Duh! I got keyboard keys mixed up and CW key and Radio mixed up. Oh well.. Thanks for setting me straight, Tom.. Darwin (Dar) Piatt W9HZC -----Original Message----- From: Tom Martin [mailto:temartin2 at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:24 PM To: Piatt, Darwin Subject: RE: [HBQRP] SKN Dar: I think the key is a j-38 and the s-38 was the trusty hallicrafters receiver