[HCARC] Successful Antenna Raising And Special Thanks To Club Member

Tue Sep 23 08:05:57 EDT 2014

I had a 5BTV 35 years ago.  The only adjustment I recall was for the 80 M whip on top to set the part of 80/75 M I wanted to operate.
I started out with it at ground level which worked fairly well although surrounded by trees.  Then I thought raising it up would make it better and put it on a mast about 10 ft. high, and with radials for each band.  It didn't resonate in any band at all.  Then I mounted it on the roof and it was fine.  In the next house location I put it at ground level with radials and it was fine also.  Of course it was no comparison to the beam and tower I put up later.
Prime propagation time there in 1982.  Worldwide propagation on 10 M at night sometimes.
hv
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From: HCARC [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary J - N5BAA
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
To: john at janeandjohn.org; hcarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [HCARC] Successful Antenna Raising And Special Thanks To Club Member

No John - 5BTV is not more cantankerous - it's a 4BTV with an added 80 meter resonator at the top.  What is more "cantankerous" is when New-Tronics used to sell the antennas direct they pre-tuned the antenna pretty well before they shipped it to you.  Now that they sell via DX Engineering, they have skipped the tuning at the factory (cost of labor) and they just put it together and send it to DX Engineering.  Added to the problem is two conflicting manuals included with the antenna - one from the manufacturer saying "Don't move the traps under penalty of voiding your warranty".  You might guess whose instructions we originally followed and it wasn't DX Engineerings!!!  Voiding warranty's certainly gets my attention.  I did ask DX Engineering why they didn't get with New-Tronics and come up with agreeing manuals and they started giving me the Lawyer excuse.  Go Figure in todays world.

Gary J
N5BAA

-----Original Message-----
From: John Canfield
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:59 PM
To: hcarc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [HCARC] Successful Antenna Raising And Special Thanks To Club Member

Maybe the 5BTV is more particular and cantankerous than the 4BTV.  Years ago I had a roof-mounted 4BTV with radials and I certainly don't remember any tuning issues with it.  Glad you got it going!

John
WB5THT

On 9/22/2014 3:46 PM, Gary J - N5BAA wrote:
> Well with a certain amount of angst and frustration over conflicting 
> manuals from DX Engineering and the manufacturer of Hustler 5BTV 
> antennas
> (New-Tronics) we (Tony Moore, Gordon Green, and myself) were with a 
> couple of hours of intensive antenna radial theory and practical 
> instruction by Dale Gaudier, able to get Gordon Greens Hustler 5BTV 
> vertical up and with SWR’s of between 1:1 and about 2.1:1 across the 
> complete bands of 10,12,15,17,20, and 40 meters and tunable SWR’s 
> across much of the voice section of 80 meters.  Our first attempts at 
> elevating the antenna (per the manual – they recommend roof top 
> mounting (fogetabout it)) with tuned elevated radials met with disaster – SWR’s 8-10:1 across most all bands.
> Seems that both manuals conflict about tuning the traps on 10/15/20 
> with DX Engineering saying Yes you have to and New-tronics manual 
> saying “Don’t touch the traps or you void the warranty”.  BTW, we 
> ended up ground mounting the antenna with tuned radials – four per 
> band, except for 12 and
> 17 which didn’t need any at all – I guess they were happy with all the 
> other ones that were close to their length (10/15/20).  12 and 17 
> meters are added to the antenna by attaching two 1/4 wave wires on 
> standoffs parallel to the antenna.

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