From komputec at gmail.com  Fri Jun  1 16:58:12 2007
From: komputec at gmail.com (David Sexton)
Date: Fri Jun  1 17:01:27 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Wi-Fi Access Can Be Illegal - at least in Michigan
In-Reply-To: <465F88BB.7070809@verizon.net>
References: <465CAD79.7090608@verizon.net> <465F88BB.7070809@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c7a48f$91d36f60$0602a8c0@lap1>

It is illegal to access any network, wired or wireless, without permission.
The grey area here is if there is implied permission, and I'd bet the fine
print says paying customers have permission, but it should be up to the
coffee shop owners to decide if prosecution is warranted, not a prosecutor
driven by a law like this!

David Sexton

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-----Original Message-----
From: ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kd4e
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:47 PM
To: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net; ham-computers@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Wi-Fi Access Can Be Illegal - at least in Michigan

Now here is a scary story - both of the failure of
a police officer and a prosecutor to exercise their
responsibility to exercise reasonable discretion and
the less-than-wise legislators in writing such sloppy
law.

In any case it suggests that we need to know the local
laws and regs before accessing what appear to be "open"
or "public" Wi-Fi networks.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276720,00.html


-- 

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From kd4e at verizon.net  Mon Jun 11 12:23:29 2007
From: kd4e at verizon.net (kd4e)
Date: Mon Jun 11 12:29:47 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] SWAP:  512MB & 256MB for 512MB for Dell C400
Message-ID: <466D7701.3070002@verizon.net>

SWAP MEMORY:

512MB DDR266 32MX8 2.5V MV
AND
256MB from my Dell C400

FOR

512MB for my Dell C400

-- 

Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E
Personal: http://bibleseven.com/kd4e.html
Ham QTH: http://bibleseven.com/steel/cjb-steelhouse-index.html
From scoles at isomedia.com  Tue Jun 19 00:34:19 2007
From: scoles at isomedia.com (Steven Coles)
Date: Tue Jun 19 00:33:45 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Professor Coyle Works with Ubuntu Open Office
Message-ID: <1182227659.27890.44.camel@localhost>

Ubuntu Users,

Although intended for Excel, Dan Petersen's Professor Coyle coil
designer spreadsheet works in Open Office (and presumably in Open Office
in other Gnu/Linux versions). Professor Colye has consistently produced
accurate coil designs and analysis of existing coils.

You can obtain Professor Coyle from Mike Peebles (right side of page
near top) at

http://www.peeblesoriginals.com/projects-instructions.html

or the metric version from

www.py2mg.qsl.br/queimandodedo/The%20New%20Professor%20Coyle-METRIC.xls

or spider web from

members.home.nl/mmarx/PA2MRX/conversion.html

As the Professor Coyle spreadsheet remains popular with radio builders,
you will undoubtedly find additional sources for downloading it. You can
use a live web version at Darryl Boyd's web site.

http://www.crystalradio.net/professorcoyle/professorcoylecyl.shtml

Happy designing,

Steven, KD7YTE




From roncasa at verizon.net  Tue Jun 19 11:29:49 2007
From: roncasa at verizon.net (ron)
Date: Tue Jun 19 11:35:12 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1182227659.27890.44.camel@localhost>
References: <1182227659.27890.44.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1182266989.6521.6.camel@dad>

 Hello all,

a note to let those using Ubuntu flavor that 7.04 works out of the box
on Toshiba lap A135-S2276 (even the wifi).

Next step are plans to interface my Ten Tec 516 using Hamlib.

Ron, wb1hga
"got Linux?"

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 19 17:33:48 2007
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:38:45 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1182266989.6521.6.camel@dad>
Message-ID: <348164.48348.qm@web80401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It works nicely on a Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop as
well.

I had been using Fedora Core and Red Hat back to
version 9, because that's the distro that was used at
the university where I got my Unix/Linux
certification.

As time went on, though, it became more difficult to
get a clean install of Fedora Core, after version 4,
on the two AMD64 machines that I have running.

On the laptop, Ubuntu installed with no problems.  It
even configured the wireless card, which never worked
under Fedora Core.  Probably it used ndiswrapper to do
so, as the chipset for that particular card was not
supported, but the result is what counts.

When I applied the automatic updates, I was offered an
opportunity to upgrade to version 7.04 (from version
6.06).  It took a long time due to the download, but I
didn't have to bother to download the .iso and burn a
CD image.

All in all, I'm a happy camper.  Next challenge is to
get a 64-bit version of Ubuntu installed on the
AMD-based machines.

73 de Jim - AD6CW


--- ron <roncasa@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hello all,
> 
> a note to let those using Ubuntu flavor that 7.04
> works out of the box
> on Toshiba lap A135-S2276 (even the wifi).
> 
> Next step are plans to interface my Ten Tec 516
> using Hamlib.
> 
> Ron, wb1hga
> "got Linux?"

From paule at sfu.ca  Tue Jun 26 16:02:40 2007
From: paule at sfu.ca (Paul Erickson)
Date: Tue Jun 26 16:08:22 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
Message-ID: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>

Anyone know a Linux program similar to GeoClock? I have heard of 
sunclock, but cannot seem to get
it to work on my FC6 system.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
cheers, Paul - VA7NT - email: va7nt@telus.net

"Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad."

?Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.? - Thomas Mann

"That state which separates it's warriors from it's scholars will have it's thinking done by cowards and fighting done by fools" - Thucydides - The Pelopenisia 

"The Malice of the wicked is reinforced by the weakness of the virtuous." - Churchill


From ai9nl at arrl.net  Tue Jun 26 18:52:58 2007
From: ai9nl at arrl.net (Harv Nelson)
Date: Tue Jun 26 18:58:43 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
In-Reply-To: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
References: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <6a470a5f0706261552y4e3a006cpa901e6efa615777b@mail.gmail.com>

there is KDE Worldclock which makes a nice sort of wallpaper display
thats hows areas of light and darkness and may be helpful to you in
determining things like gray line skeds, etc.  the program allows you
to set several colored "map pins" with editable info available with a
right clik. you'll also have a choice of several geographical or
political maps. an additional KDE artwork lib is probably required.
while not a partof  the amateur Radio section of the archive, I've had
fun with it.  the KDE desktop clock applet allows you to set up for
tim in several different time zones ... so you can have clocks going
for local and UTC tim at a click of the mouse.

hereis the packager's description
=====
earth watcher for KDE
Displays where in the world it is light and dark depending on time, as
well as offering the time in all of the major cities of the world.
This can be run standalone, as an applet in the KDE panel or as a
desktop background.
==============

Additional kworldclock themes are available in the kdeartwork-misc package.

This package is part of KDE, and a component of the KDE toys module.
See the 'kde' and 'kdetoys' packages for more information.
try  "Apt-getinstall worldclock" on debian based systems.  that will
unstall any needed dependancies as well. i don't know the equivalent
command for rpm based systems like red hat or mandriva.

HTH
Harv, N9AI-AI9NL

On 6/26/07, Paul Erickson <paule@sfu.ca> wrote:
> Anyone know a Linux program similar to GeoClock? I have heard of
> sunclock, but cannot seem to get
> it to work on my FC6 system.
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> cheers, Paul - VA7NT - email: va7nt@telus.net
>
> "Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad."
>
> "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann
>
> "That state which separates it's warriors from it's scholars will have it's thinking done by cowards and fighting done by fools" - Thucydides - The Pelopenisia
>
> "The Malice of the wicked is reinforced by the weakness of the virtuous." - Churchill
>
>
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From n0oct at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 26 19:22:47 2007
From: n0oct at sbcglobal.net (Jim)
Date: Tue Jun 26 19:28:33 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0706261552y4e3a006cpa901e6efa615777b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
	<6a470a5f0706261552y4e3a006cpa901e6efa615777b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070626182247.0f77b12a@shirley>

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:52:58 -0500
"Harv Nelson" <ai9nl@arrl.net> wrote:

> there is KDE Worldclock which makes a nice sort of wallpaper display
> thats hows areas of light and darkness and may be helpful to you in
> determining things like gray line skeds, etc.  the program allows you
> to set several colored "map pins" with editable info available with a
> right clik. you'll also have a choice of several geographical or
> political maps. an additional KDE artwork lib is probably required.
> while not a partof  the amateur Radio section of the archive, I've had
> fun with it.  the KDE desktop clock applet allows you to set up for
> tim in several different time zones ... so you can have clocks going
> for local and UTC tim at a click of the mouse.
> 
> hereis the packager's description
> =====
> earth watcher for KDE
> Displays where in the world it is light and dark depending on time, as
> well as offering the time in all of the major cities of the world.
> This can be run standalone, as an applet in the KDE panel or as a
> desktop background.
> ==============
> 
> Additional kworldclock themes are available in the kdeartwork-misc
> package.
> 
> This package is part of KDE, and a component of the KDE toys module.
> See the 'kde' and 'kdetoys' packages for more information.
> try  "Apt-getinstall worldclock" on debian based systems.  that will
> unstall any needed dependancies as well. i don't know the equivalent
> command for rpm based systems like red hat or mandriva.
> 
> HTH
> Harv, N9AI-AI9NL


Maybe xearth can do what you want?  I have it set up to display North
America, certain cities, and the grayline as it passes.  It's great for
knowing where the grayline will be for 160m [hence only NA, rather than
the world for me.

--
72, N0OCT
From kd4e at verizon.net  Tue Jun 26 20:28:02 2007
From: kd4e at verizon.net (kd4e)
Date: Tue Jun 26 20:40:30 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
In-Reply-To: <20070626182247.0f77b12a@shirley>
References: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
	<6a470a5f0706261552y4e3a006cpa901e6efa615777b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070626182247.0f77b12a@shirley>
Message-ID: <4681AF12.603@verizon.net>

GPSdrive will do that as well and does not require
the KDE bloat.

There is lots of activity working toward making it
a complete GPS app but meanwhile some features are
working.

I have it running under Puppy Linux 2.6 but recommend
Puppy 2.6.1 (will upgrade to 2.6.1 shortly).

-- 

Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E
Personal: http://bibleseven.com/kd4e.html
Ham QTH: http://bibleseven.com/steel/cjb-steelhouse-index.html
From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jun 26 16:39:50 2007
From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Wed Jun 27 06:24:38 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
In-Reply-To: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
References: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <20070626213950.4b68a6ed@gb7tf.ath.cx>

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:02:40 -0700
Paul Erickson <paule@sfu.ca> wrote:

> Anyone know a Linux program similar to GeoClock? I have heard of 
> sunclock, but cannot seem to get
> it to work on my FC6 system.
> 
If I remember right, geoclock will run in wine,

-- 

Best Wishes

Richard Bown

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Registered Linux User 365161
OS Mandriva 2007.1
HAM Callsign G8JVM : Locator IO82SP
QRV all bands 80mtrs to 3 cms ,( non WARC )
http://www.software-radio.org.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From jim at oz.net  Wed Jun 27 22:51:07 2007
From: jim at oz.net (Jim Smith)
Date: Wed Jun 27 22:55:50 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
In-Reply-To: <20070626213950.4b68a6ed@gb7tf.ath.cx>
References: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca> <20070626213950.4b68a6ed@gb7tf.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <4683221B.3070202@oz.net>

Richard wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:02:40 -0700
> Paul Erickson <paule@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
>   
>> Anyone know a Linux program similar to GeoClock? I have heard of 
>> sunclock, but cannot seem to get
>> it to work on my FC6 system.
>>
>>     
> If I remember right, geoclock will run in wine,
>
>   
The original Geoclock was a DOS application, therefore it should run in
the DOS Emulator box.

73

Jim
kd7jkt
From ken at wa3fkg.com  Wed Jun 27 23:34:28 2007
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Wed Jun 27 23:41:31 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Packet with Kubuntu
Message-ID: <200706272334.28726.ken@wa3fkg.com>

After having tried several distributions ( Red Hat, Mepis, SuSe) I have 
selected Kubuntu as my operating system of choice.  I have it installed on my 
laptop and the main computer in the radio room.

I have a DOS based program written by K8LG that lets me run AX25 to a "dumb" 
modem.  With it I can connect to the local packet network and bbs systems.  
Is there a terminal driver for Linux that will let me do this?  I know some 
versions have AX25 built into the kernel but I'm not sure Ubuntu or Kubuntu 
have that feature.

So if anyone out there knows of a program that will emulate a TNC I would like 
to hear about it.  Thanks.


-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  John 3:16
Running Kubuntu Linux
The box said "Windows 98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)
From hylton at conacher.co.za  Thu Jun 28 12:29:48 2007
From: hylton at conacher.co.za (Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC))
Date: Thu Jun 28 12:36:03 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux equivilant to GeoClock
In-Reply-To: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
References: <468170E0.5010304@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <4683E1FC.10902@conacher.co.za>

Paul Erickson wrote:
> Anyone know a Linux program similar to GeoClock? I have heard of
> sunclock, but cannot seem to get
> it to work on my FC6 system.

How about investigating iGoogle http://www.google.com/ig as it has a
world map(DaylightMap) you can see when logged in that shows the light
and dark across the globe.

Ham-software moderator
From hylton at conacher.co.za  Thu Jun 28 12:32:49 2007
From: hylton at conacher.co.za (Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC))
Date: Thu Jun 28 12:39:05 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Packet with Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200706272334.28726.ken@wa3fkg.com>
References: <200706272334.28726.ken@wa3fkg.com>
Message-ID: <4683E2B1.7050800@conacher.co.za>

Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG wrote:
> After having tried several distributions ( Red Hat, Mepis, SuSe) I have 
> selected Kubuntu as my operating system of choice.  I have it installed on my 
> laptop and the main computer in the radio room.
> 
> I have a DOS based program written by K8LG that lets me run AX25 to a "dumb" 
> modem.  With it I can connect to the local packet network and bbs systems.  
> Is there a terminal driver for Linux that will let me do this?  I know some 
> versions have AX25 built into the kernel but I'm not sure Ubuntu or Kubuntu 
> have that feature.
> 
> So if anyone out there knows of a program that will emulate a TNC I would like 
> to hear about it.  Thanks.

I have taken the liberty of forwarding this message to the ham software
group as perhaps someone there will be able to help.

(Ham-software moderator)
> 
> 

From ka0pmd at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 28 18:55:17 2007
From: ka0pmd at yahoo.com (Stephen Lawrence)
Date: Thu Jun 28 19:01:10 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <20070628080138.9DC6C859E61@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ladies and Gents,

I have a spare PC and want to experiment with Linux,
but it's got to be an easy to learn version because
I don't have nearly enough time to tinker.

I know this might set off a brushfire, but what's the
best distribution for noobies?  

TIA + 73,

Steve Lawrence KA?PMD
Reno, NV


       
____________________________________________________________________________________
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http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
From ka5oai at jass-ltd.org  Thu Jun 28 19:10:41 2007
From: ka5oai at jass-ltd.org (Sam Morgan)
Date: Thu Jun 28 19:16:32 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46843FF1.2070406@jass-ltd.org>

Stephen Lawrence wrote:
> Ladies and Gents,
> 
> I have a spare PC and want to experiment with Linux,
> but it's got to be an easy to learn version because
> I don't have nearly enough time to tinker.
> 
> I know this might set off a brushfire, but what's the
> best distribution for noobies?  
> 
very dangerous question
my vote goes for any of the *ubuntus
Kubuntu is the most windows like IMO

YMMV your mileage may vary... lol
-- 
GB & 73's
KA5OAI
Sam Morgan
From ka5oai at jass-ltd.org  Thu Jun 28 20:11:16 2007
From: ka5oai at jass-ltd.org (Sam Morgan)
Date: Thu Jun 28 20:17:00 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46844E24.8080201@jass-ltd.org>

Folks I appreciate all the direct replys..................

however

you need to be sending them to the list and
Steve Lawrence KA?PMD
ka0pmd@yahoo.com

I wasn't the one who ask the initial question

if he's also been getting a copy forgive me,
but the headers seemed to indicate the posts were to me
certainly not to the list, or somethings broke here..
lol not that op error isn't on of my forte's, heheheh


Stephen Lawrence wrote:
> Ladies and Gents,
> 
> I have a spare PC and want to experiment with Linux,
> but it's got to be an easy to learn version because
> I don't have nearly enough time to tinker.
snip
-- 
GB & 73's
KA5OAI
Sam Morgan
http://linuxbasics.org
linux, the lifetime learning experience
From ka4inm at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun 28 21:05:03 2007
From: ka4inm at tampabay.rr.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Thu Jun 28 21:11:06 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46845ABF.60406@tampabay.rr.com>

> I have a spare PC and want to experiment with Linux,
> but it's got to be an easy to learn version because
> I don't have nearly enough time to tinker.

> I know this might set off a brushfire, but what's the
> best distribution for noobies?    (N U B)

   Only try one that has a book/books written for that "distribution."
   Preferably a book that starts at the ground level and explains
what the directories names means on up.   Buy it.  Study it.
   Like HAM radio, LINUX is technologically complex, being able to
study it when you are on the can etc. is very helpful.  When you are
in LINUX man and the subject brings up the manual pages for the subject.
   I have been 100% LINUX since July 1998 and I just love it.
-- 
    Ron  KA4INM - Please pay your taxes promptly our
                  illegal aliens need the free benefits!
From n5dwi at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 28 21:06:51 2007
From: n5dwi at sbcglobal.net (John, N5DWI)
Date: Thu Jun 28 21:12:46 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46845B2B.1030708@sbcglobal.net>

Steve,

No question about it. 

Ubuntu / Kubuntu is the way for a newbie to go. 

It's ubiquitous, and help is also everywhere.

The [main] difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is the desktop.

The "K" in front of Ubuntu means that it uses the KDE GUI. and the
plain vanilla Ubuntu uses Gnome GUI.

Since you're just starting out, it shouldn't matter which GUI you choose. 

Whichever one you get used to ought to do just about anything the other 
will.

Later, after the culture shock wears off, you might want to try the 
other GUI.

For what it's worth,
73 de john n5dwi

===========================

Stephen Lawrence wrote:
> Ladies and Gents,
>
> I have a spare PC and want to experiment with Linux,
> but it's got to be an easy to learn version because
> I don't have nearly enough time to tinker.
>
> I know this might set off a brushfire, but what's the
> best distribution for noobies?  
>
> TIA + 73,
>
> Steve Lawrence KA?PMD
> Reno, NV
From kd4e at verizon.net  Thu Jun 28 23:00:18 2007
From: kd4e at verizon.net (kd4e)
Date: Thu Jun 28 23:13:38 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <46843FF1.2070406@jass-ltd.org>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<46843FF1.2070406@jass-ltd.org>
Message-ID: <468475C2.10703@verizon.net>

You didn't say what are the resources of your spare
computer.

I am fond of Puppy Linux because it will run on almost
any PC, even much older ones.  It is designed to be small,
complete, and fast.  And, of course, free!  :-)

I have tried the big commercial versions like RedHat and
SuSE, as well as dozens of others, commercial and free.

As for guidance and support ...

My experience is that computer books are nearly worthless
as most suffer two chronic weaknesses:

1.  The authors *always* assume that you will somehow
magically know the steps they inexplicably leave out of
their explanations.

2.  They are outdated months before they are published.
(The Linux world moves very rapidly - far more so than
the print world.)

Many of the online FAQ's, Wiki's, and assorted Help resources
are also chronically out of date and incomplete.

The *best* source by far is an active User Support Forum
populated by members of the development team and fellow
users.

The Puppy Forum is excellent.  I imagine those of some of
the other distros are as well.

HTH ... doc

> Stephen Lawrence wrote:
>> Ladies and Gents,
>>
>> I have a spare PC and want to experiment with Linux,
>> but it's got to be an easy to learn version because
>> I don't have nearly enough time to tinker.
>>
>> I know this might set off a brushfire, but what's the
>> best distribution for noobies? 


-- 

Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E
Personal: http://bibleseven.com/kd4e.html
Ham QTH: http://bibleseven.com/steel/cjb-steelhouse-index.html
From ka5oai at jass-ltd.org  Thu Jun 28 23:22:19 2007
From: ka5oai at jass-ltd.org (Sam Morgan)
Date: Thu Jun 28 23:28:05 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <468475C2.10703@verizon.net>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<46843FF1.2070406@jass-ltd.org>
	<468475C2.10703@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <46847AEB.6080209@jass-ltd.org>

kd4e wrote:

> I am fond of Puppy Linux because it will run on almost
> any PC, even much older ones.  It is designed to be small,
> complete, and fast.  And, of course, free!  :-)
> 
snip
> The Puppy Forum is excellent.  I imagine those of some of
> the other distros are as well.
> 
not to start a war, here
  but just to be complete in reference to the Puppy Linux Forums
there is an opposing view posted on http://distrowatch.com recently
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070625#feature

<humor>
I have no dog in this fight
as I haven't run puppy lately
and have not participated on their forums
just saw the post on distrowatch
</humor>
-- 
GB & 73's
KA5OAI
Sam Morgan
From kd4e at verizon.net  Fri Jun 29 00:00:16 2007
From: kd4e at verizon.net (kd4e)
Date: Fri Jun 29 00:13:05 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <46847AEB.6080209@jass-ltd.org>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<46847AEB.6080209@jass-ltd.org>
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The distrowatch chatter is just that - noisy chatter.
The "opposing opinion" author has a right to be wrong
and to post his opinion but not to be considered
authoritative.

I have lengthly first-hand experience and I disagree
with a negative assessment of the Puppy Forum - without
fear of successful contradiction.

The folks on the Puppy Forum have not only helped me
they have done so repeatedly and patiently for a long
time.

Have there been rare occasions when someone on the
volunteer Puppy team has snapped at someone and later
apologized, yes.  Have there been arrogant people on
the Forum who have been asked to leave, rarely but
yes.  Have there been differences of opinion, yes --
and folks have been encouraged to develop and share
specialized versions of Puppy.

Tell me of an Apple, Linux, or MS-version-of-windows
distro with a Forum absent any discord? No such thing
in this world.  The presumption that one distrowatch
poster who had a bad experience thus speaks authoritatively
for what happens on the Puppy Forum is not realistic.

I have observed Forum members taking the time to walk
people through procedures, to create self-loading apps for
others (including for me), and to direct people to additional information.

The Puppy Wiki and Help resources are, like most, dated
and incomplete in places -- they do not have paid staff
to handle such things.

It is an excellent distro created and maintained by a
team of volunteers.  It is one of the smallest and most
versatile, it is complete for most users, and is free.
Perhaps all of that is threatening to other distros?

One must be VERY careful what one believes when reading
negative opinions online and even more restrained when
suggesting that they have any credibility.

>> The Puppy Forum is excellent.  I imagine those of some of
>> the other distros are as well.
>>
> not to start a war, here
>  but just to be complete in reference to the Puppy Linux Forums
> there is an opposing view posted on http://distrowatch.com recently
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070625#feature
> 
> <humor>
> I have no dog in this fight
> as I haven't run puppy lately
> and have not participated on their forums
> just saw the post on distrowatch
> </humor>


-- 

Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E
Personal: http://bibleseven.com/kd4e.html
Ham QTH: http://bibleseven.com/steel/cjb-steelhouse-index.html
From morrison.hoyle at gmail.com  Fri Jun 29 00:54:43 2007
From: morrison.hoyle at gmail.com (Morrison Hoyle)
Date: Fri Jun 29 01:00:58 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] A distro for n00b
Message-ID: <46849093.8010907@gmail.com>

I have read the responses so far with interest.  Puppy is good, Chubby 
Puppy is better as it has OpenOffice included.  Ubuntu/kubuntu are OK 
but a bit limiting in view of the rigid refusal to include any programs 
that are not 100% open source.  So you cannot watch commercial DVDs with 
them and alhtough there is a way round that. Ubuntu/Kubuntu give you no 
help on the subject.

For a new one to Linux, I suggest Freespire.  It is so easyto use for 
someone just used to Windoze.  The Click and Run feature makes adding 
programs incredibly easy as there are no hassles with dependencies etc.  
The Click and Run on line Warehouse gives free access to thousands of 
additional programs as well as to some you have to pay for - so far 
everything I have wanted has been in the free category.  Ratherthan 
write more, have a look at www.freespire.org

Morrison VK3BCY
From n0nb at networksplus.net  Fri Jun 29 08:19:00 2007
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri Jun 29 08:25:31 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Help a n00b out?
In-Reply-To: <468483D0.6020203@verizon.net>
References: <565499.16779.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<46843FF1.2070406@jass-ltd.org> <468475C2.10703@verizon.net>
	<46847AEB.6080209@jass-ltd.org> <468483D0.6020203@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20070629121900.GW3917@mail.networksplus.net>

I am more concerned about aspects of the Puppy distribution that are
alleged to exist under a non-free license.  Presumably, anyone creating
a Linux distribution would release their enhancements under a free
license as their forebears of Slackware, Debian, Red Hat, et. al. have
done.  The article on distrowatch alleges the Puppy enhancements are
non-free.  If this is so, and I haven't had a chance to verify this for
myself as of yet, then Puppy becomes a poor choice for customized
distributions like FL-Puppy.

Of course, we have no way to prove whether the author of the
distrowatch piece is telling the truth regarding his treatment in the
forums.  Only if others come forward to corroborate his story may it
gain a kernel of plausibility.  Unfortunately, the "proof" has already
been deleted, if it ever existed.  Regardless, a rogue moderator or
forum admin is harmful to any online community.

73, de Nate >>

-- 
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  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           |  "Debian, the choice of
             My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
        http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/       |   http://www.debian.org
From n0nb at networksplus.net  Fri Jun 29 19:31:17 2007
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri Jun 29 19:37:17 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] A distro for n00b
In-Reply-To: <46849093.8010907@gmail.com>
References: <46849093.8010907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070629233117.GB11258@mail.networksplus.net>

Since a lot of recommendations are offshoots of Debian, why not give
Debian a try?  The new GUI installer for version 4.0 (Etch) is well
done (type installgui at the Boot: prompt) and walks the admin through
installation including selection of a task oriented install (i.e.
Desktop, Laptop, Server, etc.).

I have been running Debian for almost 8 years.  I've tried other
distributions, but Debian remains on my hard drives.

73, de Nate >>

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          |  Successfully Microsoft
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           |  "Debian, the choice of
             My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
        http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/       |   http://www.debian.org
From hylton at conacher.co.za  Sat Jun 30 09:43:11 2007
From: hylton at conacher.co.za (Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC))
Date: Sat Jun 30 09:49:32 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Linux and Echolink news
Message-ID: <46865DEF.1030603@conacher.co.za>

For all those interested in Linux amateur software news and Echolink. I
have not used the programs and so YMMV(Your Mileage May Vary), depending
on your circumstances.

thebridge - iLink/EchoLink compatable conference bridge
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/LinuxAppFinderNewApplications/~3/128055610/thebridge
Version: 0.83

SvxLink - EchoLink server
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/LinuxAppFinderNewApplications/~3/128055611/svxlink
Version: 0.8.0

Qtel - EchoLink client program
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/LinuxAppFinderNewApplications/~3/128055613/qtel
Version: 0.10.0

EchoLinux - EchoLink client program
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/LinuxAppFinderNewApplications/~3/128055615/echolinux
Version: 0.17a

73 de ZR1HPC
Hylton
From ken at wa3fkg.com  Sat Jun 30 10:02:22 2007
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Sun Jul  1 13:26:02 2007
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Packet with Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <4683E2B1.7050800@conacher.co.za>
References: <200706272334.28726.ken@wa3fkg.com>
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Message-ID: <200706301002.22865.ken@wa3fkg.com>

On Thursday 28 June 2007 12:32:49 Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:

> I have taken the liberty of forwarding this message to the ham software
> group as perhaps someone there will be able to help.
>
> (Ham-software moderator)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ham-Linux mailing list
> Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux

I appreciate your efforts.  Thanks!

-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  John 3:16
Running Kubuntu Linux
http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com  http://hultonbridge.blogspot.com
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)
