steve.. i use formula 409... works like a champ... when you spray = it on, yellow sludge runs off like rain.. paul w8jn ----- Original Message ----- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---