I have a very nice AT-1 and VF-1. Both are 8 to 9 with no mods. AT-1 has manual. I will bring them to Dayton if anyone is interested. I have pics I can E-mail them. Please contact me off list. 73 Mike, W9QS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover