From geraldj at netins.net  Wed Jul  3 21:41:46 2013
From: geraldj at netins.net (Dr. Gerald N. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:41:46 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
Message-ID: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>

73, Jerry, K0CQ


From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Wed Jul  3 22:31:48 2013
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 22:31:48 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
Message-ID: <51D4DE94.3030504@lightlink.com>

Dr. Gerald N. Johnson wrote:
> 73, Jerry, K0CQ

Dormant. It's been about a year and a half since the last traffic I 
saved on this list. It was an announcement about Raspberry Pi.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

From geraldj at netins.net  Wed Jul  3 23:45:13 2013
From: geraldj at netins.net (Dr. Gerald N. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 22:45:13 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D4DE94.3030504@lightlink.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net> <51D4DE94.3030504@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <51D4EFC9.70509@netins.net>

Perhaps we should talk Linux for ham applications. Some time ago I had 
decent results using puppy linux and FLdigi for HF digital modes. The 
FT-857's line in and out made for a simple cable not needing isolation 
transformers and the 857's digital vox kept it very simple.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

On 7/3/2013 9:31 PM, Bob McConnell wrote:
> Dr. Gerald N. Johnson wrote:
>> 73, Jerry, K0CQ
>
> Dormant. It's been about a year and a half since the last traffic I
> saved on this list. It was an announcement about Raspberry Pi.
>
> Bob McConnell
> N2SPP
>


From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Thu Jul  4 11:01:44 2013
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:01:44 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D4EFC9.70509@netins.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net> <51D4DE94.3030504@lightlink.com>
	<51D4EFC9.70509@netins.net>
Message-ID: <51D58E58.6040808@lightlink.com>

Dr. Gerald N. Johnson wrote:
> Perhaps we should talk Linux for ham applications. Some time ago I had 
> decent results using puppy linux and FLdigi for HF digital modes. The 
> FT-857's line in and out made for a simple cable not needing isolation 
> transformers and the 857's digital vox kept it very simple.
> 
> 73, Jerry, K0CQ
> 

I've been thinking about something similar. Most of my computers are 
running Slackware and I have an ICOM 706 buried in the back room. I 
hadn't set it up due to antenna restrictions that have only recently 
been rescinded. I have been keeping track of the fldigi releases as well 
as other similar packages, but haven't had time to play around with 
them. I thought that would change when I retired, but we still haven't 
finished catching up with all the projects that we put on hold while I 
was still working. A lot of our time since has been spent visiting with 
our grandchildren.

The overall plan includes erecting a Shakespeare III whip, hooking up 
the 706 and one of the computers so I can get the receive side working. 
Then I have to take the general exam so I can get busy on HF. In the 
meantime, I have some 2M transceivers and a pair of UDS 202T modems for 
packet and APRS. I'm not sure what I am going to connect them with to 
capture that traffic though.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

From geraldj at netins.net  Thu Jul  4 12:11:18 2013
From: geraldj at netins.net (Dr. Gerald N. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D58E58.6040808@lightlink.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
	<51D4DE94.3030504@lightlink.com>	<51D4EFC9.70509@netins.net>
	<51D58E58.6040808@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <51D59EA6.6000305@netins.net>



On 7/4/2013 10:01 AM, Bob McConnell wrote:
> Dr. Gerald N. Johnson wrote:
>> Perhaps we should talk Linux for ham applications. Some time ago I had
>> decent results using puppy linux and FLdigi for HF digital modes. The
>> FT-857's line in and out made for a simple cable not needing isolation
>> transformers and the 857's digital vox kept it very simple.
>>
>> 73, Jerry, K0CQ
>>
>
> I've been thinking about something similar. Most of my computers are
> running Slackware and I have an ICOM 706 buried in the back room. I
> hadn't set it up due to antenna restrictions that have only recently
> been rescinded. I have been keeping track of the fldigi releases as well
> as other similar packages, but haven't had time to play around with
> them. I thought that would change when I retired, but we still haven't
> finished catching up with all the projects that we put on hold while I
> was still working. A lot of our time since has been spent visiting with
> our grandchildren.
>
> The overall plan includes erecting a Shakespeare III whip, hooking up
> the 706 and one of the computers so I can get the receive side working.
> Then I have to take the general exam so I can get busy on HF. In the
> meantime, I have some 2M transceivers and a pair of UDS 202T modems for
> packet and APRS. I'm not sure what I am going to connect them with to
> capture that traffic though.

I know the 202T uses the same tones as 1200 baud packet, but I don't 
recall anyone using those for packet in recent decades. It was so much 
handier to use a TNC with all the ham radio packet details in the 
firmware, my first one was a Heathkit, then later other TNC2 versions. 
In Linux most of the basis of the packet format is in the TCP/IP package 
except that the address field for packet can be much longer and be 
alphanumeric. Longer to accomodate ham calls and digipeaters. I haven't 
been on VHF packet in several years now, I moved and the local activity 
wasn't heavy. The computer side with a TNC is simple, just an ASCII 
serial communications program works, its handy to have one to capture to 
files sometimes. I had one running I wrote, probably in CP/M or MS DOS 
that would monitor weather data on APRS that I ran for years, thinking 
the data might be useful for a weather forecasting client, but I found 
the ham weather stations to be way different from NWS observations even 
on days when conditions should have been uniform over the area. The 
weather station problem was that anemometers were never at the standard 
10m height and away from buildings and trees while the thermometers were 
not shielded from solar heat hitting them directly nor at the standard 
2m height over mowed grass.

Before I moved the main hamshack computer was set up to dual boot MS-DOS 
or Fedora, but I booted it from a CD-ROM to puppy linux for using 
FLDIGI. Today I'm still surrounded by boxes of books and electronics 
parts and my hamshack is very compact, mostly a 17" square stool top 
here in my computer center where I have 4 desktops and a laptop. One 
desktop and laptop run Xp, one desktop runs windoze 98, one runs DOS-5, 
and one dual boots Fedora or OS/2. My work involves software for weather 
in OS/2 mostly though the client increasingly wants Linux versions which 
for me are a whole lot more work. I have a better compiler in OS/2 than 
in Linux and a super debugger that I live and die by. Much of the 
graphic results at www.weather.net as well as many of the text listings 
of weather are done by my software. The animated graphics are created on 
the user demand.

Today sound card software can do all that a TNC did, though I've not 
gathered any for 1200 or 9600 baud packet. I had a dedicated radio for 
9600 baud but the digipeater and bbs may not be on the air anymore.

PSK31 has the best weak signal performance on HF and FLDIGI does that 
well. FLDIGI has many modes, that I've not yet detected on the air. I've 
made PSK31 and RTTY contacts with it.

In VHF AFSK packet modes, audio levels for receive and transmit were the 
greatest difficulties for new users. Being FM with its inherent quieting 
for good S/N and with noise intolerant AFSK detectors, it is important 
to transmit nearly full modulation, not low, but excess for the 
receivers tends to cause distortion and data loss. On receive the TNC 
AFSK detector, most often a PLL needs the best possible audio S/N 
because the PLL is easily kicked out of lock by noise. It helps a great 
deal that the packet radio protocol includes check sums in each packet 
and the receiving side must ACK or REJ each packet and those rejected 
are resent. Too much or too little transmitting and receiving audio 
levels hurts data rates. I've always suggested turning the audio up 
until there are errors, then back it off about 10%.

The rage these days on VHF with a multimode rig are the Joe Taylor modes 
that use multiple tones and very great amounts of forward error 
correction to allow working great distances with moderate power. Like 
EME with a 100 watts and a single long yagi.

My first apartment away from home 50 years ago, I fed the gutter against 
the power wiring ground. It was effective at creating TVI, but would 
have passed all antenna restrictions. Since I moved the last time I'm 
limited by laziness but am working on getting up more antennas. The 
house came with two tripods, one for horizontal TV and one for microwave 
TV. I have 2 and 70cm small yagis on a rotor on the west tripod though 
lately its not been working well, and a dual band gain vertical on the 
other tripod for FM modes. I have a 24' dipole strung between the 
tripods and use it from 40m to 6m with tuners. Its a good antenna for 15 
to 6, but short for 40m but I can make contacts there. I have the space 
for many more, should be out building antennas and supports.

73, Jerry, K0CQ
>
> Bob McConnell
> N2SPP
>


From qrv at kd4e.com  Thu Jul  4 12:34:18 2013
From: qrv at kd4e.com (qrv at kd4e.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:34:18 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D58E58.6040808@lightlink.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
	<51D4DE94.3030504@lightlink.com>	<51D4EFC9.70509@netins.net>
	<51D58E58.6040808@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <51D5A40A.3010301@kd4e.com>

I sold a bunch of stuff & bought an Icom IC-7200 - eliminated the
need for an external notch filter, it's very portable, & I really
like the user interface.

Now I need to sort out what Linux apps to use with it.  I use
two sub-versions of Puppy Linux, one for the 64-laptop and another
for the 32's.

The 7200 has a USB interface.

Also, I acquired a BeagleBone-Black and am looking at Linux on it
for the purpose of digital modes, though I have a spare laptop.

TIZEN (a fork of Linux for cellphones, etc. by Samsung and
others, is due out this Fall on phones and is already being
tested on a variety of hardware.

>> Perhaps we should talk Linux for ham applications. Some time ago I
>> had decent results using puppy linux and FLdigi for HF digital
>> modes. The FT-857's line in and out made for a simple cable not
>> needing isolation transformers and the 857's digital vox kept it
>> very simple.
>>
>> 73, Jerry, K0CQ




-- 

Thanks! & 73, KD4E.com

David Colburn - Nevils, Georgia USA

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Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22

From wrcromwell at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 14:04:24 2013
From: wrcromwell at gmail.com (Bill Cromwell)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:04:24 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.121.1372953608.21042.ham-linux@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.121.1372953608.21042.ham-linux@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <51D5B928.7060603@gmail.com>

Hi,

Well ya know,

I replaced my OS a few months ago and changed mail software since 
Evolution (in the new distribution) refused to import what it only just 
hours before exported (in the old distribution). I had to rebuild my 
directory structure and filters as the messages came. Today is the first 
message from this list so now I have the directory and filter all set.

I have started playing with the software a lot more and talking about it 
in other mail lists. I use fldigi as made for Linux in my Linux Mint OS 
and some packages that are for Windows-only running under WINE. I'll be 
looking at some more software but so far I am really liking fldigi, 
Spectran, Spectrum Lab, and ARGO. I am going to be testing fldigi and 
Spectran on an old IBM Thinkpad that would be ideal for field operations.

I wonder how many list members are running those and what results with 
some of the older hardware. I've been using fldigi for psk and rtty, as 
a panadapter and plan to use it as a digital memory keyer on CW. I have 
not found *ANY* software or machine that will reliably copy CW in the 
*REAL WORLD*. I do not use it for that. Spectran serves very well as a 
panadapter AND it has some very effective but so easy to use audio 
filtering. Spectrum Lab has the same (and much, much, much more) but has 
a steep learning curve because it does so very much more.

73,

Bill  KU8H

From geraldj at netins.net  Thu Jul  4 15:47:15 2013
From: geraldj at netins.net (Dr. Gerald N. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D5B928.7060603@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.121.1372953608.21042.ham-linux@mailman.qth.net>
	<51D5B928.7060603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D5D143.5040202@netins.net>

Machine copy of CW works good for machine sent CW, but not so good for 
hand sent. I know a local ham who barely passed the 5 wpm code test by 
good guessing at the multiple choice questions but has DXCC on CW using 
only computer copying and sending. Sometimes I've seen FLDIGI copy 
halfway decently. There is a program used for cw band surveys that 
apparently copies hand sent decently. I've forgotten its name.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

On 7/4/2013 1:04 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well ya know,
>
> I replaced my OS a few months ago and changed mail software since
> Evolution (in the new distribution) refused to import what it only just
> hours before exported (in the old distribution). I had to rebuild my
> directory structure and filters as the messages came. Today is the first
> message from this list so now I have the directory and filter all set.
>
> I have started playing with the software a lot more and talking about it
> in other mail lists. I use fldigi as made for Linux in my Linux Mint OS
> and some packages that are for Windows-only running under WINE. I'll be
> looking at some more software but so far I am really liking fldigi,
> Spectran, Spectrum Lab, and ARGO. I am going to be testing fldigi and
> Spectran on an old IBM Thinkpad that would be ideal for field operations.
>
> I wonder how many list members are running those and what results with
> some of the older hardware. I've been using fldigi for psk and rtty, as
> a panadapter and plan to use it as a digital memory keyer on CW. I have
> not found *ANY* software or machine that will reliably copy CW in the
> *REAL WORLD*. I do not use it for that. Spectran serves very well as a
> panadapter AND it has some very effective but so easy to use audio
> filtering. Spectrum Lab has the same (and much, much, much more) but has
> a steep learning curve because it does so very much more.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill KU8H
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul  4 18:44:59 2013
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:44:59 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
Message-ID: <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>

Prior to your message, Jerry, the last one was in December.

The linuxham at yahoogroups.com list seems to be the more active these days.
A lot of traffic seems to be moving to YahooGroups, since photos and 
files can be posted there.

You guys tell me if you want the list to stay around.
I'm willing to continue being the admin, if so.

73 de Jim - AD6CW


From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Thu Jul  4 20:35:51 2013
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net> <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <51D614E7.5040900@lightlink.com>

Jim Lowman wrote:
> Prior to your message, Jerry, the last one was in December.
> 
> The linuxham at yahoogroups.com list seems to be the more active these days.
> A lot of traffic seems to be moving to YahooGroups, since photos and 
> files can be posted there.
> 
> You guys tell me if you want the list to stay around.
> I'm willing to continue being the admin, if so.
> 
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW

Yahoo is not an option I can participate in. I cannot accept the 
copyright conditions in their terms of service. I actually don't see how 
anyone that reads and understands them can accept it. I won't be able to 
join them until they are compatible with some form of the Creative 
Commons licenses.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP


From qrv at kd4e.com  Thu Jul  4 20:42:43 2013
From: qrv at kd4e.com (qrv at kd4e.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:42:43 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D614E7.5040900@lightlink.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net> <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
	<51D614E7.5040900@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <51D61683.3080805@kd4e.com>

Bob,

	Can you provide a Reader's Digest/thumbnail explanation
of what that means, please?

	I really don't know.

	I'm sure most companies on the Internet have some offensive
content in their fine print ...

	I avoid google like the plague.

David

>> Prior to your message, Jerry, the last one was in December.
>>
>> The linuxham at yahoogroups.com list seems to be the more active these days.
>> A lot of traffic seems to be moving to YahooGroups, since photos and
>> files can be posted there.
>>
>> You guys tell me if you want the list to stay around.
>> I'm willing to continue being the admin, if so.
>>
>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
> Yahoo is not an option I can participate in. I cannot accept the
> copyright conditions in their terms of service. I actually don't see how
> anyone that reads and understands them can accept it. I won't be able to
> join them until they are compatible with some form of the Creative
> Commons licenses.
>
> Bob McConnell
> N2SPP



-- 

Thanks! & 73, KD4E.com

David Colburn - Nevils, Georgia USA

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Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22

From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Thu Jul  4 20:55:46 2013
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:55:46 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D61683.3080805@kd4e.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
	<51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>	<51D614E7.5040900@lightlink.com>
	<51D61683.3080805@kd4e.com>
Message-ID: <51D61992.8050304@lightlink.com>

qrv at kd4e.com wrote:
> Bob,
> 
>     Can you provide a Reader's Digest/thumbnail explanation
> of what that means, please?
> 
>     I really don't know.
> 
>     I'm sure most companies on the Internet have some offensive
> content in their fine print ...
> 
>     I avoid google like the plague.
> 
> David
> 
>>> Prior to your message, Jerry, the last one was in December.
>>>
>>> The linuxham at yahoogroups.com list seems to be the more active these 
>>> days.
>>> A lot of traffic seems to be moving to YahooGroups, since photos and
>>> files can be posted there.
>>>
>>> You guys tell me if you want the list to stay around.
>>> I'm willing to continue being the admin, if so.
>>>
>>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>
>> Yahoo is not an option I can participate in. I cannot accept the
>> copyright conditions in their terms of service. I actually don't see how
>> anyone that reads and understands them can accept it. I won't be able to
>> join them until they are compatible with some form of the Creative
>> Commons licenses.
>>
>> Bob McConnell
>> N2SPP

David,

If you read their terms, it says they can take anything you post there 
and do whatever they like with it, even sell it as their own without any 
recognition of who actually created it. I haven't seen anything that 
draconian since I signed my last employment contract (1979). But at 
least there I was being compensated for my work.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

From qrv at kd4e.com  Thu Jul  4 21:04:09 2013
From: qrv at kd4e.com (qrv at kd4e.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:04:09 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D61992.8050304@lightlink.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
	<51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>	<51D614E7.5040900@lightlink.com>
	<51D61683.3080805@kd4e.com> <51D61992.8050304@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <51D61B89.60505@kd4e.com>

I seem to recall that Instagram, or some other such company acquired
by Facebook), made the same assertion and people fled.

Google clearly has no respect for privacy.

And now we learn that those currently in control of the executive
branch in the USA believes that 100% of our electronic communication
is theres to do with as they please.

It's a very unhealthy environment out there for privacy.

Perhaps if the precise anti-intellectual privacy text from Yahoo
were more widely known people would get upset and force them to
change it.

If you can document it to me I will see if I can get that ball
rolling on Twitter & elsewhere ...

> If you read their terms, it says they can take anything you post there
> and do whatever they like with it, even sell it as their own without any
> recognition of who actually created it. I haven't seen anything that
> draconian since I signed my last employment contract (1979). But at
> least there I was being compensated for my work.
>
> Bob McConnell
> N2SPP



-- 

Thanks! & 73, KD4E.com

David Colburn - Nevils, Georgia USA

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Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22

From geraldj at netins.net  Thu Jul  4 21:21:14 2013
From: geraldj at netins.net (Dr. Gerald N. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:21:14 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net> <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <51D61F8A.1070408@netins.net>

I have access to a web page server that I also use to swap data and 
programs with a client. It has public and private sections so I can and 
do easily post photos and files.

In years past when I've tried yahoo groups, I've received excessive spam 
messages from yahoo and yahoo spammers so that I refuse to even look at 
yahoo groups that require some form of signing in.

I believe it is possible in these lists to allow limited size 
attachments, like maybe 100K maximum, but if there are still 
participants doing dial up those can be a royal pain blocking e-mail for 
extended periods, and those using smartphones sometimes run out of data 
per day without large e-mail attachments. Then there's data efficiency. 
binary attachmentts to e-mail grow about double in size because e-mail 
only guarantees the printable ASCII characters and the common control 
characters, not 8 bit binary. So 8 bit binary gets sent using only about 
70 unique characters in combinations doubling or more than doubling the 
attachment size. ftp and http downloads do come through as 8 bit binary 
so are considerably better at using the available bandwidth when its 
limited. I was limited on dial up about 7 miles from the central office, 
too far to get DSL, then I went to Verizon Wireless that has a monthly 
limit and many out in the country are using satellite services with 
daily limits and both have severe penalties when the usage goes over. 
Now I have 4 megabit service in the country with fiber to the home and 
no monthly limit so I'm nearly in heaven. I could get a higher data rate 
for more money but so for any time downloads are slow its the server at 
the source end, not the path locally.

A hazard with allowing larger attachments is that they can contain 
unfriendly parts if spammed and if there are many subscribers the main 
list server bandwidth gets eaten alive.

I noticed from the archives that the last discussion was in December. I 
think my inquiry has caused some good discussion and maybe we should 
make it point to post here to remind subscribers that its still working. 
I discovered it and 4 others that I had not moved to my new e-mail 
address because qth.net didn't send me monthly reminders of them.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

On 7/4/2013 5:44 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> Prior to your message, Jerry, the last one was in December.
>
> The linuxham at yahoogroups.com list seems to be the more active these days.
> A lot of traffic seems to be moving to YahooGroups, since photos and
> files can be posted there.
>
> You guys tell me if you want the list to stay around.
> I'm willing to continue being the admin, if so.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
>


From qrv at kd4e.com  Thu Jul  4 21:29:37 2013
From: qrv at kd4e.com (qrv at kd4e.com)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D61F8A.1070408@netins.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net> <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
	<51D61F8A.1070408@netins.net>
Message-ID: <51D62181.8020705@kd4e.com>

I like to post files & pics on my Bluehost site but need to change the
permissions on the upstream folders so people can't back-into
everything else there ...

I'd be happy to be Google and Yahoo and Microsoft-free.

That's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the TIZEN phone.

One group I am involved with is trying to port over to Wordpress
but that has proved a messy undertaking as Wordpress is not
natively well-suited for calendars with event notification push-
emails and sign-ups to participate and/or help with an event and
really isn't well-suited to simple email discussions either.

I'm not sure what non-Google, non-Yahoo, non-Microsoft alternative
there is ... I wonder if Moodle might work?

BTW: Is anyone else getting double-posts from this list?

> I have access to a web page server that I also use to swap data and
> programs with a client. It has public and private sections so I can and
> do easily post photos and files.
>
> In years past when I've tried yahoo groups, I've received excessive spam
> messages from yahoo and yahoo spammers so that I refuse to even look at
> yahoo groups that require some form of signing in.
>
> I believe it is possible in these lists to allow limited size
> attachments, like maybe 100K maximum, but if there are still
> participants doing dial up those can be a royal pain blocking e-mail for
> extended periods, and those using smartphones sometimes run out of data
> per day without large e-mail attachments. Then there's data efficiency.
> binary attachmentts to e-mail grow about double in size because e-mail
> only guarantees the printable ASCII characters and the common control
> characters, not 8 bit binary. So 8 bit binary gets sent using only about
> 70 unique characters in combinations doubling or more than doubling the
> attachment size. ftp and http downloads do come through as 8 bit binary
> so are considerably better at using the available bandwidth when its
> limited. I was limited on dial up about 7 miles from the central office,
> too far to get DSL, then I went to Verizon Wireless that has a monthly
> limit and many out in the country are using satellite services with
> daily limits and both have severe penalties when the usage goes over.
> Now I have 4 megabit service in the country with fiber to the home and
> no monthly limit so I'm nearly in heaven. I could get a higher data rate
> for more money but so for any time downloads are slow its the server at
> the source end, not the path locally.
>
> A hazard with allowing larger attachments is that they can contain
> unfriendly parts if spammed and if there are many subscribers the main
> list server bandwidth gets eaten alive.
>
> I noticed from the archives that the last discussion was in December. I
> think my inquiry has caused some good discussion and maybe we should
> make it point to post here to remind subscribers that its still working.
> I discovered it and 4 others that I had not moved to my new e-mail
> address because qth.net didn't send me monthly reminders of them.
>
> 73, Jerry, K0CQ


-- 

Thanks! & 73, KD4E.com

David Colburn - Nevils, Georgia USA

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From geraldj at netins.net  Thu Jul  4 21:42:45 2013
From: geraldj at netins.net (Dr. Gerald N. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D62181.8020705@kd4e.com>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
	<51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>	<51D61F8A.1070408@netins.net>
	<51D62181.8020705@kd4e.com>
Message-ID: <51D62495.1010301@netins.net>

I'm only getting one copy of each post. I have the list parameters set 
up so that I don't get a copy from the list when someone sends to me 
direct and the list at the same time. It can also be set so it doesn't 
echo my posts to me.

Places like netins.net which is my new e-mail server with fiber offers 
web page space for a tolerable price per month and a little bit with 
e-mail service. qth.com is another that offers accessible web space that 
can be use for ftp or http access.

I have my present web page server set up so that if one tries to go up 
from the ftp directory, one gets my base index web page and can't access 
directories that I haven't made open or given out the full url.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

On 7/4/2013 8:29 PM, qrv at kd4e.com wrote:
<SNIP>
> BTW: Is anyone else getting double-posts from this list?
>
<SNIP>


From ars.kf5gc at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 00:51:19 2013
From: ars.kf5gc at gmail.com (Barry Sherwood)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 23:51:19 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
References: <51D4D2DA.1080103@netins.net>
	<51D5FAEB.1060103@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CAAfQyn6=HJpSx8_67scVC8iGo2wo5FR+u3UYABOUNzAytTPYQA@mail.gmail.com>

Keep it going.


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Prior to your message, Jerry, the last one was in December.
>
> The linuxham at yahoogroups.com list seems to be the more active these days.
> A lot of traffic seems to be moving to YahooGroups, since photos and files
> can be posted there.
>
> You guys tell me if you want the list to stay around.
> I'm willing to continue being the admin, if so.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
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From tube.radio at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 08:36:33 2013
From: tube.radio at gmail.com (Bill Weinel)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 08:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
Message-ID: <3148176.qgbpJj9DyB@excalibur>


The last message recorded here before yours was from 12/30/12. 

However, it's good to see some activity here for a change...

73 Bill W4WHW


From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul  5 13:38:36 2013
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:38:36 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Live or deceased?
In-Reply-To: <3148176.qgbpJj9DyB@excalibur>
References: <3148176.qgbpJj9DyB@excalibur>
Message-ID: <51D7049C.3020501@sbcglobal.net>

It looks like there is some demand for the list, so I will keep it going.
It's really no burden on me.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 7/5/2013 5:36 AM, Bill Weinel wrote:
> The last message recorded here before yours was from 12/30/12.
>
> However, it's good to see some activity here for a change...
>
> 73 Bill W4WHW
>
>


