From bsteg316 at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 12:41:29 2019 From: bsteg316 at gmail.com (Bill Stegemueller K5KB) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:41:29 -0500 Subject: [HCARC] Help Message-ID: The Medina Club is trying to help Norman Rigsby (K5LYO) a D-Day survivor get back on the air.?? His antenna keeps falling down which is due to a mast that is bent. We are looking for anyone who has collapsible mast.?? If you have one that your willing to donate or sell,? please call me. Bill Stegemueller (K5KB) 830-796-5799 ** Here's an article written about Norman two weeks ago: https://www.banderabulletin.com/news/article_54a4093c-9208-11e9-a963-1b512f7d28be.html?mode=jqm From cw4evr at hctc.net Sat Jul 6 19:12:50 2019 From: cw4evr at hctc.net (Fred) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:12:50 -0500 Subject: [HCARC] Club Web Page Message-ID: I have made a few changes in the club web page this week.Those changes are to various pages and links.The major change was in the on line roster.All members licensed can now choose what they want to make public just by clicking on their call and updating their information.Remember all this information is already public and on the web.If you don?t want it public from our web page, let me know and I will remove the link from your call. No one has forwarded any pictures from field day, so I removed that link but added some pictures which were already made public.If you want an updated picture, just email it to me and I will add it on the next update. I plan on doing the updates each Friday when the ARRL, Doctor and ARN audio files are updated.Remember the club meeting this next Thursday, July 11.The site is still temporarily at http://www.w0lpd.org. Fred/W0LPD From w4wj at aol.com Sun Jul 7 01:48:25 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 05:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: [CTDXCC] Big ARRL board meeting next week References: <110960099.2477377.1562478505889.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <110960099.2477377.1562478505889@mail.yahoo.com> FYI... Please read and respond to our Director and the FCC. 73DonW4WJ From: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Reply-to: tsrwvcomm at aol.com To: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net, pvrc at mailman.qth.net Sent: 7/6/2019 11:38:38 PM Central Standard Time Subject: [CTDXCC] Big ARRL board meeting next week Dear Ham Colleagues: There may be, for the first time ever, an honest discussion about effectively encrypted data in ham radio at the ARRL Board Meeting next week in Newington. Please, Let all ARRL board members know your views on the need for ham radio to avoid all effectively encrypted data such as is used in Winlink (ARQ and proprietary compression) - urge the ARRL and FCC to insist that all data in ham radio be open for public monitoring over the air. Let other forums know......If we don't rally and let the ARRL and FCC know our views this week, the ARRL Foundation and a majority of ARRL board members will likely attempt to continue to move our hobby to this result: https://pocketmags.com/us/american-survival-guide-magazine/august-2019/articles/594778/send-emails-by-ham-radio And https://worldgonesilent.com/ Please- spread the word-- this week, please let all?current board members know your views about requiring complete data transparency, and to stop the use of ham bands for emailing the general public, and spam and business use of email that has been happening for years and will only get worse if we don't make things open now. Let your views be know this week. ?Please tell all ARRL Directors and the FCC (please file your thoughts in favor of rm- 11831 and against 16-239 and rm-11828), and speak with one voice?that we need ALL data modes to be open for public intercept in ham radio, and Winlink ( am "open and transparent over-the-air Winlink) and other wideband modes need their own separate subband, as requested in RM-11831. 73 ted N9NB _______________________________________________ CTDXCC mailing list CTDXCC at lists.kkn.net https://lists.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/ctdxcc From dale.gaudier at gmail.com Sun Jul 7 12:38:16 2019 From: dale.gaudier at gmail.com (Dale Gaudier) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:38:16 -0500 Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: Austin Summerfest 2019 - Amateur Radio Convention Info References: Message-ID: <97E370C3-3999-45FE-9FB1-5551C55188E7@gmail.com> FYI. Dale - K4DG Begin forwarded message: > From: Jon N5MHI > Date: July 7, 2019 at 10:06:42 AM CDT > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: Austin Summerfest 2019 - Amateur Radio Convention Info > > > Austin Summerfest 2019 > Yes. It's Hot! > > Don't let the summer heat get you down. Come cool off at Austin Summerfest 2019! There will be technical sessions and plenty of gear and gadgets to swap. It's open to the public; you don't need a ham license to attend. > > There will also be drawings for door prizes and several major prizes. The grand prize will be a Yaesu FT-891 HF/50MHz 100W All-Mode Mobile. Wow! With your paid registration, you get one ticket good for the door prizes and the major prizes. Of course you can buy more! They're only $1 each and can be purchased online with your registration or at the door. Plus, rent a room at the Crowne Plaza and you'll get five bonus tickets for each room-night - up to a total of ten tickets. > > Did I mention registration is available online? Yes! You can pay by credit card or Paypal online. So easy! And you save a couple of dollars if you register early (online or by mail)! (Hint: Put that savings toward a couple of extra tickets for the drawings!) > > Please visit the website for all the details, rules for the prize drawings, and lots more! > > If it gets too cold or too crowded for you, we'll be holding a Tailgate Swapfest on the east site of the hotel. You don't need to be registered to sell or participate at the tailgate. But of course, you'll want to attend the indoor (air conditioned!) swapfest and sessions, so go ahead and register. You know you want to! > > For more information about Austin Summerfest, visit the website: > http://austinsummerfest.org/ From w4wj at aol.com Sun Jul 7 17:59:06 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: [CTDXCC] [PVRC] PVRC Position On rm-11708, rm-11831 and 16-239 References: <1354134151.2588126.1562536746663.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354134151.2588126.1562536746663@mail.yahoo.com> More discussion regarding the encryption of Winlink. Be sure to scroll thru the entire text of the email! 73DonW4WJ From: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Reply-to: tsrwvcomm at aol.com To: n8noe at arrl.net Cc: lee.mcvey at prodigy.net, pvrc at mailman.qth.net, jtmiller47 at gmail.com, hdwgby at gmail.com, rkolarik at neb.rr.com, ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net, pete.n4zr at gmail.com, ab2ra at htva.net, brennanprice at verizon.net, hdwhite at charter.net, mjmarcus at marcus-spectrum.com Sent: 7/7/2019 4:10:11 PM Central Standard Time Subject: Re: [CTDXCC] [PVRC] PVRC Position On rm-11708, rm-11831 and 16-239 As I said 2 weeks ago, Jeff; this is widely known to have been a contrived unprotected mode, peer to peer use of Pactor. I dispelled this false claim a few weeks ago. Read www.pactor.com to see that this peer to peer mode is not what is used in ham radio. Winlink uses the ARQ and compression to effectively encrypt the data. Suggest you listen carefully to episode 105 of "Ham Radio Now",?and see this admission which ARRL Directors and probably you and Brennan know Full well. This is with a Pactor modem:https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/1222718116209 Sent from smartphone, please excuse typos On Jul 7, 2019, at 5:04 PM, Jeffrey M. Swiger wrote: Ted and all;I have sent Links, Screen shots and more along Showing YES you CAN Decode..Has anyone Payed ANY attention to those?Again, I?ll send just a Quick link just so you might READ and run it yourself:http://www.kd0cq.com/2013/07/sorcerer-decoder-download/?fbclid=IwAR03HBolL9nMfqQFy3g4rAvJdwLVS-E2bqEyceHoN1uzTwkxWG7xEakJHWoI?m NOT so PRO PACTOR, but do use the Modes available to me and Wider Modes should be a Larger Focus eating Bands up, and now talk of re-alocation of 144mhz band? WAY more to think about..73 All, hope Ya?ll had a great 4th..Jeff-N8NOE On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Ted via CTDXCC wrote: Dear Brennan, all: Several directors and Vice directors have admitted to each other and to me in recent weeks that Pactor cannot be decoded over the air, even with a Pactor modem. I'll share the emails of admission if you wish ?to see them. I have publicly asked in front of the FCC for the ARRL board to use their w1aw station and Winlink software and Pactor modem to prove that its not effectively encrypted- in 4 moths no one has done this! And N5AUS , a non elected director of ARRL in Texas, is reported to have admitted that Winlink data tranmissions are ? effectively encrypted this also at the CTDXCC meeting on Tuesday. ?So, let's please stop the charade, Brennan, that someone nearly needs to "buy a modem". That's flatly not true. Even with an SCS modem Winlink transmissions can not be decoded for meaning. What about the modem, or software decoders, for Winmor, ARDOP and VARA as used by Winlink? Where are those decoders available to anyone? They are not. Can someone coming across a Winlink transmission start the decoding process mid-stream, or is the entire transmission required to be copied start to finish, with no missing bits or bytes, to result in meaningful text? Brennan, please be factual. At the CTDXCC meeting in Tuesday in Austin, a show of hands showed UNANIMOUS support for using only openly transparentOver-the-air decoding. We must rise up and let current arrl directors and the FCC know what we, hams in general, want and expect in honoring that principles of ham radio, as well as the FCC Part 97 rules. Let's all move to make RM-11831 a reality and get?Other clubs and hams involved in letting arrl leaders and FCC know that we value openness and transparency in ham radio. This sets us apart from other radio services. 73 ted N9NB Sent from smartphone, please excuse typos On Jul 7, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Brennan Price via PVRC wrote: And, utterly irrelevant to the question at issue on symbol rates. "We have a 300 baud symbol rate limit on HF because some people don't want to invest in the equipment to decipher higher rates." In the rooms I run in professionally, that statement would, and should, get the speaker laughed out. On Jul 7, 2019 15:58, Brennan Price wrote: Buy a modem. Difficult to decide does not mean impossible to decide. On Jul 7, 2019 15:51, Jim Miller via PVRC wrote: As I understand it the compression algorithms used result in a de facto private channel. Pactor would need to rewrite and reprogram its modems. I think that should be required of them. Jim ab3cv On Jul 7, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR via PVRC wrote: And I'll bite too ... if it's the de facto encryption that is the real problem, why not add a sentence or two to the NPRM calling for any encoding process to be put in the public domain if it is to be used on the amateur bands? 73, Pete N4ZR Download the new N1MM Logger+ at . Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. > On 7/7/2019 1:35 PM, Brennan Price via PVRC wrote: > I'll bite. Again. > > Symbol rate limitations are inherently backwards. Outside of the amateur service rules, they are nowhere to be found in the Commission's rules, and for good reason. > > The rulemaking (16-239, which spawned from the now-supeseded PRM 11708) does no more and no less than remove these anachronisms and let radio amateurs advance the radio art unfettered. If this Thales pursuit of 144-146 MHz gets legs, do not think for a minute that the existing 19.6 kbps symbol rate limit on the band won't be used against us. > > The objections with respect to automatically controlled stations and decipherability seek to? relitigate rules automatic control rules that were settled decades ago. Whatever one thinks of the recent petition with respect to these issues (RM-11831), it is regressive to argue that the whole of amateur radio must be encumbered by a symbol rate restrictions because one or a few perceived beneficiaries of removing the restriction will do something bad. The same argument can be--and has been--made about amateur radio in general. It is a dangerous argument to adopt. > > One simply cannot support symbol rate restrictions and credibly claim not to be a Luddite. (I am not calling Ted a Luddite. To his credit, he suggested band segmentation as a way to make this work a few years back. While I think this was a solution in search of a problem, it was much more of a solution than other proponents of continued symbol rate restrictions have offered. And my admiration of Ted's strongly influential microwave work is documented and unchanged.) > > 16-239 should proceed to adoption unencumbered by further litigation on tangential issues (RM-11831). As an organization of progressive radio operators, I would expect PVRC to have a similar view. > > 73 de Brennan N4QX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > PVRC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/pvrc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:PVRC at mailman.qth.net > Message delivered to pete.n4zr at gmail.com > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ PVRC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/pvrc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:PVRC at mailman.qth.net Message delivered to jtmiller47 at gmail.com This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ PVRC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/pvrc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:PVRC at mailman.qth.net Message delivered to brennanprice at verizon.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ PVRC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/pvrc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:PVRC at mailman.qth.net Message delivered to tsrwvcomm at aol.com This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ CTDXCC mailing list CTDXCC at lists.kkn.net https://lists.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/ctdxcc _______________________________________________ CTDXCC mailing list CTDXCC at lists.kkn.net https://lists.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/ctdxcc From w4wj at aol.com Mon Jul 8 18:44:49 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 22:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: Funeral for Former POW/Remains Recovered: Billy Joe Butler, Kerrville Resident References: <1233434040.2958514.1562625889231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1233434040.2958514.1562625889231@mail.yahoo.com> FYI... Korean POW, Kerrville resident, funeral and military burialfollowing identification of remains... 73DonW4WJ From: tking at gillespiecounty.org To: tking at gillespiecounty.org Sent: 7/8/2019 10:43:54 AM Central Standard Time Subject: Funeral for Former POW/Remains Recovered: Billy Joe Butler, Kerrville Resident Hi Veterans, ? Thank you to Frank Walker for this notification.?? ? The remains of Billy Joe Butler, POW, were returned from North Korea recently and he was a Kerrville resident.? ? ? Funeral Services will take place on Friday, July 26, 2019 at 10AM in the main chapel at Kerrville Funeral Home, 1221 Junction Highway, Kerrville TX 78028. Internment will follow at Nichols Cemetery with full military honors. Directions to the?Nichols Cemetery:?? It is on Junction Hwy between?Kerrville?and Ingram.? Coming from?Kerrville?it is on the left.? Look for large stone pillars with a large metal arch with the words Nichols Cemetery at the entrance.? This is the link:??https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1221+Junction+Hwy,+Kerrville,+TX+78028/nichols+cemetery+kerrville+tx/@30.0660638,-99.2104503,14z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x865be28ce0aa4ae7:0x65ad97e357cf9f69!2m2!1d-99.1691845!2d30.0608659!1m5!1m1!1s0x865958f4022e2983:0x6ba23d7ad26d939f!2m2!1d-99.2174567!2d30.0710801!3e0 ? Below is the obituary: ? ? | Billy?Joe?Butler April?13,?1931?-?January?27,?1951 | | WASHINGTON-- The Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) announced today that Army Cpl. Billy J. Butler, 19, of Kerrville, Texas, killed during the Korean War, was accounted for on April 29, 2019. In late 1950, Butler was a member of Company C, 2nd Engineer Combat Battalion, 2nd Infantry Division, engaged in combat operations against the enemy near Kujang, North Korea. On Nov. 28, 1950, his unit's defensive positions were attacked and he was captured by the Chinese People's Volunteer Force (CPVF.)? Following the war, returning American prisoners reported that Butler died in January 1951, at the prisoner of war camp in Pukchin-Tarigol, North Korea, known by some as Hofong Camp. On March 15, 1954, the U.S. Army declared Butler deceased as of Jan. 27, 1951. On July 27, 2018, following the summit between President Trump and North Korean Chairman Kim in June 2018, North Korea turned over 55 boxes, purported to contain the remains of American service members killed during the Korean War. The remains arrived at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii on Aug. 1, 2018, and were subsequently accessioned into the DPAA laboratory for identification. To identify Butler's remains, scientists from DPAA used anthropological analysis, as well as circumstantial and material evidence. Additionally, scientists from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner System used mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) analysis. Today, 7,652 Americans remain unaccounted for from the Korean War. Using modern technology, identifications continue to be made from remains that were previously returned by Korean officials, recovered from Korea by American recovery teams, or disinterred from unknown graves. Butler's name is recorded on the Courts of the Missing at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific in Honolulu, along with the others who are missing from the Korean War. A rosette will be placed next to his name to indicate he has been accounted for. For family contact information, contact the Army Casualty office at (800) 892-2490. A visitation will take Thursday, July 25, 2019 from 5PM-7PM? Funeral Services will take place on Friday, July 26, 2019 at 10AM in the main chapel at Kerrville Funeral Home, 1221 Junction Highway, Kerrville TX 78028. Internment will follow at Nichols Cemetery with full military honors. Arrangements are under the direction and personal care of the professionals at Kerrville Funeral Home (830) 895-5111. | | ? | Thank you, ? ? Tami King, U. S. 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It can?t work any better than that. 73, Gary J NA3VY ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From john at ac4ca.us Mon Jul 15 20:28:52 2019 From: john at ac4ca.us (John AC4CA) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:28:52 -0500 Subject: [HCARC] Photos of Antenna Work at New Repeater Site Message-ID: <000001d53b6d$725f2610$571d7230$@ac4ca.us> This album has a public link. Let me know if you have any problem seeing the photos. John/AC4CA https://photos.app.goo.gl/GktjXnmiPhcPL4tB8 From w4wj at aol.com Tue Jul 16 19:08:31 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: [CTDXCC] ARRL Board of Directors to Meet July 19-20 - POSSIBLE VOTE ON EFFECTIVELY ECNRYPTED DATA References: <965064297.1367735.1563318511905.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <965064297.1367735.1563318511905@mail.yahoo.com> Please read and act before Friday. 73DonW4WJ From: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Reply-to: tsrwvcomm at aol.com To: pvrc at mailman.qth.net, ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net, tsrwvcomm at aol.com Sent: 7/16/2019 6:00:00 PM Central Standard Time Subject: [CTDXCC] ARRL Board of Directors to Meet July 19-20 - POSSIBLE VOTE ON EFFECTIVELY ECNRYPTED DATA Dear Colleagues: ? There is an important upcoming ARRL board meeting on Friday July 19, 2019?3 days from now. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/2019%20Board%20of%20Directors/01%20Agenda%202019%20July%20Board%20Meeting.pdf ? Please spread the word to forums and clubs, and please take a few moments for our wonderful avocation. ? For the first time ever, there may be ?a vote on ?effectively encrypted? data in ham radio at the ARRL Board meeting- just in a few days! ? You can see what is happening at ARRL and Winlink/ARSFI and what they are telling the FCC! It is quite revealing, and is why you must write ARRL directors today ***before the board meeting** about what you want for the future of ham radio! https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/107152292806056 ? Although many ARRL directors and hams around the world know that Pactor and other Winlink data signals cannot be decoded over the air by others (no one has reported the W1AW Pactor or other Winlink modes can intercept other Winlink traffic over the air!), some people still ?claim? to the FCC that, through contrived experiments, there is ?nothing there to see?: https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1071540521688/FCCCommentJuly2019.pdf https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/10715183432187 ? After 20 years, the charade continues, even though hams and many ARRL Directors know that this stuff, which is 20 year old technology, cannot be decoded by others over the air, even if you have a Pactor modem or another Winlink sound card. https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/1222718116209 http://www.pactor.com/ ? Please write the ARRL DIRECTORS before the board meeting this Friday ? let your voice be heard on what you want for ham radio. ? Let the ARRL Board know that ham radio should be open for all, with all transmitted data readily available for open decoding, for meaning, ?by any listener over the air. ?This is the only way our avocation can self-police, ensure transparency in all that happens on our airwaves, ensure emergency assistance when needed, and keep out business and commercial bypass. All of the ARRL director addresses are easily found and pasted into your email at: https://wireless-girl.com/ARRL_officers.html (refresh your browser at that page). ? PLEASE, today, urge the ARRL Directors to **end the use of ham radio as a common carrier email system***. Please spread the word to all hams you know, and urge that the current ARRL directors vote for all data to be open and transparent for over-the-air intercept. ? Hopefully, with many , many simple emails to the ARRL Directors: ?(1) expressing your desire to have them represent our hobby and take actions such that all radio transmissions may be received over the air in an open, transparent way, and (2)protesting the use of ham radio ?as a pseudo-commercial email system that lets ham radio be used to provide email service to any non-ham and to any business, including spam, ?without any human oversight of the emails that go out over the air. ? ? In taking a few minutes out of your day for our hobby, please think how NOT addressing this issue could impact the future of our country, our hobby, and our amateur radio spectrum for the long term. thanks for your interest and for spreading the word before Friday. ? ? 73 ted n9nb _______________________________________________ CTDXCC mailing list CTDXCC at lists.kkn.net https://lists.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/ctdxcc From w4wj at aol.com Thu Jul 18 09:47:15 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: [CTDXCC] FYI for your network References: <957504389.1868629.1563457635068.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <957504389.1868629.1563457635068@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all... Another email from Ted, N9NB. If you are interested, here is his bio page.Ted is very involved in the wireless rf industry and is technically very competent. https://www.google.com/search?q=ted+rappaport&rlz=1C1CHJY_enUS418US418&oq=ted+rappaport&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4393j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Ted is warning of the push by those within the ARRLthat want to OK the use of encrypted digital systems within the amateur radio service. At the moment Ted points out that there are Winlink systems in use by amateurs that are encrypted. So, do you want encrypted systems within theamateur service, or should all amateur transmissionsbe in the clear? Here is your last chance to send a note to our divisiondirector regarding your thoughts on the items mentionedin the following email from Ted, N9NB. We are in the WEST GULF DIVISIONand our Division Director is: Director:? John Robert Stratton N5AUS PO Box 2232 Austin, TX 78768 jrs at hamradio.us.com ? You can also write to the Division Vice Director: Vice Director: Lee H. Cooper, W5LHC 2507 Autrey Drive Leander TX 78641 lcooper at arrl.org Be sure to look at the items that are in Ted's mostrecent email below. TNX for your time. 73DonW4WJ From: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Reply-to: tsrwvcomm at aol.com To: pvrc at mailman.qth.net, PVRCNC at mailman.qth.net, ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Sent: 7/17/2019 8:41:22 PM Central Standard Time Subject: [CTDXCC] FYI for your network Before the ARRL meeting tomorrow, please be sure that you, and everyone you know in ham radio, write to all ARRL Directors to uphold our government's regulations for our hobby. And please ask everyone you know to support RM-11831 and reject WT 16-239 at the FCC ECFS! Here is why. Feel free to alert others! As discussed below....... Interesting story about Winlink email usage in the amateur radio spectrum. https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/wireless/is-ham-radio-a-hobby-a-utilityor-both-a-battle-over-spectrum-heats-up.amp.html And then today we have this completely inaccurate account of the failed ARRL negotiations being perpetrated by ARSFI/ Winlink's email-in-chief, and a vow by the Midwest director K9XA to vote at the ARRL board meeting this week for adding more effectively encrypted email traffic into ham radio - claiming yet again there is "'nothing here to see"https://groups.io/g/pactor/topic/32506458#956 Then see this bold text: ? 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a)?No?amateur stationshall transmit: (1)?Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this part; (2)?Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; (3)?Communications in which the station licensee or?control operator?has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer, with the following exceptions: (i)?A station licensee or station?control operatormay participate on behalf of an employer in an emergency preparedness or disaster readiness??testor drill, limited to the duration and scope of such??test?or drill, and operational testing immediately prior to such??test?or drill.??Testsor drills that are not government-sponsored are limited to a total time of one hour per week; except that no more than twice in any calendar year, they may be conducted for a period not to exceed 72 hours. (ii)?An?amateur operatormay notify other?amateur operators?of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an?amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis. (iii)?A?control operatormay accept compensation as an incident of a teaching position during periods of time when an?amateur station?is used by that teacher as a part of classroom instruction at an educational institution. (iv)?The?control operatorof a club station may accept compensation for the periods of time when the station is transmitting telegraphy practice or information bulletins, provided that the station transmits such telegraphy practice and bulletins for at least 40 hours per week; schedules?operations?on at least six??amateur service?MF and HF bands using reasonable measures to maximize coverage; where the schedule of normal operating times and frequencies is published at least 30 days in advance of the actual transmissions; and where the??control operator?does not accept any direct or indirect compensation for any other service as a??control operator. (4)?Music using a?phoneemission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act;?messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein;?obscene or indecent words or language;?or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification. (5)?Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services ====Then consider: Here are other radio service alternatives that may be used regularly for email (e.g., that are in FCC radio services such as Part 80 and Part 90 that are not hobby, ham-to-ham communications as required by Part 97 ): ?www.ocens.com https://sailmail.com/ https://www.iridium.com/solutions/maritime/leisure/ _______________________________________________ CTDXCC mailing list CTDXCC at lists.kkn.net https://lists.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/ctdxcc From sgriffin1 at windstream.net Sat Jul 20 10:23:44 2019 From: sgriffin1 at windstream.net (Steve) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:23:44 -0500 Subject: [HCARC] Apollo 11 Message-ID: <89F7182C-B5CA-4679-86E6-328299D56EC7@windstream.net> If anybody?s interested N5A is home 14.248 A good solid 59 signal of mine g5rv jr and also W4A is on 14.290 and a good 57 signal WD5ENH Steve Sent from my iPhone From w4wj at aol.com Wed Jul 24 11:26:34 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: MAJOR CHANGE: Funeral for Billy Joe Butler, Korean War POW References: <1607635571.3662452.1563981994908.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1607635571.3662452.1563981994908@mail.yahoo.com> To take place in Kerrville... 73DonW4WJ From: tking at gillespiecounty.org To: tking at gillespiecounty.org Sent: 7/24/2019 9:55:17 AM Central Standard Time Subject: MAJOR CHANGE: Funeral for Billy Joe Butler, Korean War POW Please see the changes of funeral location and where to line up on the streets in Kerrville for the procession.? Large crowds are anticipated. ? According to today's The Kerrville Daily Times and The Hill Country Community Journal the funeral services have been changed to the First United Methodist Church, 321 Thompson Drive to accommodate the anticipated large turnout.? Overflow crowd will be seated in the fellowship hall where they can watch the service live on large screen tvs. The remains will arrive today escorted by police, sheriff and DOT vehicles will? at approximately 1300.? The procession will exit I-10 at Sydney Baker Street to Junction Hwy. then down Junction Hwy to the Kerrville Funeral Home, 1221 Junction Hwy.? Individuals are encourage to line Junction Hwy from HEB down to Walmart from 1300-1330.? The funeral home is across from Walmart. Visitation at the funeral home will be on 25?Jul from 1700-1900. Services at 1000, 26?Jul at the church are expected to last 30-40 minutes followed by procession to Nichols Cemetery, 2900 Junction Hwy. Members of the public may line Junction Hwy from the funeral home to the cemetery.? All are encouraged to wave the national colors. ? ? Thank you to Frank Walker for keeping us updated on the changes. Thank you, Tami King, U. S. Navy Retired Accredited VA Representative: Texas Veterans Commission, VFW, American Legion,?National Assoc. of County Veterans Service Officers Gillespie County Veterans Service Officer 102 E. San Antonio St., Suite B? ?Fredericksburg, TX? 78624????????????? Office: (830)997-3758? ? ? ? ?Email:? tking at gillespiecounty.org Gillespie County Website: http://www.gillespiecounty.org/page/Veterans_Service_Office_homepage Veterans Service Office FACEBOOK Page: https://www.facebook.com/Gillespie-County-Texas-Veterans-Service-Office-863904867020153/ From w4wj at aol.com Thu Jul 18 15:52:12 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: [CTDXCC] How Winlink effectively encrypts- in their own words ..... In-Reply-To: <60D5C09A-D772-4D8E-AFAC-483734229877@aol.com> References: <60D5C09A-D772-4D8E-AFAC-483734229877@aol.com> Message-ID: <141429178.2019097.1563479532129@mail.yahoo.com> More information from Ted, N9NB regardingWinlink encryption in the amateur service. 73DonW4WJ From: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Reply-to: tsrwvcomm at aol.com To: ctdxcc at lists.kkn.net Sent: 7/18/2019 2:05:38 PM Central Standard Time Subject: [CTDXCC] How Winlink effectively encrypts- in their own words ..... The use of ARQ and Proprietary compression and FEC together make it virtually impossible for hams to intercept the over the air signals for meaning. This is a violation of Part 97.113(a)4 and enables many more violations,?Including illegal 3rd party messages from "non-hams to hams" and vice versa. This is not about Pactor 4, it's about *any* mode that cannot be intercepted for meaning. AMBE and Fusion are easily decoded using an available chip, Winlink data modes cannot be intercepted for meaning over the air. Period. Even given what they have published and claim is documented. Read this to learn more, and see how even if a compression scheme is fully publicly known, the use of ARQ with FEC and compression provides an illegal "security by obscurity". It's like knowing how a "zip file" works is public, but missing just one bit makes it impossible to open the zip file for a 3rd party observer, while the lone secret recipient has the knowledge of that one missing bit, and recovers the secret file. That's how Winlink data transmissions work in ham radio. ?See this confession, and let all of Hamdom and ARRL board members know about this. Here's the entire email thread of Winlink programmers and users discussing "getting around FCC rules," and how hard it is to decode for meaning ARQ with compression, minus the re-quoted messages.? ? See how Winlink ARSFI board member Tom Whiteside wants to change the topic and End the Thread!? ? Is this what we want for ham radio? Is this an open use of the spectrum? Let your ARRL board members and the FCC ECFS today know that you support RM-11831 and the requiment of only open, transparent data for over the air copy, and urge rejection of WT 16-239. ?Security by obscurity???is mentioned here. These are emails from yahoo groups in 2016. Spread rhe word--hams need to see this confession and inform ARRL board members and the FCC about such this activity in ham radio. ? 73, ted N9NB ? | Subject:? | [Winlink_Programs_Group] Digest Number 2817 | | Date:? | 5 Sep 2016 02:29:46 -0000 | | From:? | Winlink_Programs_Group at yahoogroups.com | | Reply-To:? | No Reply? | | To:? | Winlink_Programs_Group at yahoogroups.com | 3? Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Sun Sep?4,?2016 11:31?am (PDT) . Posted by:? steve_k6eta Is there a way to directly monitor/decode WINMOR traffic heard on the air? Can a terminal or chat program connect to 127.0.0.1 port 8500 on a machine running an instance of the WINMOR TNC similar to the ARDOP Chat situation?? Thanks,? Steve K6ETA? 2a? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Tue Sep?6,?2016 9:56?am (PDT) . Posted by:? steve_k6eta I hear crickets chirping... heh.? I would presume we get around the ?97.113 (4) edict that prohibits "messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning" by allowing a sysop to monitor his/her relayed traffic?? It would be nice to provide a way to allow the larger amateur community to decode and monitor WINMOR transmissions. I imagine this opens up a can of worms with PACTOR, but at least anyone who wants to spend big $$$ on a PACTOR modem should be able to monitor??? Aside from wishing to monitor other WINMOR traffic to better understand propagation and QTH of stations, it would also be nice to assure that the system isn't being used for prohibited transmissions (information for pecuniary interest, re-transmission of programs, etc.)? I suppose it could be argued that ?97.219 (b) covers the potential abuses and lays all of the enforcement responsibilities on the shoulders of the sysop. If would be nice, however, if other stations could help in this regard by providing a way for wider monitoring... just a thought. Reply to sender?.?Reply to group?.?Reply via Web Post?.?All Messages (5)?.?Top ^ 2b? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Tue Sep?6,?2016 11:24?am (PDT) . Posted by:? "Hal" hal_merritt 97.113 (4) does not apply since there is nothing being encoded for the? purpose of obscuring meaning. The encoding is for the purposes of speed and? accuracy. And possibly for testing purposes. The ways to monitor PACTOR traffic involve licensed technology. If you want? to use the technology, then you must pay for it. Nothing illegal there.? Anyone who wants to monitor WINMOR / ARDOP is free to write the software.? The waveform specs are published. That said, *I think* that the terms of? the WINMOR license prohibit commercial use, so no one can build and sell a? decoding device/software. They would have to give it away or at least share? the proceeds. I think. SYSOPs can monitor all the traffic if they wish, and many do. hal kd5hw 2c? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Tue Sep?6,?2016 1:30?pm (PDT) . Posted by:? la7um As I see it, this is based on the principle of F6FBB which was used in packet radio BBSs from the 80/90ies. Compression for the sake of speed and accuracy, protocoll published, and sysops could read all.? 73 de LA7UM Finn 2d? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Tue Sep?6,?2016 6:51?pm (PDT) . Posted by:? "Matthew Pitts" daywalker_blade_2004 Finn, Yes, F6FBB was involved with the development, but you can't get certain folks in the US outside of Winlink to understand that the data compression used by Winlink is the same as what's used by pretty much every packet BBS out there because they do not want to believe anything of the sort. Just like they refuse to accept that a majority of whatever interference they experience is simply a matter of the infamous "hidden transmitter effect" where one side of a QSO can be heard and triggers the busy channel detection, but when the other station transmits, the ACDS station thinks the channel is clear and transmits in reply to a connect request. Matthew Pitts N8OHU 1a? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Wed Sep?7,?2016 2:49?am (PDT) . Posted by:? daveskolnick ---In?Winlink_Programs_Group at yahoogroups.com, wrote :? > I would presume we get around the ?97.113 (4) edict that prohibits "messages? > encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning" by allowing a sysop to? > monitor his/her relayed traffic?? It doesn't apply so we aren't getting around anything.? > It would be nice to provide a way to allow the larger amateur community to? > decode and monitor WINMOR transmissions.? Other commenters have missed an important point. The protocol retransmits packets not received by the intended receiver. There is no guarantee that a monitor will get all the packets. That makes reassembly of the entire message problematic. A monitor can get most of the message but may well not get all of it. This is the case with any ARQ protocol including PACTOR and packet.? 73 es sail fast de dave KO4MI? S/V Auspicious? 1b? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Wed Sep?7,?2016 5:11?am (PDT) . Posted by:? "Christopher Story" radionerds All, I've kinda held back on this one as I'm new to the forum, but I think I can contribute here.. I've written many parsers for networking and application protocols for capture applications like wireshark. In a few cases there were lots of pushback on doing so because it was felt that the complexity of the protocol, sequences, structure and compression contributed to its security (security by obscurity) even though it was fully documented. What we have are people who want to "see all" without having to do a protocol analysis. They want someone else to do the heavy lifting and make it easy. Part 97 says nothing about easy, just that the meaning isn't intentionally being encrypted. Additionally it also doesn't say that it needs to be "readable" by all hams, really that it just needs to be readable by the fcc. If the fcc wanted to monitor winmor they can do so, it's documented Chris K6RWJ 1c? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Wed Sep?7,?2016 8:51?am (PDT) . Posted by:? "W6IDS" w6ids2003 AHHH! Some fresh air. . . . .. thank you Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN 2? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? END OF THREAD please Wed Sep?7,?2016 5:30?am (PDT) . Posted by:? "Tom Whiteside" n5tw Thanks for the comments on this but let?s move on to other topics. END OF THREAD. Tom N5TW 2a? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Sat Sep?10,?2016 10:23?pm (PDT) . Posted by:? steve_k6eta Thanks and understood.? OK, so if we read Part 97 to mean that the FCC, not all hams and SWL stations, should be able to monitor the traffic, I can see how the burden is lifted for encoding software (binary, PACTOR, WINMOR, etc) to provide a general means for monitoring. It's published and the FCC could monitor if they wish. I agree with this logic.? So then my request becomes something more like, "gee, it sure would be nice to have someone write software that could be used to monitor such traffic..." and again, I agree that is simply a request thrown out there.? But what I hope is obvious is that this isn't just a personal request for the convenience of just a one or a few stations. Hopefully everyone can see how this would benefit the quality and security of our allocated band spectra in an era where the FCC is scaling back on enforcement?? Thanks everyone,? Steve K6ETA 1a? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic?? Sun Sep?11,?2016 1:14?am (PDT) . Posted by:? "Rick Muething" kn6kb Steve (K6ETA), The problem of monitoring ARQ transmissions is a technical one...not? just software. If two stations are connected in an ARQ session? forwarding messages each has the ability to request a repeat of a data? frame (through the ARQ mechanism) until it gets a proper frame decode.? This is the basic mechanism that all ARQ systems (and BBSs that use ARQ)? work. It applies to Pactor, WINMOR, the new ARDOP in development etc. Also Winlink and other BBS systems often use binary encoded compression.? This takes a simple text message (or attached text or other file) and? compressed it (something like ZIP) for transmission. This can save? typically 50% on text messages and more (or less) on other file types.? But if just one byte of the compressed message is not received correctly? it is impossible (well at least VERY difficult) to decompress the? message and get the original text or compressed files. A station? monitoring such a transmission would have to receive EVERY ARQ frame? perfectly without being able to request a repeat from the sending? station. (ARQ occurs only between the TWO connected? stations...monitoring stations can't request a repeat) So while it is technically feasible to monitor and decode (there is no? encryption of the message ...that is illegal on ham frequencies) it is? extremely difficult to recover a message completely by just monitoring.? With a lot of work and fancy software it might be possible to recover? parts of a message that is compressed but that is not very practical and? would require some tricky software (decompression with missing data) to? get anything. Hope this clears things up a bit. 73, Rick Muething, KN6KB Winlink developer and author of WINMOR and ARDOP ? 3a? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Fri Oct?21,?2016 3:19?pm (PDT) . Posted by:? steve_k6eta Hi Rick,? Understood. As with any monitoring process, some info will certainly be lost due to condx. I wasn't hoping to reconstruct partially rx'd frames, just the ability to decode fully copied ones...? Again, many thanks for your development efforts - I'm enjoying ARDOP Chat and can't wait to see ARDOP released on Winlink Express! My RMS will finally be 100% low-power once I can get rid of the Windows hogs! Even the Windows tablet I have for WINMOR (everything else is RPi) is a drag on my solar powered batteries...? ARDOP is a godsend!? -Steve K6ETA ? 3b? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Fri Oct?21,?2016 3:54?pm (PDT) . Posted by:? "Christopher Story" radionerds Rick is quite right regarding the difficulty is assembling error correcting transmissions.. about 20 years ago i wrote a "man in the middle" monitoring application for a proprietary data transfer protocol. It was difficult to say the least and we were using perfect capture files, where data fidelity is 100% from the monitoring applications perspective. With an over the air protocol you have that plus transmission path issues. I shutter thinking about re-assembling that. Someone would need to open their checkbook with at least a 50% deposit to start.. Chris STORY K6RWJ 3c? Re: Monitoring WINMOR traffic? Fri Oct?21,?2016 6:50?pm (PDT) . Posted by:? "Matthew Pitts" daywalker_blade_2004 Plus, with an ARQ protocol, you have to know or be able to figure out the actual data rate including any FEC, and operating bandwidth, on the fly while trying to decode it. Even having every aspect of it published it's not going to be an easy task. Matthew PittsN8OHUCo-developer of ARDOP _______________________________________________ CTDXCC mailing list CTDXCC at lists.kkn.net https://lists.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/ctdxcc From ab5ebdxer at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 09:22:48 2019 From: ab5ebdxer at gmail.com (Mike Crownover) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:22:48 -0500 Subject: [HCARC] KX5BSA Bear Creek Scout Ranch Message-ID: Hello, I am new to the list and would like to ask the group a question regarding the Amateur Radio station at Bear Creek Scout Ranch in Hunt. Over the past year or so I have worked with several other hams to install a permanent radio station at the camp. It is housed in the Astronomy Building and consist of 30ft of Rohn tower and a JK multiband beam and 40m dipole. I am looking for hams that are interested in working with the Scout Camp to teach the Radio Merit Badge over summer camp sessions and possibly use the facility for Jamboree on The Air (JOTA). To be allowed on the camp you must be a registered Scout and take a online "Youth Protection Course". If you would be interested in carrying on this project please let me know and I can help get you access to the station. If there is enough interest I could work on presenting the idea and more information about the station and goals at an upcoming meeting. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you are interested. 73 Mike AB5EB