From curtiswe at ktc.com Wed Feb 13 05:51:37 2019 From: curtiswe at ktc.com (Curtis) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:51:37 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] RepeaterBook Message-ID: W3XO and K5KSH Repeaters are now showing in the RepeaterBook app. Sent from my iPhone From hankpac at yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 13:07:50 2019 From: hankpac at yahoo.com (Hank Ortega) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Gary Williams References: <356808803.414309.1550081270925.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <356808803.414309.1550081270925@mail.yahoo.com> I met a guy name of Gary Williams who buys and sells stuff. He bought a storage locker in Fredericksburg, last month, which had a bunch of Ham equipment in it, including tubes and radios, and antennas.?He is looking for someone to test for function on some equipment including the tubes, and is willing to pay for time (test bench fee).?His number is 512-695-4241. He isn't looking for valuations, just function testing. He is not a ham, not interested in becoming one, he just wants to sell his stuff.?I do not know the gentleman, merely met him at the sale.?He asked me to pass his number on, which I have.?I have not inspected any of the equipment. I don't know what's there. I only saw some of it in the storage unit at the sale.Thanks.? From dale.gaudier at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 13:20:42 2019 From: dale.gaudier at gmail.com (Dale Gaudier) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 12:20:42 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] test Message-ID: Reflector test - K4DG From w4wj at aol.com Thu Feb 14 12:19:54 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 17:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Fwd: [SFDXA] US Navy Explores Amateur Radio as a Training Adjunct References: <2062596840.1042374.1550164794722.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2062596840.1042374.1550164794722@mail.yahoo.com> FYI... 73DonW4WJ From: bmarx at bellsouth.net To: sfdxa at mailman.qth.net, qcwa69 at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/14/2019 11:10:49 AM Central Standard Time Subject: [SFDXA] US Navy Explores Amateur Radio as a Training Adjunct >From Tony N2MFT: ? ? US Navy Explores Amateur Radio as a Training Adjunct 02/13/2019 The US Navy?s Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division (*NAWCWD* ) has adopted Amateur Radio training as a possible new approach to basic RF and electronics instruction. More than 20 NAWCWD employees took part in a week-long class in Point Mugu, California, in December. The class, which culminated in an examination session for the Technician licensed, offered NAWCWD employees a novel approach to teaching radio propagation, said Brian Hill, KF4CAM, the lead for electromagnetic maneuver warfare experimentation in the Avionics, Sensors and E*Warfare Department. Hill, who got his license while he was still in high school, is also the department?s ?innovation ambassador.? ?I looked at the breakdown of current new hires and saw that many had degrees in computer science and thought that their classwork might not have covered things like RF propagation,? Hill said. Rather than have employees sit through hours of /PowerPoint/ briefings, Hill thought that a licensing course might be a more dynamic, hands-on approach to convey the basics ? and cover areas such as directional antennas, signal propagation, and modulation that are necessary for their work. Initially, Hill had 10 class slots funded, but then Target Design Engineering Branch Head Ian Mann, KI6YVO, got wind of the class, saw its potential, and helped get funding to expand participation. Mann, a General-class licensee and a ham for nearly 10 years, said he?s been able to apply knowledge learned in the class to his NAWCWD work. Target Systems Division head Milton Gabaldon, also saw merit in the approach. He sat in on the classes, took the exam, and he?s now KM6YPA. For him, it?s about connecting the dots. ?It?s about introducing people to electronics, to start understanding what RF is all about ?so when we talk about it in the test and evaluation world, [students] know what we?re talking about,? Gabaldon said. ?They get a better view than ?I just do software.? Now they see ?My software controls this piece, which sends out RF jamming signals that protect the warfighter.? That?s the most important takeaway.? In all, 23 employees who took the Technician exam passed, and several also successfully tested at for General and Amateur Extra licenses. Hill hopes to offer more hands-on classes in the future, and he?s planning a Fox Hunt for the near future, as additional hands-on training. /? Thanks to NAWCD and Public Affairs Officer Kimberly Brown; some information from *C4ISRNet* / http://www.arrl.org/news/us-navy-explores-amateur-radio-as-a-training-adjunct ______________________________________________________________South Florida DX Assoc. "SINCE 1974"SFDXA WebSite: http://www.SFDXA.comSFDXA Repeater 147.33+ 103.5 ToneTo Post: mailto:SFDXA at mailman.qth.netTo UNSUBSCRIBE/EDIT: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/sfdxaThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net From n5baa at hctc.net Thu Feb 14 20:05:48 2019 From: n5baa at hctc.net (Gary Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:05:48 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Great Buys on Used Radios OR Why Your Legacy Radio Isn't Holding It's Value Message-ID: <5E9F15D8E1EF4C50AC475103AFB632DA@GaryPC> Sad but true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPox0gr4tEc That no one in the club jumped on the Yaesu FT-1000MP Gen 5 for $1100.00 (with no tax or shipping) can only be explained by the above video. This radio goes on Ebay this weekend. Someone will get a sweet deal on a pristine 200W DX and Contest quality radio. Starr: advertise this radio around KARS and STXDXCC please. 73, Gary J NA3VY From n5baa at hctc.net Sat Feb 16 19:32:37 2019 From: n5baa at hctc.net (Gary Johnson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:32:37 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Message-ID: <0B4541FD7FA848E98510CD9E36BAB6BB@GaryPC> The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary J NA3VY From tower2 at stx.rr.com Sun Feb 17 12:38:23 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 11:38:23 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite In-Reply-To: <0B4541FD7FA848E98510CD9E36BAB6BB@GaryPC> References: <0B4541FD7FA848E98510CD9E36BAB6BB@GaryPC> Message-ID: <001801d4c6e7$96810590$c38310b0$@rr.com> Too bad, we are not in its foot print. There is a web site to see what is going on in it. Hv -----Original Message----- From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 6:33 PM To: hcarc at mailman.qth.net Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary J NA3VY ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w4wj at aol.com Sun Feb 17 15:00:58 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite References: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814@mail.yahoo.com> Unfortunately not visible here.? Way below our horizon. 73DonW4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR? https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ ? enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary JNA3VY ______________________________________________________________HCARC mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarcHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kerryk5ks at hughes.net Sun Feb 17 15:23:00 2019 From: kerryk5ks at hughes.net (Kerry) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:23:00 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite In-Reply-To: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1067339971.625854.1550433658814@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83eed69c-7cce-0dfa-d94e-1fd4a6376ca0@hughes.net> Where is your ham spirit - a little more power, a little bigger antenna and a little higher antenna should do the trick!? Be the first to use meteor scatter to get into the bird. On 2/17/2019 2:00 PM, Don Murray via HCARC wrote: > Unfortunately not visible here.? Way below our horizon. > > 73DonW4WJ > In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: > > The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. > > > > The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR? https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ ? enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. > > > The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. > > 73, > Gary JNA3VY > > ______________________________________________________________HCARC mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarcHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > HCARC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n5baa at hctc.net Sun Feb 17 17:59:03 2019 From: n5baa at hctc.net (Gary Johnson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 16:59:03 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite In-Reply-To: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1067339971.625854.1550433658814@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Who launched it or did it goes astray?? 73, Gary J NA3VY From: w4wj at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PM To: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Unfortunately not visible here. Way below our horizon. 73 Don W4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary J NA3VY ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tower2 at stx.rr.com Sun Feb 17 20:02:32 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 19:02:32 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <1067339971.625854.1550433658814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1067339971.625854.1550433658814@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901d4c725$a246bfd0$e6d43f70$@rr.com> Es'hail 2 is a planned communication satellite operated by Es'hailSat, the Qatar Satellite Company. It will also feature an radio amateur payload. The geostationary satellite Es'hail-2 carrying amateur radio transponders launched from Kennedy Space Center at 20:46 GMT on Thursday, November 15, 2018 The story behind the name Traditionally, the sighting of Es?hail brings happiness as it means that winter is coming and that good weather will soon be with us. We hope that the arrival of Es?hailSat will equally be beneficial for the satellite community. As one of the developing regions of the world, the Middle East has come a long way in terms of economic development and now the region is looking to invest in new and diverse industries ? one of which is satellite. With a significant demand for satellite services, there is opportunity for new operators. Satellite Evolution EMEA takes a look at new player Es?hailSat as we begin our journey in the satellite industry. HV From w4wj at aol.com Sun Feb 17 20:17:18 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 01:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite References: <1719649248.717353.1550452638869.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1719649248.717353.1550452638869@mail.yahoo.com> Gary... The URL referenced is a UK site, so I will assumethat this is a British built satellite.? Oh, I see thatAMSAT-DL (Germany_ provided the technical lead.So, many hands involved in getting this thing onthe road! Let me correct that.? The Oscar 100 "satellite"is a "unit" that occupies space on a commercialbroadcast satellite.? It is a "passenger" in allrespects.? So, it is not a "satellite" per se...it is a "repeater" sharing space on a "tower"that is in a geostationary orbit.? ;-) 25.9 degrees?East, puts the satellite?in a stationary position approx 22,236?miles above the equator overthe North central?part?of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.? If you?look at a map...? The city of Kisangani, is located about?0.5 degrees North of the equator and at 25.19 degrees?East of the prime meridian. If you looked at the referenced URL, the "bullseye"on the map is the orbital position of the satellite.By international regulations, that satellite mustbe kept "on station" within a box 50 miles on a side.This is to avoid any chance of a collision with anothersatellite. So, a ham in Kisangani, would point his antenna, for thisgeostationary amateur satellite, STRAIGHT UP!!! Because the earth is not a perfect sphere, all satellites"wander" and must be kept under control from theirground station.? The ground station not only monitorsthe "health" of all the on board systems, but also keepstrack of the satellite position...? allowing it to "drift"from the 25.9 degrees East Longitude and 0 degreesLatitude, but not beyond the assigned box limits. Position adjustments are made by "thrusters"on the satellite.? The thrusters can emit ions to adjust?satellite motion to bring it back to the nominal 25.9 by 0 homeplate. The satellite was launched from Europe's Spaceportin French Guiana, South America. The 25.9 Eastorbital position had been pre-assigned. I hope this is not TMI Gary!!! 73DonW4WJ ? In a message dated 2/17/2019 4:59:29 PM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: Who launched it or did it goes astray?? 73, Gary JNA3VY From: w4wj at aol.comSent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PMTo: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Unfortunately not visible here.? Way below our horizon. 73DonW4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR? https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ ? enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary JNA3VY ______________________________________________________________HCARC mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarcHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n5baa at hctc.net Mon Feb 18 09:15:24 2019 From: n5baa at hctc.net (Gary Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 08:15:24 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite In-Reply-To: <1719649248.717353.1550452638869@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1719649248.717353.1550452638869.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1719649248.717353.1550452638869@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I assume then that the satellite can be hit by the British and Europe as well as Africa, or they have done the Africans a great service. There is never too much information. I passed this on because I know Hams have been anxiously awaiting geo-stationary sats for a long time. I make little enough use of our earth bound repeater and have no equipment to hit a satellite although one that stays in place makes it far easier. I also try to put information on the Reflector in order to stimulate its use. That more club members (especially newer people) don?t use it is so sad. They should trust me when I say that if you ask a question on the Reflector, you will likely end up with too much info vs too little being provided. However you can always ask the Don?s, Dale?s and Kerry?s of the world to add a Gary J ?simplified answer? at the end of the tech dissertation. One of the main things getting my Extra Ticket taught me was how little I really know, but like my college degrees taught, is where to go to find the answer needed and enough knowledge to be able to ask a question. 73, Gary J NA3VY From: w4wj at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:17 PM To: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Gary... The URL referenced is a UK site, so I will assume that this is a British built satellite. Oh, I see that AMSAT-DL (Germany_ provided the technical lead. So, many hands involved in getting this thing on the road! Let me correct that. The Oscar 100 "satellite" is a "unit" that occupies space on a commercial broadcast satellite. It is a "passenger" in all respects. So, it is not a "satellite" per se... it is a "repeater" sharing space on a "tower" that is in a geostationary orbit. ;-) 25.9 degrees East, puts the satellite in a stationary position approx 22,236 miles above the equator over the North central part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. If you look at a map... The city of Kisangani, is located about 0.5 degrees North of the equator and at 25.19 degrees East of the prime meridian. If you looked at the referenced URL, the "bullseye" on the map is the orbital position of the satellite. By international regulations, that satellite must be kept "on station" within a box 50 miles on a side. This is to avoid any chance of a collision with another satellite. So, a ham in Kisangani, would point his antenna, for this geostationary amateur satellite, STRAIGHT UP!!! Because the earth is not a perfect sphere, all satellites "wander" and must be kept under control from their ground station. The ground station not only monitors the "health" of all the on board systems, but also keeps track of the satellite position... allowing it to "drift" from the 25.9 degrees East Longitude and 0 degrees Latitude, but not beyond the assigned box limits. Position adjustments are made by "thrusters"on the satellite. The thrusters can emit ions to adjust satellite motion to bring it back to the nominal 25.9 by 0 home plate. The satellite was launched from Europe's Spaceport in French Guiana, South America. The 25.9 East orbital position had been pre-assigned. I hope this is not TMI Gary!!! 73 Don W4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 4:59:29 PM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: Who launched it or did it goes astray?? 73, Gary J NA3VY From: w4wj at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PM To: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Unfortunately not visible here. Way below our horizon. 73 Don W4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary J NA3VY ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n5baa at hctc.net Mon Feb 18 09:27:54 2019 From: n5baa at hctc.net (Gary Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 08:27:54 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Good Question Example Message-ID: This is from Tower Talk, but a good example of questions for the Relector nonetheless. I guarantee someone in a club of over 110 members is asking this very question. I am doing this very thing with bringing electrical and coax into my Mobile Comms trailer. ?Does anyone have any references to good examples or best practices for setting up a flexible, maintainable system for cable entry into (residential) buildings at or close to ground level? Thanks es 73, How many cables? Do you want to be able to disconnect at entry? How big a hole in the wall do you want? A good way is to mount a suitable large electrical enclosure into the wall with an aluminum back plate. Door to the outside You ground the back plate and install bulkhead connectors on it. Then, you drill holes in the bottom of the box (outside the wall) to route the cables through, perhaps with some grommets/foam/etc to keep crud out. You can open the door to get access to the connectors. But this is big/expensive - if you don't mind exposing the connectors to the elements, then setting an aluminum panel into the wall, with appropriate caulking/weather sealing works.? 73, Gary J NA3VY From tower2 at stx.rr.com Mon Feb 18 10:52:10 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:52:10 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Good Question Example In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01d4c7a1$ea0e6120$be2b2360$@rr.com> In my location I have an outside brick wall on the outside of my east side without windows. This was a two car garage that was enclosed in 1994 after we moved in. There was no insulation in the outside walls until the enclosure. My operating position is next to that wall. So I was able to access that wall from the eave overhang on the outside and run cables down the inside of the wall. On the inside wall I made a cut out and mounted an aluminum panel about 18 in. W. by 21 in. H. (thanks to Dale and his band saw) All the cables come thru the panel and connect to surge arrestors on the panel which has a ground wire to a stake in the ground outside. Short jumper coaxes go the radios and amplifier which can be disconnected from the arrestors in case of threatening weather storms. I had one lightning strike before the panel was installed which did quite a bit of damage in the rest of the house. Several minor units were damaged in the radio position. One fiber glass enclosed 2 M/70 CM antenna on the top of the tower was shattered and I was finding bits of white fiber glass around that side of the house for quite a while. Hv -----Original Message----- From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Johnson Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 8:28 AM To: hcarc at mailman.qth.net Subject: [HCARC] Good Question Example This is from Tower Talk, but a good example of questions for the Relector nonetheless. I guarantee someone in a club of over 110 members is asking this very question. I am doing this very thing with bringing electrical and coax into my Mobile Comms trailer. ?Does anyone have any references to good examples or best practices for setting up a flexible, maintainable system for cable entry into (residential) buildings at or close to ground level? Thanks es 73, How many cables? Do you want to be able to disconnect at entry? How big a hole in the wall do you want? A good way is to mount a suitable large electrical enclosure into the wall with an aluminum back plate. Door to the outside You ground the back plate and install bulkhead connectors on it. Then, you drill holes in the bottom of the box (outside the wall) to route the cables through, perhaps with some grommets/foam/etc to keep crud out. You can open the door to get access to the connectors. But this is big/expensive - if you don't mind exposing the connectors to the elements, then setting an aluminum panel into the wall, with appropriate caulking/weather sealing works.? 73, Gary J NA3VY ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kerryk5ks at hughes.net Mon Feb 18 12:53:14 2019 From: kerryk5ks at hughes.net (Kerry) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:53:14 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite In-Reply-To: References: <1719649248.717353.1550452638869.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1719649248.717353.1550452638869@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3923d5dd-4576-8255-16ef-6b0589aa8a52@hughes.net> You really need to stop relying on ham sites for real information. Es'hail 2 was launched by SpaceX on a Falcon 9 from Kennedy Space Center.? The satellite was built by Mitsubishi Electric for Qatar Satellite Company.? It carries Ka and Ku transponders and covers the Middle East and North Africa. The commercial satellite bands are an interference limited environment.? Multiple transponders are operating on the same frequency in essentially the same location.? They are separated by one of two orthogonal polarizations and by spot beams covering different areas of the earth.? I don't know about the antenna the ham transponder is using but the commercial transponders will not provide coverage in Europe. On 2/18/2019 8:15 AM, Gary Johnson wrote: > I assume then that the satellite can be hit by the British and Europe as well as Africa, or they have done the Africans a great service. There is never too much information. I passed this on because I know Hams have been anxiously awaiting geo-stationary sats for a long time. I make little enough use of our earth bound repeater and have no equipment to hit a satellite although one that stays in place makes it far easier. > > I also try to put information on the Reflector in order to stimulate its use. That more club members (especially newer people) don?t use it is so sad. They should trust me when I say that if you ask a question on the Reflector, you will likely end up with too much info vs too little being provided. However you can always ask the Don?s, Dale?s and Kerry?s of the world to add a Gary J ?simplified answer? at the end of the tech dissertation. One of the main things getting my Extra Ticket taught me was how little I really know, but like my college degrees taught, is where to go to find the answer needed and enough knowledge to be able to ask a question. > > 73, > > Gary J > NA3VY > > From: w4wj at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:17 PM > To: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite > > Gary... > > The URL referenced is a UK site, so I will assume > that this is a British built satellite. Oh, I see that > AMSAT-DL (Germany_ provided the technical lead. > So, many hands involved in getting this thing on > the road! > > Let me correct that. The Oscar 100 "satellite" > is a "unit" that occupies space on a commercial > broadcast satellite. It is a "passenger" in all > respects. So, it is not a "satellite" per se... > it is a "repeater" sharing space on a "tower" > that is in a geostationary orbit. ;-) > > 25.9 degrees East, puts the satellite in a stationary > position approx 22,236 miles above the equator over > the North central part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. If you look at a map... The city of Kisangani, > is located about 0.5 degrees North of the equator and > at 25.19 degrees East of the prime meridian. > > If you looked at the referenced URL, the "bullseye" > on the map is the orbital position of the satellite. > By international regulations, that satellite must > be kept "on station" within a box 50 miles on a side. > This is to avoid any chance of a collision with another > satellite. > > > So, a ham in Kisangani, would point his antenna, for this > geostationary amateur satellite, STRAIGHT UP!!! > > Because the earth is not a perfect sphere, all satellites > "wander" and must be kept under control from their > ground station. The ground station not only monitors > the "health" of all the on board systems, but also keeps > track of the satellite position... allowing it to "drift" > from the 25.9 degrees East Longitude and 0 degrees > Latitude, but not beyond the assigned box limits. > > Position adjustments are made by "thrusters"on the > satellite. The thrusters can emit ions to adjust satellite > motion to bring it back to the nominal 25.9 by 0 home > plate. > > > The satellite was launched from Europe's Spaceport > in French Guiana, South America. The 25.9 East > orbital position had been pre-assigned. > > I hope this is not TMI Gary!!! > > 73 > Don > W4WJ > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/17/2019 4:59:29 PM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: > > Who launched it or did it goes astray?? > > 73, > > Gary J > NA3VY > > From: w4wj at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PM > To: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite > > Unfortunately not visible here. Way below our horizon. > > > 73 > Don > W4WJ > > > In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: > > The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. > > > > > The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. > > > > The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. > > > 73, > > Gary J > NA3VY > > > ______________________________________________________________ > HCARC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > HCARC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w4wj at aol.com Mon Feb 18 19:20:34 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite References: <394882590.1338993.1550535634257.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <394882590.1338993.1550535634257@mail.yahoo.com> Gary... First off let me say that Harvey put up the correct information on the?launch facility.? I was looking at the first satellite that Qatar launched.? ;-) If you will go look at the URL again: https://eshail.batc.org.uk/ If you look at the map, you will see that the footprint coversa huge area.? All of Africa, out past the edge of the mid-east,touches the most eastern part of south america, and a mostof Europe. Please note the red and green lines.? The red line denotes themaximum area of access for the C-Band transponders. Teleports,(uplink antennas) are not allowed to access C-Band transponders if the transmit antenna must go below 5 degrees elevation toinput the satellite.? The 10 degree limit is for Ku-Band. If you?are outside the red line, you cannot legally access the satellite. As far as receiving is concerned, below 5 degrees elevationon C-Band there will be problems.? Reception may be impaired because the dish is so close to the ground and the side lobeswill pick up ground noise, which will degrade the performanceof the receiving system.? Ditto the 10 degrees on Ku-Band receive. But as you can see... a teleport in Eastern South America couldaccess either C-Band or Ku-Band transponders legally! The info available says that the commercial target of thesatellite is to provide DTH (DIRECT TELEVISION to HOME)service to the mid-East and North Africa.? No service toSub-Saharan Africa is shown on any of the footprint maps. 73DonW4WJ In a message dated 2/18/2019 8:15:23 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: I assume then that the satellite can be hit by the British and Europe as well as Africa, or they have done the Africans a great service.? There is never too much information.? I passed this on because I know Hams have been anxiously awaiting geo-stationary sats for a long time.? I make little enough use of our earth bound repeater and have no equipment to hit a satellite although one that stays in place makes it far easier. I also try to put information on the Reflector in order to stimulate its use.? That more club members (especially newer people) don?t use it is so sad.?? They should trust me when I say that if you ask a question on the Reflector, you will likely end up with too much info vs too little being provided.?? However you can always ask the Don?s, Dale?s and Kerry?s of the world to add a Gary J ?simplified answer? at the end of the tech dissertation.? One of the main things getting my Extra Ticket taught me was how little I really know, but like my college degrees taught, is where to go to find the answer needed and enough knowledge to be able to ask a question. 73, Gary JNA3VY From: w4wj at aol.comSent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:17 PMTo: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Gary... The URL referenced is a UK site, so I will assumethat this is a British built satellite.? Oh, I see thatAMSAT-DL (Germany_ provided the technical lead.So, many hands involved in getting this thing onthe road! Let me correct that.? The Oscar 100 "satellite"is a "unit" that occupies space on a commercialbroadcast satellite.? It is a "passenger" in allrespects.? So, it is not a "satellite" per se...it is a "repeater" sharing space on a "tower"that is in a geostationary orbit.? ;-) 25.9 degrees East, puts the satellite in a stationary position approx 22,236 miles above the equator overthe North central part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.? If you look at a map...? The city of Kisangani, is located about 0.5 degrees North of the equator and at 25.19 degrees East of the prime meridian. If you looked at the referenced URL, the "bullseye"on the map is the orbital position of the satellite.By international regulations, that satellite mustbe kept "on station" within a box 50 miles on a side.This is to avoid any chance of a collision with anothersatellite. So, a ham in Kisangani, would point his antenna, for thisgeostationary amateur satellite, STRAIGHT UP!!! Because the earth is not a perfect sphere, all satellites"wander" and must be kept under control from theirground station.? The ground station not only monitorsthe "health" of all the on board systems, but also keepstrack of the satellite position...? allowing it to "drift"from the 25.9 degrees East Longitude and 0 degreesLatitude, but not beyond the assigned box limits. Position adjustments are made by "thrusters"on the satellite.? The thrusters can emit ions to adjust satellite motion to bring it back to the nominal 25.9 by 0 homeplate. The satellite was launched from Europe's Spaceportin French Guiana, South America. The 25.9 Eastorbital position had been pre-assigned. I hope this is not TMI Gary!!! 73DonW4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 4:59:29 PM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: Who launched it or did it goes astray?? 73, Gary JNA3VY From: w4wj at aol.comSent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PMTo: n5baa at hctc.net ; hcarc at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [HCARC] Geostationary Ham Satellite Unfortunately not visible here.? Way below our horizon. 73DonW4WJ In a message dated 2/17/2019 9:46:22 AM Central Standard Time, n5baa at hctc.net writes: The first geostationary amateur radio transponder OSCAR-100 (P4-A) is on the air. The OSCAR-100 Narrowband WebSDR? https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/ ? enables you to listen to the OSCAR-100 Narrow band transponder onboard the Es'hail-2 satellite. The satellite is in geostationary orbit at 25.9? E. 73, Gary JNA3VY ______________________________________________________________HCARC mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarcHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w4wj at aol.com Fri Feb 22 02:24:27 2019 From: w4wj at aol.com (w4wj at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HCARC] Baofeng Help Needed References: <88502944.3438133.1550820267843.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88502944.3438133.1550820267843@mail.yahoo.com> Need help with Baofeng UV-5RA programming. Anybody up to speed on this? 73DonW4WJ From brown.stokes at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 08:44:17 2019 From: brown.stokes at gmail.com (Brown Stokes) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:44:17 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] Baofeng Help Needed In-Reply-To: <88502944.3438133.1550820267843@mail.yahoo.com> References: <88502944.3438133.1550820267843.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <88502944.3438133.1550820267843@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This method works for me, give it a try, and let me know. Brown Stokes N5FDR 1. Confirm radio function is in Frequency mode, upper display. 2. Turn off ?Dual Watch? by pressing menu, 7, menu, arrow off, menu, exit. (Turn this back on after programming is complete). 3. (A clear channel is needed to program successfully). Delete the desired memory channel by pressing menu, 28, menu, channel number to delete, menu, exit. 4. Select RECEIVE CTCSS. Press menu, 11, menu, desired CTCSS tone, menu, exit. 5. Select TRANSMIT CTCSS. Press menu, 13, menu, desired CTCSS tone, menu, exit. 6. Enter RECEIVE Frequency. Then, to enter it into a Memory Channel, press menu, 27, menu, desired channel number (the one you just deleted), menu, exit. 7. Enter TRANSMIT Frequency. Then, press menu, 27, menu, same channel number, menu, exit. *The radio is now programmed. * Turn on ?Dual Watch.? *Switch radio function back to Memory Mode, and enter desired Memory Channel. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:34 AM Don Murray via HCARC wrote: > Need help with Baofeng UV-5RA programming. > > > Anybody up to speed on this? > > 73DonW4WJ > ______________________________________________________________ > HCARC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From csm_hipskind at suddenlink.net Fri Feb 22 12:36:18 2019 From: csm_hipskind at suddenlink.net (Terry Hipskind) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:36:18 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] EchoLink Message-ID: <000c01d4cad5$1e8e3cf0$5baab6d0$@suddenlink.net> EchoLink is up and running. The Red Cross firewall was preventing full functionality (most could not access the server but some could). Because of this, EchoLlink has been moved back to my home where it has been working for the last three days. Please try EchoLink and let me know (email ? my iPhone is dead) if you encounter any problems. Terry Hipskind ? W?HIP From tower2 at stx.rr.com Fri Feb 22 20:59:40 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:59:40 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] EchoLink In-Reply-To: <000c01d4cad5$1e8e3cf0$5baab6d0$@suddenlink.net> References: <000c01d4cad5$1e8e3cf0$5baab6d0$@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <008a01d4cb1b$71b0ba70$55122f50$@rr.com> Thanks for taking care of that, Terry. 73 Hv -----Original Message----- From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Hipskind Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 11:36 AM To: hcarc at mailman.qth.net Subject: [HCARC] EchoLink EchoLink is up and running. The Red Cross firewall was preventing full functionality (most could not access the server but some could). Because of this, EchoLlink has been moved back to my home where it has been working for the last three days. Please try EchoLink and let me know (email ? my iPhone is dead) if you encounter any problems. Terry Hipskind ? W?HIP ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From alan at primecone.com Sun Feb 24 15:36:56 2019 From: alan at primecone.com (alan at primecone.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:36:56 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR Message-ID: <001f01d4cc80$af931840$0eb948c0$@primecone.com> Can anyone help me program my YAESU VX-8DR? The problem: I can not open the K5KSH repeater. My computer has programmed a "USER CTCSS AT 1600 HZ. I have tried to remove the entry, but to no avail. All other computer entries appear to be on target. 73 Alan Cone K5AFC From tower2 at stx.rr.com Sun Feb 24 17:39:14 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:39:14 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR In-Reply-To: <001f01d4cc80$af931840$0eb948c0$@primecone.com> References: <001f01d4cc80$af931840$0eb948c0$@primecone.com> Message-ID: <004b01d4cc91$c6401640$52c042c0$@rr.com> Can you go through the manual for setting the tone, etc., starting on page 34 in the manual? It talks about setting Tone Frequency and Tone Mode. Hv I just figured out how to set my radios to that odd split frequency by changing my step size to 6.25 kHz. Hv -----Original Message----- From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of alan at primecone.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 2:37 PM To: HCARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR Can anyone help me program my YAESU VX-8DR? The problem: I can not open the K5KSH repeater. My computer has programmed a "USER CTCSS AT 1600 HZ. I have tried to remove the entry, but to no avail. All other computer entries appear to be on target. 73 Alan Cone K5AFC ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tower2 at stx.rr.com Mon Feb 25 14:36:30 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:36:30 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] ISS CONTACT Message-ID: <004101d4cd41$69dff400$3d9fdc00$@rr.com> STARTING 1338 THERE WILL BE A ISS VOICE CONTACT WITH A SCHOOL. LISTEN 145.800+/- MHZ. HV From tower2 at stx.rr.com Mon Feb 25 15:25:34 2019 From: tower2 at stx.rr.com (Harvey N. Vordenbaum) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:25:34 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] ISS CONTACT In-Reply-To: <004101d4cd41$69dff400$3d9fdc00$@rr.com> References: <004101d4cd41$69dff400$3d9fdc00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <005801d4cd48$4476e910$cd64bb30$@rr.com> Sorry, NA1ISS could not make contact with the school for some unknown reason. I was getting NA1SS full scale on my 2M satellite antenna. Hv -----Original Message----- From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harvey N. Vordenbaum Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 1:37 PM To: HCARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET Subject: [HCARC] ISS CONTACT STARTING 1338 THERE WILL BE A ISS VOICE CONTACT WITH A SCHOOL. LISTEN 145.800+/- MHZ. HV ______________________________________________________________ HCARC mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From curtiswe at ktc.com Tue Feb 26 10:25:29 2019 From: curtiswe at ktc.com (Curtis) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:25:29 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR In-Reply-To: <004b01d4cc91$c6401640$52c042c0$@rr.com> References: <001f01d4cc80$af931840$0eb948c0$@primecone.com> <004b01d4cc91$c6401640$52c042c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: If my memory is correct, ?no guarantee there!? On a Yaesu HT, you can?t edit an existing memory channel. Start in frequency mode, enter all the information then save it on to the existing channel number, overwriting he original information. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Harvey N. Vordenbaum wrote: > > Can you go through the manual for setting the tone, etc., starting on page > 34 in the manual? It talks about setting Tone Frequency and Tone Mode. > Hv > I just figured out how to set my radios to that odd split frequency by > changing my step size to 6.25 kHz. > Hv > > -----Original Message----- > From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] > On Behalf Of alan at primecone.com > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 2:37 PM > To: HCARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET > Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR > > Can anyone help me program my YAESU VX-8DR? > > The problem: I can not open the K5KSH repeater. > > My computer has programmed a "USER CTCSS AT 1600 HZ. > > I have tried to remove the entry, but to no avail. > > All other computer entries appear to be on target. > > > > 73 > > > > Alan Cone K5AFC > > ______________________________________________________________ > HCARC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > HCARC mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From alan at primecone.com Tue Feb 26 20:39:03 2019 From: alan at primecone.com (alan) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:39:03 -0600 Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201902270139.x1R1d7E1028629@atl4mhob14.registeredsite.com> BUMMER.? It could be that I just can not trigger it from my home.? I will go to town and try.Alan K5AFCSent via my Samsung Galaxy, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Curtis Date: 2/26/19 9:25 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "Harvey N. Vordenbaum" Cc: alan at primecone.com, HCARC at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR If my memory is correct, ?no guarantee there!? On a Yaesu HT, you can?t edit an existing memory channel. Start in frequency mode, enter all the information then save it on to the existing channel number, overwriting he original information.Sent from my iPhone> On Feb 24, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Harvey N. Vordenbaum wrote:> > Can you go through the manual for setting the tone, etc., starting on page> 34 in the manual?? It talks about setting Tone Frequency and Tone Mode.> Hv> I just figured out how to set my radios to that odd split frequency by> changing my step size to 6.25 kHz.> Hv> > -----Original Message-----> From: hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net]> On Behalf Of alan at primecone.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 2:37 PM> To: HCARC at MAILMAN.QTH.NET> Subject: [HCARC] HELP PROGRAM VX-8DR> > Can anyone help me program my YAESU VX-8DR?> > The problem: I can not open the K5KSH repeater.> > My computer has programmed a "USER CTCSS AT 1600 HZ.> > I have tried to remove the entry, but to no avail.> > All other computer entries appear to be on target.> > > > 73> > > > Alan? Cone?????????? K5AFC> > ______________________________________________________________> HCARC mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > ______________________________________________________________> HCARC mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/hcarc> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:HCARC at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html