of the leads. The oil filled
| >> ones
| >> have one thick stub at one end, the dry ones have thin
| >> leads
| >> on both ends. The late BB and Orange Drop caps, which
| >> have a
| >> very good reputation, were both described in the same
| >> way: a
| >> combination of paper and polyester dielectric. I think
| >> the
| >> only difference between the late ones was that BB's were
| >> axial lead and OD's were radial lead.
| >>     Nonetheless, all of these are old enough to be
| >> suspect
| >> even if not the mid-1950's trouble makers.
| >
| > Black Beauty was a Sprague trademark. At the same time the
| > paper versions were made they produced a high quality film
| > version that was used by HP and others, all Ive tested are
| > still fine. They have red lettering.
| > Production years of both can be found in the yearly Radio
| > Masters.
| > The Bumblebee style were also Sprague and a lower cost
| > version of the BB for catalogs and cheaper OEM's
| >
| > Carl
| > KM1H
| >
| >
|     Carl, my error, Sprague is correct. The funny thing is
| that I was just looking at a Sprague ad in an old ARRL
| handbook before I wrote that.
|
|
| --
| Richard Knoppow
| Los Angeles
| WB6KBL
| dickburk at ix.netcom.com
|
|
|
| ------------------------------
|

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