[Heathkit] Re: Heathkit Digest, Vol 57, Issue 23

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Duane, VERY well said! I am on your side. Just a couple of years ago, I 
had a 'situation' with a nearby ham who "was" one of my best friends. 
However, when a couple of the neighbors put together a frivolous 
lawsuit, because I put up 2 towers on my 5 acres, he caved and sided 
with them. Yep, the courts threw it out, but it cost me my 'dream 
house'.
This is a 'ham' that is listed as an "ADVANCED" class Amateur. He came 
to me one day perplexed because he couldn't figure out the voltage drop 
across a resistor. Too bad only one end was connected to the circuit!!
I also had to 'teach' him how to spray paint. Now, he's selling 
"remanufactured" Heathkit stuff.
Caveat emptor!
I have helped several hams only to get kicked in the teeth. I'm tired 
of the "cheap SOBs" in our fine hobby.
I think they should all get on 14.275 MHz and talk to Carl. ha ha

73, friend

ron

N4UE





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Today's Topics:

1. Re: CL-33M Manual (Tom N?JMY - AAR7FV)
2. Re: CL-33M Manual (John)
3. FW: DX-100 for sale (Kim Herron)
4. Re: CL-33M Manual (Duane Fischer, W8DBF)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:32:44 -0500
From: Tom N?JMY - AAR7FV <tfarl at mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual
To: "Paul Gondos" <pgondos at hotmail.com>, <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
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I'm confused, Paul. You say you need a manual for a TA-33, but the 
subject line
says CL-33 (Classic 33). Which is it you actually need?

I have a CL-33 manual already scanned, if you need it.

IIRC, the "M" versions differ from the earlier units in that they have
three-piece booms so they can be shipped UPS without a extra 
dimensional charge.

Vy 73,
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Gondos
To: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual


Hi:
This may be a little off base, but I am in dire need of a TA-33 or 
TA-33M
Manual. Can someone Xerox a copy and send it to me? I am good in QRZ. 
Thanks
very much.

Paul, KA3JOI
pgondos at hotmail.com


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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:17:42 -0400
From: John <johnmb at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual
To: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>, "Paul Gondos"
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At 05:16 PM 10/28/2008, Duane Fischer, W8DBF wrote:
>Paul (and all)
>
>This is an "observation" and not a criticism.


Good that you noted it as such, or it would have been hard to tell the
difference.

I'm always happy to help a fellow ham with such requests. Seems to me 
I've
seen you more than once , ask for documentation help yourself Duane.

You may want to lighten up a bit.

73
John K5MO




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:17:49 -0400
From: "Kim Herron" <kim.herron at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Heathkit] FW: DX-100 for sale
To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
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Hi gang!!
I'm posting this for a friend. He has a DX-100 that is complete in
a cabinet that needs a home. Here's his address willsmusik at aol.com. It 
was
owned by a ham and has been stored for many years. Bob has no way to 
test
it. It's complete but the chassis has corrosion on it and the front 
panel
has would need replaced as the former owner made some mods to the
transmitter (Spotting control, etc) and he put holes in the front panel 
to
do it. It also has had rack handles added. It is in the original cabinet
and I did not see any holes in that. All the tubes are there. This was a
working piece when put in storage. Does not appear that the mice were in
it. The SP-600 that I listed earlier this thing was used with still 
works,
so the transmitter might actually do the same. $120 takes it away. 
Please
reply to Bob, whose e-mail is listed in the beginning. He has pictures 
that
he can send you so you can get a better idea of what is there. He is in
eastern PA, not to far from Philly so you east coast guys might get a 
deal
and Bob will work with you.

Kim Herron W8ZV
kim.herron at sbcglobal.net
1-616-677-3706



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:31:17 -0500
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual
To: "Larry WA9VRH" <wa9vrh at dishmail.net>, <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>,
"Tom Chesek" <tchesek at epix.net>
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Hi Larry,

There is one point that I do not agree with you on old friend.

When the person asking does not make any offer to pay for printing 
costs,
postage, packing materials etc. and assumes "you" will do this just 
because he
has asked for a free whatever, this I do not support or consider to be
acceptable ethics. Why should anyone assume that you should pay for 
their
expenses? You already have what they need!

When it comes to Hams and radio hobbyists being generous, I believe the 
group on
the whole is the most helpful, most gifted, most generous and most 
tightly boned
of any club, group, fraternity or other organization that I am aware 
of.
Incredible!

Because I have a high visibility from writing, managing lists, doing 
NCS duties
etc., I see this generosity going on constantly. One Sunday during the 
20M HHI
Net an unknown to the collective Hams that frequent the Nets, asks for 
a twenty
watt special wire wound resistor that he needs to fix his vintage rig 
in ill
health. He is willing to pay for it, plus shipping, plus a few bucks 
for your
time and even offers to divulge his blood type including the MN 
factors, most
recent drug tests results and so forth. Before you can rediscover this
previously rescued part from a nearly dead early sixties tabletop MW 
set and get
it in an envelope for the Pigeon Express to rush to the Ham in need the 
next
sunrise, an e-mail appears on a mailing list thanking Tom, Dick and 
Harry for
the overnight delivery of the part he needed!

While I am colorizing the facts here, I am not altering the truth. Week 
after
week I hear about a Ham or radio hobbyist in Brazil or Florida or one 
of the
Russian states or Spain or South Dakota or on some island so blasted 
tiny off
the coast of Pango Pango that map makers are still debating its 
Long./Lat. and
the part in need arives out of the clear blue! Some do not even have a 
call sign
or return address! Money was never the object, just gett a Ham in need 
that
radio part for a broken circuit to feed on those nutritious proper 
polarities!


I hear about entire receivers and transmitters and pieces of test 
equipment and
still functional antennas and on and on arriving to help a Ham 
somewhere on this
third rock from the Sun weekly. Hams who just want to help some 
stranger in
need, be in parts, diagnostic help, fixing the broken circuit or 
stopping by to
say "Hey!" and "Where's the sick baby? I can heal anything that can be
soldered!" And so it goes -

Some of us are trying to help a hurting Ham or radio hobbyist who has 
no clue as
to how to go about testing the RX to find the malfunctioning component, 
let
alone heal the sick set! But it was not too many years, or decades, 
back that we
were that guy who did not know the difference between smelt and melt! 
Or who
thought a resistance check had something to do with the physical 
strength of the
defensive line of the other teams football team or a blown Black Beauty 
was a
Blackcat firecracker that blew up after the fuse fizzled out, you 
thought! But
got a big bang of a surprise when you picked it up!

There is absolutely nothing wrong in helping a fellow Ham or radio 
hobbyist in
need! But when another Ham or radio hobbyist 'demands' it, or 'expects 
it as if
we owe it to them' or expects that we should pay for the privilidge of 
helping
them through their emotional moments of anguish as to whether a 
filament is
going to flare or flame or flicker into darkness, now that is a color 
code of a
different gauge!

Just listen and think about this. Please. How many times do you hear 
"please"
and "thank you" being used in daily verbal exchanges? How many times do 
you
yourself fail to thank the guy who washes your car windshield for not 
missing
several spots? How many times daily do you give orders, as opposed to 
making a
polite request? It is very easy to find fault with everyone and 
everything, and
all of us are guilty of doing it. Even if we do not want to admit to 
having done
so.

There is a huge cosmos of difference between asking for help, receiving 
it and
showing your appreciation for it and simply telling the world that 
"you" want a
manual, you want it right away and whomever has one should be thrilled 
that you
gave them an opportunity to help a stranger in need! All out of the 
goodness of
your heart and willingness to share some of the air in the room that 
both of you
were currently cohabitating. Sharing was a concept that did not jump 
from one
neuron synapse point to another naturally in your brains wiring! It had 
to be
jump started, as in Electro Convulsive Shock theraphy! You could 
squeeze the
molecules of paint right out of the ceramic soul of Tom Thrift the 
piggy bank
you received for your eighth birthday from your great aunt Honey 
Graham. Who
unbeknowns to you, spent the last dollar she had, which she was going 
to
purchase a cup of coffee and piece of homemade Pecan pie with for her 
afternoon
pre-supper snack, from your schools annual bakes
ale. Which helped to fund each classrooms supply of snotty nose 
soakups,
emergency rotten egg barf bags, "HELP! I'm Gonna Hurl my heels!", when 
the sewer
choked on lunch and the rooms filled up with Hydrogen Sulfide gas 
fumes! The
embarassment free salvation of all students who grabbed a brand new 
pencil with
sharpened tip and toothmark free eraser after sitting on theirs and 
without ever
being seen by the resident classroom blabbermouth, from the modified 
wall
mounted paper cup dispensor lurking partway behind the dry foam filled 
fire
extinguisher somebody had scribbled "Fart Free Foam, so let it go, 
nothin's
gonna blow!" Did you ever want to let the school nurse examine your 
bare
buttocks with a Coal Miner's lamp on her forehead, Swiss Army 
multi-purpose
knife in one hand and a pair of needle nosed pliars in the other to 
extract any
fragment of pencil lead still buried in your buns? Don't know about 
yours, but
all of my school nurses looked like rejects to play the Hunchb
ack Of Notre Dame! Mine did not look like somebody had beaten them 
frequently
with an ugly stick though, more like the entire neighborhood beat them 
daily
with the whole darn tree! They had to sneak up on a babbling brook just 
to get a
drink, otherwise it became a screaming stream!

Have you checked the postal prices as of late? Now clerks at the 
counter tell me
that some of these seeming new policies are actually eighteen months, 
or more,
old, but the postal system is just now getting around to putting them 
into
operation. Such as mailing anything "hard" in a regular letter size or 
business
envelope. This now costs us $.75 more! I asked the clerk how they could 
tell if
it was a plastic CD slimline case or just heavy cardboard? She said 
they could
not.

I asked her why I should pay them an additional $.75 to mail my CD in a
protective plastic case when the parcels always arrive crushed or 
cracked
anyhow? I asked her if they hand sorted this mail with the "hard" 
object
contents to prevent such breakage? She said no, it was all done by 
machines.

I thought I would toss that postal charge into your field of focus, 
just in case
you, like I, had not heard of it before.

So Larry, helping is fantastic! If we all got exactly what we deserved, 
I have a
feeling there would be a lot of unhappy people in the midst of the 
mist.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry WA9VRH
To: heathkit at mailman.qth.net ; Tom Chesek
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual


Hi Tom,

I agree with you. I have sent the pdf file of the TA33 that is on BAMA 
to
Paul. I am the one that scanned it and can vouch for it's quality.

I like you have scanned or copied many manuals and sent to people 
asking
nothing in return. When someone insists on paying something I ask that 
they buy
me a ticket to the next hamfest they are going to. (except Dayton 
because of the
cost) :)

So far no prizes have show up but I have faith. There also have been 
people
that sent me some cash and I have used that to help send out more 
stuff.

I have been asked why... Well because I want to! I also consider it 
payback
because of many requests that I have had for Collins manuals that I 
have made
over the last 7-8 years. Some were very old and fragile but people have
entrusted them to me. Makes me happy to scan something and send to 
someone and
also post on Bama if I can do that.

By the way my interest in the Collins manuals is that I am the Archive 
Manager
for the CCA. We are very proud that Rockwell Collins granted the CCA
permission to scan, archive and disseminate these manuals and other 
documents.

73 Larry WA9VRH


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Chesek
To: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual


This is my "observation".

Many of us try to save a buck here and there. I've been on both the
receiving and sending end where a transaction incurred expenses for the 
provider
only. That is how many Hams help each other out. If some wish to make a 
small
business for profit or labor of love that is their choice. I have also 
purchased
manuals from a couple of the manual vendors when necessary. Just 
because they
wish to have a business venture does not obligate me to get all of my 
manuals
 from their business. The request sent by Paul does not offend me in any 
way.
Some may wish to ignore it, some may wish to copy and mail the manual, 
some may
wish to offer a copy for copying and mailing costs. His note was 
sifficient with
the terms to be left to anyone who wished to assist him.

Tom K3TVC


----- Original Message -----
From: Duane Fischer, W8DBF
To: Paul Gondos ; heathkit at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual


Paul (and all)

This is an "observation" and not a criticism.

What is wrong with we Hams? Not only are we asking for someone else 
that
we do not even know to spend their time and their money to photocopy a 
manual
for us, we are also asking them to purchase the envelope and pay the 
postage.
Not a mention made of paying for the costs.

In "dire" need? Then right on this list are at least two outstanding
manual venders. WA2CWA, Pete:
manualman at juno.com

Both original copies and excellent reproductions too. Reasonable 
prices,
prompt service and "excellent" quality work that tired old boat anchor 
guyes can
read easily with their tri-focals!

Then we have Al Bernard, NI4Q.
ni4q at juno.com

Al also sells the original manuals as well as produces outstanding
reproductions.

These guys, and unnamed others, have transformed their homes into 
manual
inventory shelves and enough large cardboard boxes marked with colored 
felt
markers for ten thousand children to construct playhouses from! They 
have gone
to more Ham Fests and flea ridden Flee Marketss to last a thousand 
lifetimes in
quest of the manuals that you and I need.

They certainly did not do it to get rich! Heh Pete? Heh Al?

I wonder what they must think when these "give me what I want for free 
and
you pay all the costs" posts comes along, one or two a month? I would 
rather pay
Pete or Al or whomever and get a "good quality" manual with diagrams 
one can
read and photos not run together like they were done on one of those 
hand
cranked printing machines we used to generate neighborhood newspapers 
with and
the photo left the viewer with lots of room for imaginating what on 
earth it
was!

Not that some free services such as BAMA are not good, as for the most
part, they are. However, the only way to be assured of legible copy and 
diagrams
with crisp contrast is to purchase a manual. Especially if you are in 
"dire"
need. I've been there, as have most of you at one time or another too.

I will probably get flamed for "not expecting free manuals at the other
persons expense", but so be it. Although it has nothing to do with 
vintage or
modern radios, as one weekend auto racing fan said: If you can't afford 
the
price of the gas, then why did you buy a fuel Hog that honks instead of 
oinks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Gondos
To: heathkit at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: [Heathkit] CL-33M Manual


Hi:
This may be a little off base, but I am in dire need of a TA-33 or
TA-33M Manual. Can someone Xerox a copy and send it to me? I am good in 
QRZ.
Thanks very much.

Paul, KA3JOI
pgondos at hotmail.com


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