From laidlaws at hotkey.net.au  Thu Aug  4 11:15:54 2005
From: laidlaws at hotkey.net.au (Doug Laidlaw)
Date: Thu Aug  4 11:17:03 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Amsat.org not reachable.
In-Reply-To: <42E6561A.10509@voicenet.com>
References: <200507261827.08628.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au>
	<42E6561A.10509@voicenet.com>
Message-ID: <200508050115.54763.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au>

Thanks to everybody.  Yes, it does seem to be a DNS problem.  I still have a 
couple of dialup accounts and might try those.  I can get the keps from Ray 
Hoad O.K.

Just heard that a new satellite has been fixed to ISS.  I haven't been 
following the news.

Doug VK3KDI

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 1:26 am, Margaret Leber wrote:
> Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > I am receiving kep updates from amsat.org, but for some reason, I can't
> > access the site.  Both http://www.amsat.org and http://128.54.16.15/ give
> > the result "Unknown host www.amsat.org"  If the IP address is matched to
> > www.amsat.org, it can't be unknown.
> > Any ideas?
> > Doug VK3KDI.
>
> Both those URLs work for me, Doug. I'd check out your DNS and routing
> setups for problems.
>
> My friend Emily Clarke W0EEC is the webmistress for the site; her email
> is her callsign at amsat dot org. But of course if you can't DNS AMSAT
> you won't be able to email her; if you need to contact her I can relay
> emails for you if necessary.
>
> That said, I think the issue is somewhere on your end. DNS, routing, web
> proxys and filtering are all possibilities.
>
>   73 de Maggie K3XS
> Editor, Phil-Mont Mobile Radio Club Blurb - http://www.phil-mont.org
> Elecraft K2 #1641

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Friends are quiet angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble 
remembering how to fly.
	- Anonymous.
From laidlaws at hotkey.net.au  Fri Aug  5 20:50:58 2005
From: laidlaws at hotkey.net.au (Doug Laidlaw)
Date: Sat Aug  6 04:57:07 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Amsat.org not reachable.
In-Reply-To: <42E650B0.2050903@telus.net>
References: <200507261827.08628.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au>
	<42E650B0.2050903@telus.net>
Message-ID: <200508061050.58945.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au>

Thanks Bing.  I tried a different ISP account and got there with no worries.  
That would have given me a different visible IP address.

Doug.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 1:03 am, Bing Whiteway wrote:
> Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> >I am receiving kep updates from amsat.org, but for some reason, I can't
> > access the site.  Both http://www.amsat.org and http://128.54.16.15/ give
> > the result "Unknown host www.amsat.org"  If the IP address is matched to
> > www.amsat.org, it can't be unknown.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Doug VK3KDI.
>
> It works fine from here. I had similar problems with other sites till I
> forced a change of my ip address.

-- 
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Silently one by one, in the infinite meadows of heaven
Blossomed the lovely stars, the forget-me-nots of the angels.
	-- Longfellow.
From k8jwt at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 11 00:16:21 2005
From: k8jwt at adelphia.net (Jacob W Tennant)
Date: Thu Aug 11 00:17:27 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
Message-ID: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>

Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?

Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
From wa3fkg at verizon.net  Thu Aug 11 07:57:04 2005
From: wa3fkg at verizon.net (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Thu Aug 11 07:54:26 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>

Jacob W Tennant wrote:

> Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
>
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
> _______________________________________________
> Ham-Linux mailing list
> Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux
>

I have been using Core 4 on an older Dell laptop for a few weeks now and 
I love it.  The system I am typing this on is using SuSe 9.1 
Professional and I am thinking hard about reformatting the drive and 
installing Core 4 on it.  The 2.0 beta version of Open Office that is 
included in the distribution is a great improvement also.  See my blog 
entry about "Aunt Tilly" at http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com for additional 
thoughts.  If you decide to try it or switch to Core 4 please let me and 
the group know what kind of experience you have with it.


-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG   John 3:16
Blog: http://www.wa3fkg.blogspot.com  http://hultonbridge.blogspot.com
Member of the American Radio Relay League
Pittsburgh Area Scanner net on Sunday evenings 9:00PM on 147.090 mHz.
The Box said "Win95,98,2000 NT4.0 or better" So I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)

From n0nb at networksplus.net  Thu Aug 11 08:26:39 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Thu Aug 11 08:27:57 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>

* Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG <wa3fkg@verizon.net> [2005 Aug 11 06:54 -0500]:
> 
> I have been using Core 4 on an older Dell laptop for a few weeks now and 
> I love it.  The system I am typing this on is using SuSe 9.1 
> Professional and I am thinking hard about reformatting the drive and 
> installing Core 4 on it.  The 2.0 beta version of Open Office that is 
> included in the distribution is a great improvement also.  See my blog 
> entry about "Aunt Tilly" at http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com for additional 
> thoughts.  If you decide to try it or switch to Core 4 please let me and 
> the group know what kind of experience you have with it.

Since I could not find a way to post a comment to you blog page, I'll say
it here.  A couple of years back my brother, who is not the computer
geek I've been, needed a computer.  So I set one up with Debian and
everything has worked out rather well.  There were some rocky spots as
Firefox and some helper apps matured, but everything seems to be
working well as I've had to do minimal maintenance to the box.

I like your "my way or Dell way" approach.  When people want a
relative or "friend" to clean up their infected machine, it's often
because they've figured out what the shops charge or what phone support
costs after 90 days or some such time frame.  Thus they are looking for
free support and I gave that up years ago.  When asked I tell people
that it will be $50 per hour with a four hour minimum, but if they wish
to try Linux, my assistance will be free.  So far I've had no takers,
not even any of the local hams who, sadly, should at least be tech
courious.

Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?

73, de Nate >>

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          |  Successfully Microsoft
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           |  "Debian, the choice of
             My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
        http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/       |   http://www.debian.org
From wa3fkg at verizon.net  Thu Aug 11 09:57:58 2005
From: wa3fkg at verizon.net (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Thu Aug 11 09:56:55 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <006b01c59e6e$189e8400$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net> <006b01c59e6e$189e8400$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <42FB5966.6020500@verizon.net>

Jacob W Tennant wrote:

> Which desktop are you using? GNOME,KDE,etc...
>
> I am going to install later today and system is going to be mine only 
> for ham radio activities related to HF DX'ing,contesting,APRS, and 
> general web uses.
>
> PA? where abouts? My wife's family is from Uniontown,PA. I live in 
> Morgantown,WV only 4 miles from the PA/WV border.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG" 
> <wa3fkg@verizon.net>
> To: <ham-linux@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .

Core 4 defaults to the Gnome desk top which I have never favored in the 
past preferring to stick with KDE.  However, since my first install, I 
started with Core 3, I have decided that I like the Gnome interface a 
lot and have switched to it as my default.  When  I installed Core 4 I 
chose the "custom" install and have both available so if I want to 
switch to KDE or use one of the KDE utilities I can.  I have found that 
if you have the disk space and the time it is best to pick custom 
install and pick "EVERYTHING" for package selection.  This makes sure 
you have all of the libraries for the various components.  It dose take 
quite a bit longer to install than just the "personal desktop" and same 
for doing the initial updates.

Don't take my word for it however.  I am at the beginning of the 
learning curve with Linux and have a long way to go.  There might be a 
better way to do the install.  West (By God) Virginia you say.  You are 
in the heart of Mepis country!  What are you doing running Fedora?  
:-)       I am in Oakmont which is about 14~15 miles up the Allegheny 
River from the Point at Pittsburgh.  I like tinkering with Linux and was 
tired of dealing with Microsoft in the ham shack.  There are some things 
that are only available on a Windows box that I will have to keep a 
laptop around for like programming some of my radios.  About 98% of what 
I do on a day to day basis though Linux does and does better than 
Windows.  I am looking to put at least one packet station on full time 
and perhaps APARS all of which I hope to be Linux based.  Let me know 
how you make out.

73's
----Ken

-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG   John 3:16
Blog: http://www.wa3fkg.blogspot.com  http://hultonbridge.blogspot.com
Member of the American Radio Relay League
Pittsburgh Area Scanner net on Sunday evenings 9:00PM on 147.090 mHz.
The Box said "Win95,98,2000 NT4.0 or better" So I installed Linux !
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)

From k8jwt at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 11 09:56:41 2005
From: k8jwt at adelphia.net (Jacob W Tennant)
Date: Thu Aug 11 09:58:06 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY><42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>
	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <001201c59e7c$804d73a0$1202a8c0@BETSY>

Because so much of society today has become a "plug & play" mentality that 
the old ways of technical experimentation has died.

I have seen the same thing around here (Morgantown,WV) in the ham world as I 
use APRS which is so simple to setup and run but nobody seems interested 
even though I offer to setup their systems for them, 24hour phone support, 
training classes on how to run it.

"If it ain't plug & play, no way"

Just my view,
Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
>
> Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?
>
> 73, de Nate >>
>
> -- 
> Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          |  Successfully Microsoft
>  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
>             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           |  "Debian, the choice of
>             My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
>        http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/       |   http://www.debian.org
> _______________________________________________
> Ham-Linux mailing list
> Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux 

From harv.nelson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 11 10:08:43 2005
From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson)
Date: Thu Aug 11 10:09:40 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using ...
Message-ID: <6a470a5f05081107082954f1d7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nate

You asked:

>>Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?

One my answers to this question has been the advertising  of many of
our suppliers and vendors (including the ARRL).  The ads state that
the "required OS" is some version of Windows ... even when the CD
offered for sale contains nothing more than ".pdf" files or text files
all easily readable with Open Source software.

One of my responces to this situation has been to offer a FREE Linux cd:

http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/

Those of us who are experienced Linux users can make the point more
directly with manufacturers and vendors by requesting that necessary
software be made available for OpenSource systems.  When a competing
product is available that offers Open Source support, make sure you
tell the vendors and MANUFACTURER of the "Windows only" product how
you spent your money, how much money you spent,  and WHY!

If you intend to write your own scripts or programs to run a
particular radio or interface, buy the product from the vendor and
manufacturer who makes his information readily available and
accessable.  Once your program is running share it with the rest of
the community so that we can also contribute to it.

Thanks for the $50/hour - 4 hour minimum ... or, Linux for free ...
suggestion.  I'm going to implement that one here.  I may end up with
fewer friends but, more time for my own projects, and less baby
sitting in the long term.

73

Harv, AI9NL
From k8jwt at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 11 10:12:13 2005
From: k8jwt at adelphia.net (Jacob W Tennant)
Date: Thu Aug 11 10:13:14 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Fedora4 install problem???
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>
	<006b01c59e6e$189e8400$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB5966.6020500@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001901c59e7e$ac143300$1202a8c0@BETSY>

I have downloaded and made the 4 cd's from the Fedora web site and they 
bootup OK but when I tell it to use the cd's for install it keeps asking for 
the disk 1 and it is already in the cd drive?

Going to try a network install since I have a cable modem.

Jacob Tennant - K8JWT 

From wa3fkg at verizon.net  Thu Aug 11 10:25:33 2005
From: wa3fkg at verizon.net (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Thu Aug 11 10:27:48 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Re: Fedora4 install problem???
In-Reply-To: <001901c59e7e$ac143300$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net> <006b01c59e6e$189e8400$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB5966.6020500@verizon.net> <001901c59e7e$ac143300$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <42FB5FDD.5090906@verizon.net>

Jacob W Tennant wrote:

> I have downloaded and made the 4 cd's from the Fedora web site and 
> they bootup OK but when I tell it to use the cd's for install it keeps 
> asking for the disk 1 and it is already in the cd drive?
>
> Going to try a network install since I have a cable modem.
>
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
>
Did you do the media test?  I burned disk one and the install started 
and then about half way through failed.  I ran the test, why would I 
have wanted to do that first, and it said the disk was bad.  So I 
downloaded the image again just to be sure and then burned another 
copy.  Worked fine after that.

-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG   John 3:16
Blog: http://www.wa3fkg.blogspot.com  http://hultonbridge.blogspot.com
Member of the American Radio Relay League
Pittsburgh Area Scanner net on Sunday evenings 9:00PM on 147.090 mHz.
The Box said "Win95,98,2000 NT4.0 or better" So I installed Linux !
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)

From wcj9996 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 11 11:41:40 2005
From: wcj9996 at comcast.net (Walt)
Date: Thu Aug 11 11:43:36 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net>


I have been using FC4 for the past 3 months or so.  

I use KPSK 1.0.1 and am having some problems with the transmitt mode.  It will 
suddenly shift frequency or stop sending the idle carrier.  I am using the 
FIC  AU13 motherboard sound chip.  nForce2 AC97 V2.2  It worked well with 
RH-9 and KPSK 1.0.0 .  I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar 
problem, and what was done about it.

I would like to know if anyone has had any sucess running  the Kenwood memory 
programs under WINE.

  walt, W7PRB 

On Wednesday 10 August 2005 21:16, Jacob W Tennant wrote:
> Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
>
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
> _______________________________________________
> Ham-Linux mailing list
> Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux

-- 
-----  walt -----
From john at kemker.org  Thu Aug 11 11:58:57 2005
From: john at kemker.org (John Kemker)
Date: Thu Aug 11 11:59:46 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42FB75C1.1020504@kemker.org>

This is fairly simple to fix.  Quit using the motherboard sound chip and 
get a separate sound card.

The on board sound chips use your CPU for DSP, which puts a tremendous 
drain on your system.  I highly recommend almost anything by Turtle 
Beach as well as the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy series.

--JohnK.
73 de W5NNH

Walt wrote:

>I have been using FC4 for the past 3 months or so.  
>
>I use KPSK 1.0.1 and am having some problems with the transmitt mode.  It will 
>suddenly shift frequency or stop sending the idle carrier.  I am using the 
>FIC  AU13 motherboard sound chip.  nForce2 AC97 V2.2  It worked well with 
>RH-9 and KPSK 1.0.0 .  I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar 
>problem, and what was done about it.
>
>I would like to know if anyone has had any sucess running  the Kenwood memory 
>programs under WINE.
>
>  walt, W7PRB 
>
>On Wednesday 10 August 2005 21:16, Jacob W Tennant wrote:
>  
>
> <><>Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
>
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT

<><>---

John Kemker

"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to
command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit
the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these
editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but
didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place
to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a
newspaper." --Robert E. Lee



From paule at sfu.ca  Thu Aug 11 12:10:57 2005
From: paule at sfu.ca (Paul Erickson)
Date: Thu Aug 11 12:12:10 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .]
Message-ID: <42FB7891.5040507@sfu.ca>

I have been staying away from FC4 because another application that I
rely on "Jpilot" is broken in this version. If they get that fixed, I
may upgrade.


-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
cheers, Paul - VA7NT - email: va7nt@telus.net

"Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad."


From k8jwt at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 11 12:24:10 2005
From: k8jwt at adelphia.net (Jacob W Tennant)
Date: Thu Aug 11 12:25:19 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Install problem 
Message-ID: <000501c59e91$1adb66c0$1202a8c0@BETSY>

Well I figured out my install problem.  At the boot: prompt I typed linux 
ide=nodma and the disc check kicked in and all of my discs are bad!

Will try to download the ISO files again.

This is why most people don't play with linux...

But, I am not detered as I found where I can buy a set of install discs on 
the internet for $8.00 if all else fails.

Jacob Tennant - K8JWT 

From n0oct at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 11 14:29:39 2005
From: n0oct at sbcglobal.net (n0oct@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Aug 11 14:30:54 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <20050811132939.6c23cdb1@shirley>

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400
"Jacob W Tennant" <k8jwt@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?

No, I'm part of the Notorious *BSD subgroup of this list.

-- 

72, Jim N0OCT
From n0oct at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 11 14:36:00 2005
From: n0oct at sbcglobal.net (n0oct@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Aug 11 14:37:12 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using ...
In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f05081107082954f1d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a470a5f05081107082954f1d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050811133600.0449ee17@shirley>

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:08:43 -0400
Harv Nelson <harv.nelson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nate
> 
> You asked:
> 
> >>Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?
> 

Ithink it is, for hams.  For those that don't have the inclination or
time to really bother with computers, but need to have one, it's
Windoze.

-- 

72, Jim N0OCT
From wa3fkg at verizon.net  Thu Aug 11 14:39:31 2005
From: wa3fkg at verizon.net (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Thu Aug 11 14:41:19 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050811132939.6c23cdb1@shirley>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<20050811132939.6c23cdb1@shirley>
Message-ID: <42FB9B63.1040700@verizon.net>

n0oct@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400
>"Jacob W Tennant" <k8jwt@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
>>    
>>
>
>No, I'm part of the Notorious *BSD subgroup of this list.
>
>  
>
Well at least you are not running Windoze! :-) Our local Free BSD GuRu 
is Jim Druham aka W2XO. He has forgotten more about BSD than I will ever 
know. Although some day I really want to put a box together and load it 
with Free BSD just to see what it is all about.

-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG   John 3:16
Blog: http://www.wa3fkg.blogspot.com  http://hultonbridge.blogspot.com
Member of the American Radio Relay League
Pittsburgh Area Scanner net on Sunday evenings 9:00PM on 147.090 mHz.
The Box said "Win95,98,2000 NT4.0 or better" So I installed Linux !
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)

From mcobb at cobbcomm.com  Thu Aug 11 17:48:43 2005
From: mcobb at cobbcomm.com (michael cobb)
Date: Thu Aug 11 17:42:05 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <42FB9B63.1040700@verizon.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<20050811132939.6c23cdb1@shirley>  <42FB9B63.1040700@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1123796923.17996.0.camel@hampc.cobbcomm.com>

Yupper, I run FC4 on many machines.

What did you want to know?

Mike (KF6MPI)
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 14:39 -0400, Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG wrote:
> n0oct@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400
> >"Jacob W Tennant" <k8jwt@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >No, I'm part of the Notorious *BSD subgroup of this list.
> >
> >  
> >
> Well at least you are not running Windoze! :-) Our local Free BSD GuRu 
> is Jim Druham aka W2XO. He has forgotten more about BSD than I will ever 
> know. Although some day I really want to put a box together and load it 
> with Free BSD just to see what it is all about.
> 

From ab6mt at sonic.net  Thu Aug 11 19:45:23 2005
From: ab6mt at sonic.net (ab6mt)
Date: Thu Aug 11 19:46:33 2005
Subject: Fw: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
Message-ID: <004701c59ece$bf8f0540$0203a8c0@hbco>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: ab6mt
To: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .


How much memory do you run?  Fedora 2 runs much faster with 384MB of memory,
but have an idle machine with 256 MB.  Is this enough?  With the amount of
disk thrashing, it apparently wasn't with Fedora 2.

Also, wish to distribute a "plug and play" OS with ham digital software
included, particularly with a mode called MT-63 to Navy MARS members.  Has
anyone been successful loading such programs on Fedora 4?

73 de Bill, AB6MT/NNN0BIO
ab6mt@sonic.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: michael cobb
To: wa3fkg@arrl.net
Cc: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .


Yupper, I run FC4 on many machines.

What did you want to know?

Mike (KF6MPI)
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 14:39 -0400, Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG wrote:
> n0oct@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400
> >"Jacob W Tennant" <k8jwt@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, I'm part of the Notorious *BSD subgroup of this list.
> >
> >
> >
> Well at least you are not running Windoze! :-) Our local Free BSD GuRu
> is Jim Druham aka W2XO. He has forgotten more about BSD than I will ever
> know. Although some day I really want to put a box together and load it
> with Free BSD just to see what it is all about.
>

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From n0nb at networksplus.net  Thu Aug 11 22:13:18 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Thu Aug 11 22:14:35 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using ...
In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f05081107082954f1d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a470a5f05081107082954f1d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050812021317.GC3218@mail.networksplus.net>

* Harv Nelson <harv.nelson@gmail.com> [2005 Aug 11 17:58 -0500]:
> Hi Nate
> 
> You asked:
> 
> >>Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?
> 
> One my answers to this question has been the advertising  of many of
> our suppliers and vendors (including the ARRL).  The ads state that
> the "required OS" is some version of Windows ... even when the CD
> offered for sale contains nothing more than ".pdf" files or text files
> all easily readable with Open Source software.
> 
> One of my responces to this situation has been to offer a FREE Linux cd:
> 
> http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/

I will check this out.  Thanks!

> Those of us who are experienced Linux users can make the point more
> directly with manufacturers and vendors by requesting that necessary
> software be made available for OpenSource systems.  When a competing
> product is available that offers Open Source support, make sure you
> tell the vendors and MANUFACTURER of the "Windows only" product how
> you spent your money, how much money you spent,  and WHY!

I'll admit to not doing this as I'm probably cynical regarding the
impact to be made, however, as always the squeaky wheels get the
grease.  Some years back at Dayton I was walking through the ARRL booth
(been a member for 20+ years) and one of the staffers was showing off
their then new repeater mapping software.  I asked if it worked with
Linux and he got this puzzled look on his face and said it required
Windows of some variety.  So I said I wasn't interested and moved
along.  The look on his face was priceless.  Unfortunately, it's still
Windows only.

> If you intend to write your own scripts or programs to run a
> particular radio or interface, buy the product from the vendor and
> manufacturer who makes his information readily available and
> accessable.  Once your program is running share it with the rest of
> the community so that we can also contribute to it.

Perhaps you've heard of Hamlib.  I've been involved in that project for
the past several years (mostly off as of late) and at least most of the
devices are open and easy to support.  We've had requests for things
like memory cloning software for HTs.  The manufacturers are keeping
that information proprietary so we can't support that without a huge
reverse engineering effort for each radio.

I look back over the past two decades of ham software that has been
left to die because its author stopped updating it for whatever reason.
Imagine how much less work it would be if that code had been released
under a free license so that it could be built upon today.  There are
many nifty programs in the FTP archives that could be very nice if they
could be updated for today's needs.

> Thanks for the $50/hour - 4 hour minimum ... or, Linux for free ...
> suggestion.  I'm going to implement that one here.  I may end up with
> fewer friends but, more time for my own projects, and less baby
> sitting in the long term.

You're welcome!

73, de Nate >>

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From n0nb at networksplus.net  Thu Aug 11 22:56:44 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Thu Aug 11 22:58:18 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <001201c59e7c$804d73a0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
	<001201c59e7c$804d73a0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>

* Jacob W Tennant <k8jwt@adelphia.net> [2005 Aug 11 17:58 -0500]:
> Because so much of society today has become a "plug & play" mentality that 
> the old ways of technical experimentation has died.
> 
> I have seen the same thing around here (Morgantown,WV) in the ham world as 
> I use APRS which is so simple to setup and run but nobody seems interested 
> even though I offer to setup their systems for them, 24hour phone support, 
> training classes on how to run it.
> 
> "If it ain't plug & play, no way"

That is certainly some of it.  Probably a lot of it is that many hams
learned to tame Windows over the past few years and are reluctant to
believe the promises of us Linux advocates.  I've long thought that
what was needed to push Linux into the average ham's shack was one
"killer app".  However, that app has proven to be elusive.  New
technologies like WSJT continue to appear on Windows first and then an
alpha imitation is written for Linux/BSD when some interested party
gets around to it (I'm not knocking those efforts--I just lack the
required skillset to assist).

I am currently in the middle of an A+ certification class my employer
is putting me through.  As a part of this I am enrolled in a community
college and have now been signed up on Microsoft's MSDNAA site for some
of the course materials (at least the instructor is talking up Linux
and two of us in the class are regular users).  I downloaded and
installed Microsoft's Map Point 2004 and I must admit that it is very
nicely done.  I plan to use it with my GPS on the 900+ mile trip home
this weekend.  Unfortunately, such software doesn't exist in the Free
Software world and this is where we are at a distinct disadvantage for
the average GPS using ham.  (Yes, there is GPS Drive, but it lacks the
built-in street level mapping a complete mapping program includes and
users require.  Tedious downloading sessions to get maps of various
zoom levels over even a local area doesn't impress many either.)

Imagine a comparable Open Source mapping program that could have a wiki
style method of updating routes, attractions, and other features of a
modern mapping program.  The software needs to be self-contained so as
to be useful on the road for street level mapping, however updates of 
sites and trip routes could be obtained whenever the user gets an 
Internet connection.  Perhaps there is something like this started 
already listed at:

http://opensourcegis.org/

Such a project might work by aggregating users' GPS tracks and
averaging them together for various routes and sites.  Perhaps if the
project became popular enough companies like hotel chains, restaurants,
etc. could be recruited to list their sites for nominal support of the
project.  At some point the maps would probably be some of the most
accurate available as the information would continually be refined. 
Programs like GPSDrive (or was it gpsd?) can save tracking information 
into an SQL database that would be an easy interface for uploading
route and site data.

Anyone have an idea of how to build this concept into reality?

73, de Nate >>

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  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
             http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           |  "Debian, the choice of
             My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
        http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/       |   http://www.debian.org
From kd4e at verizon.net  Thu Aug 11 09:53:41 2005
From: kd4e at verizon.net (doc)
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:19:38 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <42FB5865.7050001@verizon.net>

No. Left RedHat when they decided to make users (Fedora) their
guinea pigs for their commercial products and went to Suse.

Have recently discovered Puppy Linux which looks to be an
excellent small distro that is highly efficient, works on
older hardware, and is very stable.

doc

Jacob W Tennant wrote:
> Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT


-- 
Thanks! & 73, doc kd4e

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From kd4e at verizon.net  Thu Aug 11 09:59:58 2005
From: kd4e at verizon.net (doc)
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:19:38 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>
	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <42FB59DE.3010409@verizon.net>

> Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?
> 73, de Nate >>


Because Hams are mostly just like other people, fearful of change
in areas they do not understand.

If we introduce them to a Linux distro that is small and simple
and that gets them something Windows does not then we are more
likely to see movement.

I came upon Puppy Linux a couple of weeks ago and I think it,
or something like it, is the answer.  It is free, small, simple
to operate and understand with a good base of folks making it
work.

It allows cheap Hams to use their old PC's and should readily
run all of the apps Hams need.  One neat thing is that it will
run off a CD or mini-CD or memory card or USB memory stick, etc.
making it highly portable.

I am trying to find the time to set up a Ham site with Puppy
and a bunch of Ham apps.

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Thanks! & 73, doc kd4e

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From vince at vincewerber.org  Thu Aug 11 10:18:19 2005
From: vince at vincewerber.org (Vince Werber)
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:19:38 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <001201c59e7c$804d73a0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
	<001201c59e7c$804d73a0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <200508111018.19433.vince@vincewerber.org>

Here! here!  Absolutely!

I'm running Slackware 9.1 and loving every minute of it...  I haven't done 
windoze for years...

73
vince ka1iic in Maine


On Thursday 11 August 2005 09:56 am, Jacob W Tennant wrote:
> Because so much of society today has become a "plug & play" mentality
> that the old ways of technical experimentation has died.
>
> I have seen the same thing around here (Morgantown,WV) in the ham world
> as I use APRS which is so simple to setup and run but nobody seems
> interested even though I offer to setup their systems for them, 24hour
> phone support, training classes on how to run it.
>
> "If it ain't plug & play, no way"
>
> Just my view,
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
>
> > Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?
> >
> > 73, de Nate >>
> >
> > --
> > Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB          |  Successfully
> > Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since
> > January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/           |  "Debian, the
> > choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
> > http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/       |   http://www.debian.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ham-Linux mailing list
> > Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux
>
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From va7nt at telus.net  Thu Aug 11 11:58:26 2005
From: va7nt at telus.net (Paul Erickson)
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:19:39 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42FB75A2.6020500@telus.net>

I have been staying away from FC4 because another application that I 
rely on "Jpilot" is broken in this version. If they get that fixed, I
may upgrade.


-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
cheers, Paul - VA7NT - email: va7nt@telus.net

"Those who hear not the music, think the dancers mad."


From n5bsd at rblprd.com  Thu Aug 11 14:52:08 2005
From: n5bsd at rblprd.com (John- N5BSD)
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:19:39 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050811132939.6c23cdb1@shirley>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAApYK0KAwzm06clVwb68kxLCKXAAAQAAAAwbkX5BhanU2EkJdHssoaqwEAAAAA@rblprd.com>

 I am little farther afield than that :P
I am in a the BSD/ OS X subgroup now


John
N5BSD

Just need to get another G4 machine to use solely as my radio machine
instead of dual-tasking my iBook for it

-----Original Message-----
From: ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n0oct@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:30 PM
To: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:16:21 -0400
"Jacob W Tennant" <k8jwt@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?

No, I'm part of the Notorious *BSD subgroup of this list.

-- 

72, Jim N0OCT
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From kc7zru at kc7zru.net  Thu Aug 11 20:40:43 2005
From: kc7zru at kc7zru.net (KC7ZRU)
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:19:39 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] FC4 Media Check fails
Message-ID: <42FBF00B.3070809@kc7zru.net>

I was getting those a lot earlier on as well.

However, if I forced my burner to run about half speed, I find the
success rate is vastly improved.

Only one coaster in about a half dozen complete sets. Give'n 'em away -
a few use 'em.

73
From laidlaws at hotkey.net.au  Fri Aug 12 02:53:17 2005
From: laidlaws at hotkey.net.au (Doug Laidlaw)
Date: Fri Aug 12 02:54:35 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Install problem
In-Reply-To: <000501c59e91$1adb66c0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
References: <000501c59e91$1adb66c0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <200508121653.17669.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au>

Can you get the ISOs by BitTorrent?  It takes longer, but accuracy is pretty 
well guaranteed.

Doug VK3KDI (Mandriva 2005)

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 2:24 am, Jacob W Tennant wrote:
> Well I figured out my install problem.  At the boot: prompt I typed linux
> ide=nodma and the disc check kicked in and all of my discs are bad!
>
> Will try to download the ISO files again.
>
> This is why most people don't play with linux...
>
> But, I am not detered as I found where I can buy a set of install discs on
> the internet for $8.00 if all else fails.
>
> Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ham-Linux mailing list
> Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux

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From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Fri Aug 12 03:26:07 2005
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Fri Aug 12 07:24:04 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>
	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <42FC4F0F.7070900@lightlink.com>

Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> Why hasn't Linux taken over as the OS of choice for hams?
> 

Because Microsoft still controls what software the major Manufacturer's 
can install on their hardware. If they offer anything but MS-Windows, 
their profit margin will dissappear. It's not legal, but since it 
appears they bribed their way out of the anti-trust conviction, nothing 
is going to be done about it.

The only way to get real choice is to buy a system from one of the 
little guys, or white box computer shops. But that requires planning and 
thought, which is too much like work, so it's a lot easier to go to the 
Dell web site and select one of their standard packages.

If Walmart even sold their Linspire package in the stores, instead of 
just on line, there might be more movement toward Linux.

I currently have three Slackware servers, one with 7.1 (firewall), one 
9.1 and one 10.1. I also have two Slack 10.1 workstations, one with KDE, 
the other with Gnome. I have a Win98SE desktop running Agent, for which 
I have not found an acceptable replacement. Finally, I have a Dell 
Latitude XPiCD Laptop (M166) running Win98SE that I occasionally use as 
a remote console for the servers. I need to build and hang a 2M j-pole 
for an APRS repeater. I have everything else ready.

At work I have one Devil Linux box that is occasionally used on a test 
network as the DHCP server, and a FreeBSD 5.4 system where I am 
developing a test system to emulate a few hundred credit card terminals 
to exercise our transaction servers. We also have a line of products 
running on RedHat EE servers (www.webfood.com).

Movement to open source is slow but inescapable. Keep up the good work.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
                            Jerry Pournelle
From n0nb at networksplus.net  Fri Aug 12 08:41:22 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri Aug 12 08:42:48 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>
References: <20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
	<001201c59e7c$804d73a0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <20050812124122.GG3218@mail.networksplus.net>

As luck would have it, Google turned up a link to a blog from about
three weeks ago where a guy had a day dream much like mine of last
night:

http://www.anders.com/cms/83/GPS/Open.Source.Maps/GIS

73, de Nate >>

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             My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @            |     a GNU generation!"
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From jeffv at op.net  Fri Aug 12 09:02:26 2005
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Fri Aug 12 08:57:33 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
Message-ID: <1123851746.4497.18.camel@jeffforprez>

On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 21:56 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I've long thought that
> what was needed to push Linux into the average ham's shack was one
> "killer app".  However, that app has proven to be elusive.

I'm not your average ham (or geek).  I tried linux just to see if I
could get it running.  Started around RH5.2 and managed to get it going
but didn't do too much.  Found Knoppix (live cd - boot and go), figured
out how to install to HD and haven't looked back.

It's not the killer app for me - it's the stability and independence
from the Redmond Menace.  I have a linux box at home and at work, right
next to the Win boxes I have to run.  I've noticed that I have all sorts
of problems with the Win boxes but I don't have to reboot linux.  Ever.

With the exception of (radio)scanner control software, I have everything
I need under linux.  Yes, it can be a bit daunting at times, and it's
clearly immature, but it's solid as a rock.  That alone should drive the
masses there.



> gets around to it (I'm not knocking those efforts--I just lack the
> required skillset to assist).

hear hear.


> I am currently in the middle of an A+ certification class my employer
> is putting me through.  

do you feel it's going to help you at work?

Or help you find a better job?  :)



> the average GPS using ham.

to be honest, I'm going to avoid this technology.  It tends to be a lot
more two-way than people realize.

I have a problem with APRS too.  I can't imagine why anyone would *want*
people to know where they are :)   (but whatever floats your boat)


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From bdheaton at c4i2.com  Fri Aug 12 09:01:13 2005
From: bdheaton at c4i2.com (bdheaton)
Date: Fri Aug 12 09:02:46 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <200508121301.JAA15348@leviathan.cnchost.com>

Have ya'll looked at Xastir lately?  I consider it to be a good start (if
not already) the killer app.  The mapping support is first-rate, there is
support for street level mapping, image overlays register properly, etc,
etc, etc....

I concur with the "If it ain't plug & play, no way" observation.  I also
know that the majority of hams haven't learned to "tame Windows" either.
The majority of computer discussions I've heard on repeaters and at club
meetings have been very simple things that 5 minutes on Google would have
answered.  

The most disheartening to me is that many of the hams who decry the death of
experimentation in ham radio via the various online forums are the same
people that refuse to try Linux or some other alternative operating system.
That's a disconnect that I don't see going away any time soon.

Right now I'm in Iraq.  Even here I've got:  

	Linux Router: providing QoS, firewalling, DNS, and transparent proxy
forwarding for my SATCOM network.  That same box also terminates the PPTP
secure tunnels from my wireless users.  So far, we're the only folks that
have VoIP working reliably without having to get other folks off the network
to make a call.  Last night we had 3 folks making crystal clear calls at the
same time will a couple more were web surfing.

	Linux Server:  Providing the actual proxy cache, internal web
server, time synchronization, more DNS, etc.

	Linksys WRT54G:  Running the SVEASOFT Linux firmware.  It's the
second best $20 I've ever spent.

	Toshiba Laptop:  Gentoo Linux like the rest of the Linux boxes.  Its
running Xastir and just about every other Linux application there is.  

	I finally got some of my radios shipped in and my next project is
hooking up digital sound-card modes.  All the capability is there under
Linux.  You just have to decide you want to use it and make it happen.

        73/N5VFF


-----Original Message-----
From: ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 06:57
To: Jacob W Tennant
Cc: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .

* Jacob W Tennant <k8jwt@adelphia.net> [2005 Aug 11 17:58 -0500]:
> Because so much of society today has become a "plug & play" mentality that

> the old ways of technical experimentation has died.
> 
> I have seen the same thing around here (Morgantown,WV) in the ham world as

> I use APRS which is so simple to setup and run but nobody seems interested

> even though I offer to setup their systems for them, 24hour phone support,

> training classes on how to run it.
> 
> "If it ain't plug & play, no way"

That is certainly some of it.  Probably a lot of it is that many hams
learned to tame Windows over the past few years and are reluctant to
believe the promises of us Linux advocates.  I've long thought that
what was needed to push Linux into the average ham's shack was one
"killer app".  However, that app has proven to be elusive.  New
technologies like WSJT continue to appear on Windows first and then an
alpha imitation is written for Linux/BSD when some interested party
gets around to it (I'm not knocking those efforts--I just lack the
required skillset to assist).

I am currently in the middle of an A+ certification class my employer
is putting me through.  As a part of this I am enrolled in a community
college and have now been signed up on Microsoft's MSDNAA site for some
of the course materials (at least the instructor is talking up Linux
and two of us in the class are regular users).  I downloaded and
installed Microsoft's Map Point 2004 and I must admit that it is very
nicely done.  I plan to use it with my GPS on the 900+ mile trip home
this weekend.  Unfortunately, such software doesn't exist in the Free
Software world and this is where we are at a distinct disadvantage for
the average GPS using ham.  (Yes, there is GPS Drive, but it lacks the
built-in street level mapping a complete mapping program includes and
users require.  Tedious downloading sessions to get maps of various
zoom levels over even a local area doesn't impress many either.)

Imagine a comparable Open Source mapping program that could have a wiki
style method of updating routes, attractions, and other features of a
modern mapping program.  The software needs to be self-contained so as
to be useful on the road for street level mapping, however updates of 
sites and trip routes could be obtained whenever the user gets an 
Internet connection.  Perhaps there is something like this started 
already listed at:

http://opensourcegis.org/

Such a project might work by aggregating users' GPS tracks and
averaging them together for various routes and sites.  Perhaps if the
project became popular enough companies like hotel chains, restaurants,
etc. could be recruited to list their sites for nominal support of the
project.  At some point the maps would probably be some of the most
accurate available as the information would continually be refined. 
Programs like GPSDrive (or was it gpsd?) can save tracking information 
into an SQL database that would be an easy interface for uploading
route and site data.

Anyone have an idea of how to build this concept into reality?

73, de Nate >>

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From wa3fkg at verizon.net  Fri Aug 12 09:36:15 2005
From: wa3fkg at verizon.net (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Fri Aug 12 09:35:25 2005
Subject: Fw: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <004701c59ece$bf8f0540$0203a8c0@hbco>
References: <004701c59ece$bf8f0540$0203a8c0@hbco>
Message-ID: <42FCA5CF.4020507@verizon.net>

ab6mt wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: ab6mt
>To: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
>
>
>How much memory do you run?  Fedora 2 runs much faster with 384MB of memory,
>but have an idle machine with 256 MB.  Is this enough?  With the amount of
>disk thrashing, it apparently wasn't with Fedora 2.
>
>Also, wish to distribute a "plug and play" OS with ham digital software
>included, particularly with a mode called MT-63 to Navy MARS members.  Has
>anyone been successful loading such programs on Fedora 4?
>
>73 de Bill, AB6MT/NNN0BIO
>ab6mt@sonic.net
>
>  
>
I am writing this on an old Dell Latitude CPx with a 400 mHz processor 
and 256 megs of RAM.  It is no barn burner but for this type of stuff it 
is acceptable.  I think a lot of it has to do with what one expects from 
a system.  I use this box to edit digital photos for email with GIMP and 
am working on a slide presentation for a packet group meeting.  Yes if I 
get more than one application going at once I notice a degradation in 
speed but I live with it.  I bought this laptop for less than $300 and 
it has been a good work horse.  It came from the referb dealer with 
Windows 98 installed and it took me all of five seconds to decide to 
blow that away and install SuSe.  I have since installed Fedora Core 3 
on it and am now running Core 4.  So far I'm very happy with the 
results.  This will become my portable packet machine at some point down 
the road when I get a faster laptop for general use.


-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG   John 3:16
Blog: http://www.wa3fkg.blogspot.com  http://hultonbridge.blogspot.com
Member of the American Radio Relay League
Pittsburgh Area Scanner net on Sunday evenings 9:00PM on 147.090 mHz.
The Box said "Win95,98,2000 NT4.0 or better" So I installed Linux !
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. (c)

From n0nb at networksplus.net  Fri Aug 12 09:35:55 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri Aug 12 09:37:23 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <200508121301.JAA15348@leviathan.cnchost.com>
References: <20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>
	<200508121301.JAA15348@leviathan.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20050812133555.GH3218@mail.networksplus.net>

* bdheaton <bdheaton@c4i2.com> [2005 Aug 12 08:04 -0500]:
> Have ya'll looked at Xastir lately?  I consider it to be a good start (if
> not already) the killer app.  The mapping support is first-rate, there is
> support for street level mapping, image overlays register properly, etc,
> etc, etc....

Yes, I've tried it, maybe about a year or so ago.  Unless it now comes
with a comprehensive street-level map database, one must nearly have a
constant Internet connection to make it useful for a street-level
mapping tool.  Sadly, this is where the commercial offerings have it
over an Internet based version.  Out in the boonies, if you haven't
previously anticipated the map you need, you're out of luck.  Granted,
Xastir isn't intended to be a street-level mapping tool, but that is
what I need, with route planning.

> I concur with the "If it ain't plug & play, no way" observation.  I also
> know that the majority of hams haven't learned to "tame Windows" either.
> The majority of computer discussions I've heard on repeaters and at club
> meetings have been very simple things that 5 minutes on Google would have
> answered.  

Perhaps I have just learned to tune out such conversations and didn't
realize there were still such difficulties.  The company supplied me
with a nice laptop for the A+ course and so far XP has been very well
behaved.  But then I've never had the problems with Windows that others
have had over the years, but maybe I'm special.  :-)

> The most disheartening to me is that many of the hams who decry the death of
> experimentation in ham radio via the various online forums are the same
> people that refuse to try Linux or some other alternative operating system.
> That's a disconnect that I don't see going away any time soon.

That's a sad observation, but true in too many instances.

> Right now I'm in Iraq.  Even here I've got:  

Thank you for your service.

> 	Linux Router: providing QoS, firewalling, DNS, and transparent proxy
> forwarding for my SATCOM network.  That same box also terminates the PPTP
> secure tunnels from my wireless users.  So far, we're the only folks that
> have VoIP working reliably without having to get other folks off the network
> to make a call.  Last night we had 3 folks making crystal clear calls at the
> same time will a couple more were web surfing.
> 
> 	Linux Server:  Providing the actual proxy cache, internal web
> server, time synchronization, more DNS, etc.
> 
> 	Linksys WRT54G:  Running the SVEASOFT Linux firmware.  It's the
> second best $20 I've ever spent.
> 
> 	Toshiba Laptop:  Gentoo Linux like the rest of the Linux boxes.  Its
> running Xastir and just about every other Linux application there is.  
> 
> 	I finally got some of my radios shipped in and my next project is
> hooking up digital sound-card modes.  All the capability is there under
> Linux.  You just have to decide you want to use it and make it happen.
> 
>         73/N5VFF

Other than being in Iraq, it looks like you're having fun.

I know several hams whose primary purpose for owning a laptop is travel
mapping.  Linux is not a consideration for them all other things being
equal.  There's no technical reason why the commercial vendors could
not support an LSB distribution, but they probably don't see a viable
market.  Sadly, for a self contained travel mapping application, I will
have to use the XP box for the time being.  I've deprived myself of a
tool like this for many years believing we in the Free Software
community would solve these issues.  Where I am I don't have access to
a printer for making hard-copy maps of my weekend route so having Map 
Point available should be quite useful.

I guess I've stepped down from my idealogical platform for now and
decided to use the best tool available for the job.

73, de Nate >>

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From n0nb at networksplus.net  Fri Aug 12 09:40:51 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri Aug 12 09:42:06 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <1123851746.4497.18.camel@jeffforprez>
References: <1123851746.4497.18.camel@jeffforprez>
Message-ID: <20050812134051.GI3218@mail.networksplus.net>

* jeff <jeffv@op.net> [2005 Aug 12 07:59 -0500]:
> 
> do you feel it's going to help you at work?
> 
> Or help you find a better job?  :)

No, and no.  It's part of an agreement a couple of years back that for
a substantial pay increase, many of us would take technology courses. 
This is the first, it appears a networking certification will be next. 
The reason for A+ is that by having a good portion of us techs
certified, our vendors will allow the company to perform its own
maintenance and warranty work on its computers.  We can often provide
more timely and accurate service than a vendor tech that must drive a
few hours or more to reach one of our sites.

> to be honest, I'm going to avoid this technology.  It tends to be a lot
> more two-way than people realize.
> 
> I have a problem with APRS too.  I can't imagine why anyone would *want*
> people to know where they are :)   (but whatever floats your boat)

Interesting observation.

73, de Nate >>

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From bdheaton at c4i2.com  Fri Aug 12 09:49:05 2005
From: bdheaton at c4i2.com (bdheaton)
Date: Fri Aug 12 09:50:25 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050812133555.GH3218@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <200508121349.JAA14630@leviathan.cnchost.com>

The street-level database doesn't come with the initial download, but there
is street-level mapping support now.  I used it before I came over.  

My next project is to DL all the DOI-10M stuff and fold that into Xastir.
Last time I tried it I hit some snags with the GeoTIFF reprojection code.
Now I may have some time to dig into it and submit a patch if it isn't
already fixed.  

Experimenting with new things in Linux and especially ham radio
interconnections is what I do to pass the downtime here.  Overall, I'm
having the most fun I've had in years!

   73/N5VFF


-----Original Message-----
From: ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 17:36
To: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .

* bdheaton <bdheaton@c4i2.com> [2005 Aug 12 08:04 -0500]:
> Have ya'll looked at Xastir lately?  I consider it to be a good start (if
> not already) the killer app.  The mapping support is first-rate, there is
> support for street level mapping, image overlays register properly, etc,
> etc, etc....

Yes, I've tried it, maybe about a year or so ago.  Unless it now comes
with a comprehensive street-level map database, one must nearly have a
constant Internet connection to make it useful for a street-level
mapping tool.  Sadly, this is where the commercial offerings have it
over an Internet based version.  Out in the boonies, if you haven't
previously anticipated the map you need, you're out of luck.  Granted,
Xastir isn't intended to be a street-level mapping tool, but that is
what I need, with route planning.


From dtx at wood.tzo.com  Fri Aug 12 10:45:39 2005
From: dtx at wood.tzo.com (dtx)
Date: Fri Aug 12 10:47:13 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050812133555.GH3218@mail.networksplus.net>
References: <20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>	<200508121301.JAA15348@leviathan.cnchost.com>
	<20050812133555.GH3218@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <42FCB613.9010601@wood.tzo.com>

First, while XP-Pro is the best version of Windoze that M$ has shipped, 
it is still far from good.  BUT, until there is a version of a PC Sound 
card Digi-mode app with all the niceties of MixW2, I will continue to 
have atleast 1 box around here running it or its replacement.  So don't 
feel bad about compromising your ideology<G>  We all do ( or will).

The other machines and laptops are running some Debian kernel based 
distro.  My current favorites are DSL for laptops ( or desktops) with 
low memory, hard drive and Mips and Kubuntu for those with space and 
Mips for a full blown, give me all of everything system.   All items 
subject to change without prior notice.  I have a copy of Puppy to 
eval;  a month or two ago it was Mepis instead of (K)ubuntu.

Gary WA6DTX

Nate Bargmann wrote:

>* bdheaton <bdheaton@c4i2.com> [2005 Aug 12 08:04 -0500]:
>  
>
> [snip]
>
>I guess I've stepped down from my idealogical platform for now and
>decided to use the best tool available for the job.
>
>73, de Nate >>
>
>  
>

From mschmitt1 at adelphia.net  Fri Aug 12 11:20:12 2005
From: mschmitt1 at adelphia.net (Mike Schmitt)
Date: Fri Aug 12 11:21:18 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
Message-ID: <1123859981.2910.13.camel@linux.local>

I am using FC-3 at work on several workstations now. I have not had much
of any trouble with it at all. One thing that troubles me just a little
bit is the use of KDE on some of the lower end systems. I have not put
FC-3 on any really low end stuff but would not choose KDE for one. I
would check out something like Fluxbox or blackbox. It may not be quite
as easy to set up but they are blistering fast for lower end computers.
Check out Fluxbox if you want something that will make the older systems
scream. I think you will be surprised at how they will go like the
faster ones with less overhead..


Mike Schmitt
N1MS

From wcj9996 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 12 12:29:05 2005
From: wcj9996 at comcast.net (Walt)
Date: Fri Aug 12 12:30:18 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <42FB75C1.1020504@kemker.org>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net>
	<42FB75C1.1020504@kemker.org>
Message-ID: <200508120929.05954.wcj9996@comcast.net>

John:

Thanks for the reply.  I tried several soundcards with FC3 with the same 
results.  I had no problems with Digipan under W98, so I doubt that it is a 
hardware or RF problem.  

  walt, W7PRB

On Thursday 11 August 2005 08:58, John Kemker wrote:
> This is fairly simple to fix.  Quit using the motherboard sound chip and
> get a separate sound card.
>
> The on board sound chips use your CPU for DSP, which puts a tremendous
> drain on your system.  I highly recommend almost anything by Turtle
> Beach as well as the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy series.
>
> --JohnK.
> 73 de W5NNH
>
> Walt wrote:
> >I have been using FC4 for the past 3 months or so.
> >
> >I use KPSK 1.0.1 and am having some problems with the transmitt mode.  It
> > will suddenly shift frequency or stop sending the idle carrier.  I am
> > using the FIC  AU13 motherboard sound chip.  nForce2 AC97 V2.2  It worked
> > well with RH-9 and KPSK 1.0.0 .  I am wondering if anyone else has had a
> > similar problem, and what was done about it.
> >
> >I would like to know if anyone has had any sucess running  the Kenwood
> > memory programs under WINE.
> >
> >  walt, W7PRB
> >
> >On Wednesday 10 August 2005 21:16, Jacob W Tennant wrote:
> >
> >
> > <><>Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
> >
> > Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
>
> <><>---
>
> John Kemker
>
> "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to
> command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit
> the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these
> editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but
> didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place
> to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a
> newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
-----  walt -----
From harv.nelson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 12:53:18 2005
From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson)
Date: Fri Aug 12 12:54:33 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <200508120929.05954.wcj9996@comcast.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<200508110841.41199.wcj9996@comcast.net> <42FB75C1.1020504@kemker.org>
	<200508120929.05954.wcj9996@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6a470a5f05081209533be6c227@mail.gmail.com>

After your boot up is complete, try running "alsaconf" from a command
line (you'll need root's word).   Just follow the bread crumbs ...
give it "OK" or "yes" when it asks.  Then try re-running your aps. 
That's what works here (Knoppix has problems, but a straight Debian
has no problems).

Harv, AI9NL

On 8/12/05, Walt <wcj9996@comcast.net> wrote:
> John:
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  I tried several soundcards with FC3 with the same
> results.  I had no problems with Digipan under W98, so I doubt that it is a
> hardware or RF problem.
> 
>   walt, W7PRB
> 
> On Thursday 11 August 2005 08:58, John Kemker wrote:
> > This is fairly simple to fix.  Quit using the motherboard sound chip and
> > get a separate sound card.
> >
> > The on board sound chips use your CPU for DSP, which puts a tremendous
> > drain on your system.  I highly recommend almost anything by Turtle
> > Beach as well as the Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy series.
> >
> > --JohnK.
> > 73 de W5NNH
> >
> > Walt wrote:
> > >I have been using FC4 for the past 3 months or so.
> > >
> > >I use KPSK 1.0.1 and am having some problems with the transmitt mode.  It
> > > will suddenly shift frequency or stop sending the idle carrier.  I am
> > > using the FIC  AU13 motherboard sound chip.  nForce2 AC97 V2.2  It worked
> > > well with RH-9 and KPSK 1.0.0 .  I am wondering if anyone else has had a
> > > similar problem, and what was done about it.
> > >
> > >I would like to know if anyone has had any sucess running  the Kenwood
> > > memory programs under WINE.
> > >
> > >  walt, W7PRB
> > >
> > >On Wednesday 10 August 2005 21:16, Jacob W Tennant wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > <><>Is there anyone using Fedora Core 4 for there linux system?
> > >
> > > Jacob Tennant - K8JWT
> >
> > <><>---
> >
> > John Kemker
> >
> > "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to
> > command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit
> > the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these
> > editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but
> > didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place
> > to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a
> > newspaper." --Robert E. Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ham-Linux mailing list
> > Ham-Linux@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-linux
> 
> --
> -----  walt -----
> _______________________________________________
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From bdheaton at c4i2.com  Fri Aug 12 13:32:18 2005
From: bdheaton at c4i2.com (bdheaton)
Date: Fri Aug 12 13:33:50 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Install problem 
In-Reply-To: <000501c59e91$1adb66c0$1202a8c0@BETSY>
Message-ID: <200508121732.NAA22795@leviathan.cnchost.com>

Its also possible that you just got a bad burn.  Since the ISO files were
downloaded via TCP its rather difficult for the files themselves to be bad.
You can also verify this with the MD5 sums that are normally available to
the ISOs.

      73/N5VFF


-----Original Message-----
From: ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-linux-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jacob W Tennant
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 20:24
To: ham-linux@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Install problem 

Well I figured out my install problem.  At the boot: prompt I typed linux 
ide=nodma and the disc check kicked in and all of my discs are bad!

Will try to download the ISO files again.

This is why most people don't play with linux...

But, I am not detered as I found where I can buy a set of install discs on 
the internet for $8.00 if all else fails.

Jacob Tennant - K8JWT 

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From leif at sm5bsz.com  Fri Aug 12 17:22:58 2005
From: leif at sm5bsz.com (leif@sm5bsz.com)
Date: Fri Aug 12 17:21:39 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using . . .
Message-ID: <CFEIKLJOPPJLBFPEJHKOCEJLEGAA.leif@sm5bsz.com>

Hi Nate and all,

> That is certainly some of it.  Probably a lot of it is that many hams
> learned to tame Windows over the past few years and are reluctant to
> believe the promises of us Linux advocates.  I've long thought that
> what was needed to push Linux into the average ham's shack was one
> "killer app".  However, that app has proven to be elusive.  New
> technologies like WSJT continue to appear on Windows first and then an
> alpha imitation is written for Linux/BSD when some interested party
> gets around to it (I'm not knocking those efforts--I just lack the
> required skillset to assist).

Linrad is available for Linux only. It is an SDR package that allows
reception under heavy QRN+QRM when no other radio will work. It has
brought many new users to Linux:-)

The Linrad home page is here:
http://www.sm5bsz.com/linuxdsp/linrad.htm

The usage of Linrad has been growing very slowly because it does not
run under MS Windows. As a consequence the demand for appropriate
hardware has grown very slowly so cost efficient solutions do not
yet exist for people who are unwilling to build their own equipment.

Linrad uses soundcards to get data into the computer. I have made
a chain of converters available to sample two channels at 90 kHz
bandwidth each with extremely high dynamic range. The next version
of Linrad can use the SDR-14 which is a bit cheaper but has much lower
dynamic range although probably good enough for most amateur usages.

My problem is the opposite to what has been discussed. A Windows 
version would open the market for good hardware at lower cost.
I am waiting for others to help with that but the process is 
extremely slow, after months of waiting I have heard nothing.

Is there perhaps someone on this list who knows how I could set up
a Makefile to use with Linux make to produce an executable for
Microsoft Windows? If you have any idea, I would very much
appreciate the complete project.tgz for a program that does
the following:

1) Open an empty window on the screen with size X1,Y1,X2,Y2
These parameters should be fixed in the source code but values
from 25% up to 100% of the screen have to be acceptable.

2) Paint the entire window black (if it is not already by default)

3) Put a coloured pixel at A,B (fixed parameters in the source code)

4) Read one character from the keyboard and exit if the character
is X. Otherwise change the colour of the pixel at A,B 

If someone could help by supplying the appropriate tarball I am
pretty sure I can use it to change the Makefile of Linrad so it
would produce a linrad.exe for use under Windows besides the 
linrad file that will run on the computer on which it was
compiled.

The idea is that experimenters use Linux. Some users already use their 
own bits of source code with Linrad. For Linux, source code only will
be available. Experimenters can do whatever modifications they wish
and then compile a version for their friends who only know how 
to use MS Windows:-)

73

Leif / SM5BSZ


From w.dahl4 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 13 12:31:13 2005
From: w.dahl4 at verizon.net (Wayne Dahl)
Date: Sat Aug 13 12:32:33 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <42FC4F0F.7070900@lightlink.com>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>
	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
	<42FC4F0F.7070900@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <1123950673.4233.3.camel@Guilo>

On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 07:26 +0000, Bob McConnell wrote:

> I have a Win98SE desktop running Agent, for which 
> I have not found an acceptable replacement.

I haven't used Agent since my Win95 days, so I have no idea what the
newer versions look like or what their capabilities are.  Have you tried
Pan?  I've found it a very acceptable news client and works for most of
the things I've tried on Usenet, although, I do admit I rarely do the
Usenet thing.


-- 
Wayne Dahl
WD5W
1970's Citizens Band call KWK-0364

From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Sat Aug 13 12:41:04 2005
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:39:18 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <1123950673.4233.3.camel@Guilo>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>	<42FC4F0F.7070900@lightlink.com>
	<1123950673.4233.3.camel@Guilo>
Message-ID: <42FE22A0.2080505@lightlink.com>

Wayne Dahl wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 07:26 +0000, Bob McConnell wrote:
> 
> 
>>I have a Win98SE desktop running Agent, for which 
>>I have not found an acceptable replacement.
> 
> 
> I haven't used Agent since my Win95 days, so I have no idea what the
> newer versions look like or what their capabilities are.  Have you tried
> Pan?  I've found it a very acceptable news client and works for most of
> the things I've tried on Usenet, although, I do admit I rarely do the
> Usenet thing.
> 

Hi Wayne,

Yes, I have been playing with Pan for a while. There are several things 
I don't like about it.

1. It takes three actions to download a message (select, flag, download 
flagged). In Agent it is only two (select and Ctrl-D).

2. It takes a different three actions to download and save an 
attachment. In Agent it is the same two.

3. Pan does not keep downloaded messages after they are removed from the 
server. After I download them, I will decide when to delete them. I 
don't care what happens to the the copy on the server.

4. Pan has one keystroke to move to the next message, but you need a 
different key to move to the next group. In Agent, 'N' will do both.

5. Incomplete binaries show up as the individual sections, which makes 
it much more difficult to mark and delete the whole set. It's even worse 
when section 1 is missing.

6. There is no way to limit the number of threads and connections it 
will try to open. Roadrunner news servers will only accept four 
connections from a single IP address. And when Pan has more than two or 
three connections open, it forgets to check for keyboard/mouse input and 
update the screen, sometimes for several minutes.

There are other differences, but they are mostly irritations. These are 
the problems I have on a day to day basis. It does work well for 
binaries, as long as I don't want to read any messages without 
attachments. I want to look at some other news readers, but not until 
things slow down a bit at home and work, probably after Holloween.

Thanks,

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From kd4e at verizon.net  Fri Aug 12 09:47:55 2005
From: kd4e at verizon.net (doc)
Date: Sat Aug 13 21:01:56 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Re: APRS Applications [Was: Anyone using . . .]
In-Reply-To: <20050812134051.GI3218@mail.networksplus.net>
References: <1123851746.4497.18.camel@jeffforprez>
	<20050812134051.GI3218@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <42FCA88B.3020708@verizon.net>

>>I have a problem with APRS too.  I can't imagine why anyone would *want*
>>people to know where they are :)   (but whatever floats your boat)
> Interesting observation.
> 73, de Nate >>

It is most valuable during emergency activities where one needs to
track emergency response (ambulance, etc), communications, evacuation, 
and supply vehicles.

It is also a good tool for access to radio-linked personal weather
stations.

On a daily basis I also am not sure why one would want others to
be able to track ones movements!

-- 
Thanks! & 73, doc kd4e

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From leif at sm5bsz.com  Fri Aug 12 14:03:02 2005
From: leif at sm5bsz.com (leif@sm5bsz.com)
Date: Sat Aug 13 21:01:56 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <20050812025644.GD3218@mail.networksplus.net>
Message-ID: <CFEIKLJOPPJLBFPEJHKOGEJJEGAA.leif@sm5bsz.com>

Hi Nate and all,

> That is certainly some of it.  Probably a lot of it is that many hams
> learned to tame Windows over the past few years and are reluctant to
> believe the promises of us Linux advocates.  I've long thought that
> what was needed to push Linux into the average ham's shack was one
> "killer app".  However, that app has proven to be elusive.  New
> technologies like WSJT continue to appear on Windows first and then an
> alpha imitation is written for Linux/BSD when some interested party
> gets around to it (I'm not knocking those efforts--I just lack the
> required skillset to assist).

Linrad is available for Linux only. It is an SDR package that allows
reception under heavy QRN+QRM when no other radio will work. It has
brought many new users to Linux:-)

The Linrad home page is here:
http://www.sm5bsz.com/linuxdsp/linrad.htm

The usage of Linrad has been growing very slowly because it does not
run under MS Windows. As a consequence the demand for appropriate
hardware has grown very slowly so cost efficient solutions do not
yet exist for people who are unwilling to build their own equipment.

Linrad uses soundcards to get data into the computer. I have made
a chain of converters available to sample two channels at 90 kHz
bandwidth each with extremely high dynamic range. The next version
of Linrad can use the SDR-14 which is a bit cheaper but has much lower
dynamic range although probably good enough for most amateur usages.

My problem is the opposite to what has been discussed. A Windows 
version would open the market for good hardware at lower cost.
I am waiting for others to help with that but the process is 
extremely slow, after months of waiting I have heard nothing.

Is there perhaps someone on this list who knows how I could set up
a Makefile to use with Linux make to produce an executable for
Microsoft Windows? If you have any idea, I would very much
appreciate the complete project.tgz for a program that does
the following:

1) Open an empty window on the screen with size X1,Y1,X2,Y2
These parameters should be fixed in the source code but values
from 25% up to 100% of the screen have to be acceptable.

2) Paint the entire window black (if it is not already by default)

3) Put a coloured pixel at A,B (fixed parameters in the source code)

4) Read one character from the keyboard and exit if the character
is X. Otherwise change the colour of the pixel at A,B 

If someone could help by supplying the appropriate tarball I am
pretty sure I can use it to change the Makefile of Linrad so it
would produce a linrad.exe for use under Windows besides the 
linrad file that will run on the computer on which it was
compiled.

The idea is that experimenters use Linux. Some users already use their 
own bits of source code with Linrad. For Linux, source code only will
be available. Experimenters can do whatever modifications they wish
and then compile a version for their friends who only know how 
to use MS Windows:-)

73

Leif / SM5BSZ


From rmcconne at lightlink.com  Sat Aug 13 18:24:49 2005
From: rmcconne at lightlink.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Sat Aug 13 22:23:12 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <CFEIKLJOPPJLBFPEJHKOGEJJEGAA.leif@sm5bsz.com>
References: <CFEIKLJOPPJLBFPEJHKOGEJJEGAA.leif@sm5bsz.com>
Message-ID: <42FE7331.1050904@lightlink.com>

leif@sm5bsz.com wrote:
> 
> Is there perhaps someone on this list who knows how I could set up
> a Makefile to use with Linux make to produce an executable for
> Microsoft Windows? If you have any idea, I would very much
> appreciate the complete project.tgz for a program that does
> the following:
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Leif / SM5BSZ

The cygwin package from RedHat installs a shell, Unix style utilities 
and gcc on a Windows system. It can be used to port a Linux application 
onto that half baked OS. You can compile it so it will run standalone, 
or require the cygwin.dll. You can find it at <http://www.cygwin.com/>. 
Be prepared to give up about 1.5 GB of hard drive to install it.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
From ka4inm at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Aug 14 00:00:49 2005
From: ka4inm at tampabay.rr.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Sun Aug 14 00:02:27 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] RE: Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <42FE7331.1050904@lightlink.com>
References: <CFEIKLJOPPJLBFPEJHKOGEJJEGAA.leif@sm5bsz.com>
	<42FE7331.1050904@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <42FEC1F1.9020500@tampabay.rr.com>

>> Is there perhaps someone on this list who knows how I could set up
>> a Makefile to use with Linux make to produce an executable for
>> Microsoft Windows?

   Cross compile, nope I can't think of any reason I would ever want to
do that.  I am stuck with WIN 2000 Pro. on the 2.43 gig (P4) Dell on my desk
at work, and it is so much slower than my 1 gig AMD W/Slackware 10 computer
at home, I would never WANT to do anything with it instead of doing it at
home and bring it to work on a thumb (jump) drive.  It might be obvious,
I have been 100% LINUX for 7 or 8 years.
-- 
    Ron
From ab6mt at sonic.net  Sun Aug 14 11:16:07 2005
From: ab6mt at sonic.net (ab6mt)
Date: Sun Aug 14 11:18:22 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
References: <200508121301.JAA15348@leviathan.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5a0e3$1bd82e60$0203a8c0@hbco>

I just installed Fedora 4.  I would like to install gmfsk on this system.
Attempting to do so yielded a pleasant automated process, except missing
dependencies were indicated:

libfftw.so.2
libhamlib-1.2.0.so.2

So, merrily I go along to look up hamlib.  There, ran into a whole raft of
various versions, an RPM for Fedora 2, but only for version 1.2.4.  Is this
compatable?  Is this compatable for linux, or are there eighty different
versions of linux for which separate compliations are required?  Well, there
are also milestone versions, including the specified 1.2.0, but don't know
about 1.2.0.so.2 or whether that is significant.  Anyway, there is a
download procedure to obtain a GPG key (security run amok), did that.  Then
have to carve up a yum.conf file on the system here, clear enough.  Then ran
"yum install hamlib".  That yielded a 17-line error message which appears to
indicate that the script cannot access an "repomd.xml" file in the
repository, or in another mirror.

Not deterred (yet) I then try for libfftw.so.2.  Although I started at the
OH2BNS home page, I had started instead at an RPM repository (URL since
lost) to install gmfsk as described above.  But that repository didn't have
any reference to the required dependencies.

Going back and forth, I stumbed across a page from K5DI which documents
another procedure that might install gmfsk.  A series of special steps were
documented which might ease the path somewhat.  It looks like the libfftw
package requires both the compled version AND installation of the source
code to work, more clutter, but so what.  Further, access to FFTW indicates
Redhat packages already come with their own versions and they are
recommended.  Anyway, clicked on fftw to start.  That yielded a download
page, but clicking further did nothing.  Well, with typical Linux
distraction, I am loosing track of (1) what the first objective was -
installing, what was it?  oh, gmfsk.  And, (2) where am I?  I am now faced
with a screen with one alert box showing fftw-2.1.3-1.src.rpm,
fftw-3.0.1.tar.gz, hamlib-1.2.4.tar.gz, gmfs-0.6-1.i386.rpm, all which can
be opened or removed    A second alert states that file
/tmp/fftw-2.1.3-1.src-1.rpm is a source RPM which cannot be installed with
system-config packages.  Clicking on fftw-2.1.3-1.src.rpm "open" yielded the
same result.   Going back to the  K5DI page, he specifies downloading RPM
versions of these files, but they don't exist on the referenced page.
Anyway, I thought I had alread installed this library in a previous attempt
at installing gmfsk.

Well, at this point, it is time to stop and ask questions.  If anyone
wonders why Linux is complicated, or if they have some strange curiousity,
they might attempt to recreate what I have just been through, and see where
to go next.   Caution:  it will take hours.  The real difficulty is not
stumbling through this maze, but to provide a way for others who are much
less literate in computer technology than I (which is saying very little) to
install gmfsk, or any other ham software for that matter.

Is it really true that one has to follow a specific version of Linux
operating system to install an applications packge?

ref. K5DI
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/gmfsk/gmfsk.htm



----- Original Message ----- 
From: bdheaton
<snips>

I concur with the "If it ain't plug & play, no way" observation.  I also
know that the majority of hams haven't learned to "tame Windows" either.
The majority of computer discussions I've heard on repeaters and at club
meetings have been very simple things that 5 minutes on Google would have
answered.

The most disheartening to me is that many of the hams who decry the death of
experimentation in ham radio via the various online forums are the same
people that refuse to try Linux or some other alternative operating system.
That's a disconnect that I don't see going away any time soon.

.

From gregp at stdio.com  Wed Aug 17 13:31:51 2005
From: gregp at stdio.com (Greg Parsons)
Date: Wed Aug 17 13:34:04 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] Anyone using . . .
In-Reply-To: <42FB59DE.3010409@verizon.net>
References: <000301c59e2b$6fb03b50$1202a8c0@BETSY>	<42FB3D10.1010703@verizon.net>	<20050811122638.GD3456@mail.networksplus.net>
	<42FB59DE.3010409@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <43037487.5010202@stdio.com>

I have been using a live CD distro called Harv's Hamshack Hack, it is on 
Knoppix 3.8
I have had 0 problems out of it, and it has all the programs you can 
think of, or that I could think of needing
for what I like to do on the radio. He says it will run on a 486 with 
16m in text mode or 96m for Xwindows.
I am running it on a real old Hitachi K6-2/233 with 128m of ram and it 
works just fine. There is options to
save your settings to the hard drive, you can get it to use the windows 
swap drive or make your own. Like I said
I have had no issues with it and I think if you wanted to show it to a 
non Linux using ham this would be a good one to show them.
In case your wondering, no I have no relations to the software except I 
use it and like it, and I do have bot Unix and Linux
experience, just this one is so easy and works without me having to do 
anything to it!
The URL to look at the distro is http://hamshack-hack.sourceforge.net/ 
so take a look and see what you think.

Greg
ke4ooo/8



From n8xct at arrl.net  Wed Aug 17 14:01:21 2005
From: n8xct at arrl.net (Joe Testa - N8XCT)
Date: Thu Aug 18 22:11:31 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] repeater controller
Message-ID: <43037B71.6080407@arrl.net>

Is anyone out there working on or toyed around with the idea of a linux 
based repeater controller?

we have some drc-186 controllers that run on dos on old PCs and we'd 
like to see if we can get one built for linux(instead of closed source 
code).

I am a willing to help out with coding etc, been doing C off/on since 
'85(ouch its been that long).

73, joe

-- 
Joe Testa, N8XCT, Red Cross Health and Safety Instructor
Amateur Radio is like CPR. Not everybody knows it, but if there is an emergency, you pray somebody around you does.
YAHOO: jtesta8965   MSN: jtesta8965@hotmail.com   AIM: joen8xct   ICQ: 2832230

From n0nb at networksplus.net  Fri Aug 19 07:09:13 2005
From: n0nb at networksplus.net (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri Aug 19 07:11:36 2005
Subject: [Ham-Linux] repeater controller
In-Reply-To: <43037B71.6080407@arrl.net>
References: <43037B71.6080407@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <20050819110912.GG4672@mail.networksplus.net>

* Joe Testa - N8XCT <n8xct@arrl.net> [2005 Aug 18 21:18 -0500]:
> Is anyone out there working on or toyed around with the idea of a linux 
> based repeater controller?
> 
> we have some drc-186 controllers that run on dos on old PCs and we'd 
> like to see if we can get one built for linux(instead of closed source 
> code).
> 
> I am a willing to help out with coding etc, been doing C off/on since 
> '85(ouch its been that long).
> 
> 73, joe

Heh, time sneaks up on a person.

Google revealed a couple of interesting links:

http://www.zapatatelephony.org/app_rpt.html
http://svxlink.sourceforge.net/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/repeater/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/oarrs/ (I think this is the same as
the one above)

There are plenty more, most having to do with IRLP and additions to the
basic IRLP system it would seem.  There seem to be endless
possibilities with a cheap low power VIA motherboard and some other
hardware like the telephony boards the first link was using.

HTH,

73, de Nate >>

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