[HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET

Wed Nov 26 01:47:55 EST 2014

Does a Fusion equipped repeater require a Fusion radio, or will it pass 
simple voice from a normal hand held 2 meter rig too as the repeater 
currently does??  Yaesu and I think Kenwood are Fusion and Icom is something 
else that's been around longer.  Reminds me of Betamax vs ?? video from 
years ago.  Besides letting Marilyn send Harvey a picture of the shopping 
list he left on the table, what will it do to improve our already underused 
2 meter system in place now??  Or is this another place to help fund radio 
mfgrs bottom line??

Gary J
N5BAA

"Amateur radio--a real time social network using radio waves"

-----Original Message----- 
From: kd5wdq .
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To: Kerry Sandstrom
Cc: Reflector
Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET

I disagree, the point of Fusion is voice AND data.

Right now, pictures and user info is being transferred, but one
knows that it's the future applications that count.  Like remote
control of HF via Fusion or the (fill in the blank).

Sure, there's a weakness of people on the repeater everywhere,
yet if you provide more features, it will be used.  That is actually
happening in San Antonio now.   Linking is probably the nicest
thing about Fusion (and sharing data with the links).

--eddie af5sa

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Kerry Sandstrom <kerryk5ks at hughes.net>
wrote:

> Bill and HCARC,
>
> I'm moderately active on our club repeater.  Despite the fact that I
> believe we have several club members who have only 2 meter equipment, I
> just don't hear many stations on the repeater.  I don't think there is
> enough activity to support another repeater in the area.  With a digital
> repeater, I believe only a small number of the locals would purchase a
> digital 2 meter rig.
>
> That said, I think the history of digital voice on VHF has been driven by
> the manufacturers and 2-way radio people.  As i understand it, the two 
> ways
> to meet the FCC 6.25 kHz bandwidth requirement is either with a trunked
> system where several stations share a small number of channels or by using
> digital techniques.  I doubt that trunking has a role in ham radio.
> Digital could but we need to look at what the advantages/disadvantages 
> are.
>
> On the disadvantage size, interference is not obvious with digital data.
> You really need 3 pieces of information, signal to noise ratio, signal
> strength and Eb/N0 (energy per bit / noise spectral density).  You don't
> get the clues you get in an analog system where you hear the signal is
> noisy or you hear the heterodyne from another station.  Some of the
> commercial/military non-voice data systems give you this info, but I don't
> know of any ham equipment that does.  A second disadvantage is you may not
> be able to hear traffic on the channel that isn't addressed to you.
>
> On the advantage size, I don't know if it provides any better coverage
> than an analog system but it might.  I also don't know what bandwidth it
> uses, but 6.25 kHz is probably a goal.  Fortunately in our area and
> everywhere I've been recently bandwidth on 2 meters seems to not be an
> issue.  Several years ago we changed from 30 kHz channels to 15 kHz
> channels.  We also expanded the FM portion of the band from 146 - 148 MHz
> to 144.5 (?) - 148 MHz.  Now I'm lucky to hear 2 or 3 channels active in
> that whole spectrum.
>
> As everyone may or may not know, The big 3 from Japan are big in the
> two-way radio biz.  The only market for analog FM may be hams.  I'm
> convinced that most of their production is now digital VHF/UHF radios. 
> I'm
> sure they would like to get rid of the analog FM business entirely.  I
> think that is what d-star and Fusion is all about.
>
> In any event, I haven't seen anything to convince me that digital FM is
> the way to go for hams.
>
> What do the rest of you think?  From what Bill says, we may get asked if
> we are interested.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
> On 11/25/2014 12:11 PM, Bill Tynan wrote:
>
>> Hi HCARC:
>>
>>
>> Greg, N5XO is, as you can see, is very enthusiastic about this Fusion
>> business. He has been spending his own money to buy repeaters for
>> installation around the area. I don't know if he would be willing to
>> install
>> one at our site here in Kerrville or not, or if he would want some help
>> from
>> our club. I also don't know if the Club would want to put up some money
>> for
>> all or part of the cost of a Fusion repeater.
>>
>>
>> Something to think about.
>>
>>
>> I really don't know the advantages of Fusion over D-Star or why we would
>> want or need either. Again, that's something to think about.
>>
>>
>> Just thought I would pass it along.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>
>> Bill Tynan, W3XO/5
>>
>>
>>    _____
>>
>> From: N5XO [mailto:n5xo at 144200.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:37 AM
>> Subject: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>
>>
>> Good morning ladies and gentleman...
>>
>>
>>                          Unless you have been buried in a snow drift some
>> place for the past couple of years, you have most likely heard about the
>> new
>> Yaesu System Fusion. There have been some great articles and reviews in
>> both
>> QST and CQ Magazines over the past 6 months and the Internet is filled
>> with
>> a wealth of information and reviews of the new System Fusion and the
>> products that support it.
>>
>>
>> Myself and the Unusual Suspects were blessed to been selected as part of
>> the
>> original Yaesu Fusion BETA Team and as such we were able to upgrade our
>> 443.025 Repeater to a new Yaesu System Fusion Repeater back in early 
>> March
>> of 2014 and have been working {and playing} with the Fusion Radio' s and
>> System for some time before everything entered into the general public.
>>
>>
>> We have bought into the System Fusion Project so deeply that we have
>> purchased 3 additional repeaters and are in the process of building a
>> linked
>> network of repeaters that will be offering Amateur Radio Operators with a
>> continuous communication system {Analog or Digital} through out the
>> region.
>>
>>
>> We are hoping that our enthusiasm is infectious and that the Unusual
>> Suspects can play a major roll in promoting this exciting new mode of
>> operating for not only our local region but Central Texas.
>>
>>
>> Over the past month I have seen signs that many Hams are picking up 
>> Fusion
>> Radio's in one form or another, and that the excitement and energy is
>> increasing, or repeater activity is seeing more and more increased 
>> Digital
>> Activity.
>>
>>
>> With our strong lead in this new technology, the Unusual Suspects intend
>> on
>> taking the lead in promoting and putting to use this new technology. With
>> this in mind we are very excited to inform everyone of an all new net 
>> that
>> will be starting this evening.
>>
>>
>>
>> EVERY TUESDAY EVENING AT 7:PM
>>
>> ON 443.025 {GROUP MODE}
>>
>>
>> THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS PRESENT THE
>>
>>
>> FUSION NET
>>
>>
>> We intend on making the most of this technology and so we will be 
>> checking
>> into this net in a totally new fashion.
>>
>>
>> To join the Fusion Net this evening, please put your radio in Group mode.
>> This will display your call sign for the Net Control Operator to log
>> everyone in and allow everyone to see who is on the net.
>>
>>
>> This net will be focusing on the technology
>>
>>
>> We will be sending out over the repeater several TEXT reminders today for
>> the net.
>>
>>
>> again the Unusual Suspects are proud to take the System Fusion Lead and
>> present
>>
>>
>> The Fusion Net
>>
>> 443.025 Group Mode
>>
>> TUESDAY EVENINGS @ 7:PM
>>
>>
>> NET CONTROL: Tim N9RO
>>
>>
>> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NET TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO HAVE 
>> YAESU
>> FUSION RADIOS TO JOIN US TONIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT CLUB AFFILIATION THEY
>> ARE,
>> THE UNCLUB IS FOR EVERYONE WITH EVERYONE WELCOME TO JOIN IN.
>>
>>
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