From wa5cab at cs.com Sun Oct 18 03:12:08 2020 From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 02:12:08 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] (no subject) References: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$.ref@com> Message-ID: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> My main email address is still WA5CAB at cs.com. .Has anyone else heard about a supposedly pending change on AOL.com or CS.com because Oathe bought them or something similar to that. The change will supposedly lock out anyone not using their Cloud email service but still using a 3rd party mail manager to periodically log into their server and download all new mail?? Unless you delete your log-in and re-establish it. This certainly seems like something that they would do to cause trouble but all message supposedly from them have been addressed to "Member" or other generic salutations. The drop-dead date is supposedly the 20th. I have called their support number two or three times but I don't have a lot of faith in them not even knowing that this is going on. And their English isn't much better than my Arabic, Indian or Farsi. Robert Downs WA5CAB From wa5cab at cs.com Sun Oct 18 03:22:22 2020 From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 02:22:22 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM In-Reply-To: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> References: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$.ref@com> <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> Message-ID: <000501d6a51f$6c6a18b0$453e4a10$@com> I forgot to enter a Subject. Robert Downs -----Original Message----- From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Downs via Ham-Computers Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 02:12 To: 'Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or experimenting' Subject: [Ham-Computers] (no subject) My main email address is still WA5CAB at cs.com. Has anyone else heard about a supposedly pending change on AOL.com or CS.com because Oathe bought them or something similar to that. The change will supposedly lock out anyone not using their Cloud email service but still using a 3rd party mail manager to periodically log into their server and download all new mail?? Unless you delete your log-in and re-establish it. This certainly seems like something that they would do to cause trouble but all message supposedly from them have been addressed to "Member" or other generic salutations. The drop-dead date is supposedly the 20th. I have called their support number two or three times but I don't have a lot of faith in them not even knowing that this is going on. And their English isn't much better than my Arabic, Indian or Farsi. Robert Downs WA5CAB From kd7jyk at earthlink.net Sun Oct 18 03:24:35 2020 From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:24:35 -0700 Subject: [Ham-Computers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> References: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$.ref@com> <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> Message-ID: <17c5a8fc-4a78-877b-a552-678b063b9f3b@earthlink.net> I find some references online to that being a scam, as far back as 2017. Is the phone number you have for cs.com, or aol.com? Is it support for the "Oathe" message? If so, please send it to me, I have a way with such things... Kurt From kd7jyk at earthlink.net Sun Oct 18 03:28:42 2020 From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:28:42 -0700 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Link: Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> References: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$.ref@com> <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> Message-ID: <7d4dfd30-cbaa-00c2-a30a-e5d80e29149b@earthlink.net> Forgot a reference. This mentions the "20th", but April of 2019. https://www.cybersafewarwickshire.com/aol-oath-switch-phishing-scam-email Kurt From wa5cab at cs.com Sun Oct 18 03:55:42 2020 From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 02:55:42 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Link: Re: Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM In-Reply-To: <7d4dfd30-cbaa-00c2-a30a-e5d80e29149b@earthlink.net> References: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$.ref@com> <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> <7d4dfd30-cbaa-00c2-a30a-e5d80e29149b@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601d6a524$14a56e40$3df04ac0$@com> Kurt, Thanks. All of that sounds pretty similar to what I've been receiving recently. I think that the messages earlier this year were somewhat different although I deleted all of them and don't exactly recall how they differed. But in any case, all of my messages (or at least those that I save) are stored locally. There was a change earlier this year when T was initially taken to a different site and once there, had to click on a MAIL prompt to finally get to new messages. What bothers me is that AOL/Compuserve haven't bothered to inform their support people that this has been going on. And they haven't bothered to send any warnings to all of their subscribers. Robert Downs -----Original Message----- From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KD7JYK DM09 Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 02:29 To: Robert Downs via Ham-Computers Subject: [Ham-Computers] Link: Re: (no subject) Forgot a reference. This mentions the "20th", but April of 2019. https://www.cybersafewarwickshire.com/aol-oath-switch-phishing-scam-email Kurt ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Gary Harmon, K5JWK ** For Assistance: gharmon at idworld.net ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kd7jyk at earthlink.net Mon Oct 19 01:24:41 2020 From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 22:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Link: Re: Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM In-Reply-To: <000601d6a524$14a56e40$3df04ac0$@com> References: <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$.ref@com> <000001d6a51d$fe701040$fb5030c0$@com> <7d4dfd30-cbaa-00c2-a30a-e5d80e29149b@earthlink.net> <000601d6a524$14a56e40$3df04ac0$@com> Message-ID: <056b9393-8a23-4d8b-2471-50b95d05d638@earthlink.net> > What bothers me is that AOL/Compuserve haven't bothered to inform their > support people that this has been going on. And they haven't bothered to > send any warnings to all of their subscribers. I can't count the number of email, and telephone calls I get per month, from what appears to be 100% legit companies, that aren't, with contact info, email, telephone numbers, you name it, where the "right people", answer with the "right words", that not only aren't in the county, they have nothing to do with the company they claim, and even change several times a month. Most recently was "Amazon", at the rate of 100+ calls per day, all from different numbers, none legit, none amazon, for about three weeks straight, then they stopped. I figure a newbie in the scam game, or a defect in their dialer. Rather than dial 10,000 people from one fake number, they dialed my one number, from ten thousand fake originating lines. Either way, they got no-where, their scam failed, and my answering machine got some exercise. The number you called, may have nothing to do with anything. For example, I could post my number to the forum, and answer with your name. Who, except people that know you, and your number, would know it's me, and not you? Along that line, I've had conversations, online, with "friends", while they are here with me watching, or with another friends having breakfast, telling me they are in front of them, and asking who exactly I'm talking with. It's pretty crazy, and gets worse by orders of magnitude, almost daily. If you don't mind, send me the number(s), I'll check it out, if legit, great, if not, I'll have fun. I have much of the same types of equipment they do, and can play the same games, at their expense. I've shut down both the "IRS", and "Microsoft" callcenters in the past, both in roughly 1.5 minutes. They crash, I get my jollies, and thousands of people aren't scammed. Win-win. Kurt From nn6o.lists at pacbell.net Mon Oct 19 05:19:12 2020 From: nn6o.lists at pacbell.net (NN6O) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 02:19:12 -0700 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM References: <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$.ref@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$@pacbell.net> Hi everyone, It's been a while since I checked in and just happened to see this message after browsing through 1600 messages posted on other HAM lists I'm subscribed to that I haven't checked since July. You may have received (or heard about) this notification from Yahoo!. Much like many other e-mail providers, they've switched to a more secure authorization and handling system that requires an updated e-mail client. I don't use the Yahoo app and have multiple devices connecting via IMAP (such as my cell phone, tablets, Microsoft Outlook, etc) and I've had to do the delete/re-add the account thing multiple times...more so because I have multiple e-mail accounts with Yahoo (actually, with my ISP, AT&T - but they contract out the e-mail to Yahoo). I thought I had everything covered, but in the past 2 weeks, I received notices that two of my Yahoo e-mail accounts were still being accessed by a non-compliant app and to switch to a compliant app by Oct 20, 2020. I have a feeling the non-compliant app is the native Samsung e-mail app on one of my tablets, but I can't figure out which. I guess I'll find out tomorrow (or a bit later) when I notice that some device isn't picking up e-mails from the two Yahoo accounts in question. TL;DR So, to answer your question, if you have any Yahoo e-mail accounts, Oct 20, 2020 is the day that older, non-compliant e-mail apps will no longer work with the Yahoo e-mail system unless you... 1) Use the Yahoo app, 2) Use a newer, compliant e-mail app, or 3) configure a one-use password specifically for that device via the Yahoo e-mail security page for generating said one-use password. The e-mail I got from Yahoo referenced this webpage for help: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/SLN15241.html And, for more info about the "OAuth" authentication, here's the Wikipedia article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth 73 and hope everyone is doing well! - Aaron Hsu, NN6O -----Original Message----- From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Robert Downs via Ham-Computers Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:12 AM To: 'Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or experimenting' Subject: [Ham-Computers] (no subject) My main email address is still WA5CAB at cs.com. .Has anyone else heard about a supposedly pending change on AOL.com or CS.com because Oathe bought them or something similar to that. The change will supposedly lock out anyone not using their Cloud email service but still using a 3rd party mail manager to periodically log into their server and download all new mail?? Unless you delete your log-in and re-establish it. This certainly seems like something that they would do to cause trouble but all message supposedly from them have been addressed to "Member" or other generic salutations. The drop-dead date is supposedly the 20th. I have called their support number two or three times but I don't have a lot of faith in them not even knowing that this is going on. And their English isn't much better than my Arabic, Indian or Farsi. Robert Downs WA5CAB ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Gary Harmon, K5JWK ** For Assistance: gharmon at idworld.net ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kd7jyk at earthlink.net Mon Oct 19 14:57:02 2020 From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$.ref@pacbell.net> <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$@pacbell.net> Message-ID: "You may have received (or heard about) this notification from Yahoo!. Much like many other e-mail providers, they've switched to a more secure authorization and handling system that requires an updated e-mail client." 7 email accounts, ~135 groups, a dozen which I run, and been on Yahoo Groups since it was created.? I've seen, heard, nothing, and the details parallel numerous scams going back several years.? Additionally, Yahoo will be permanently shutting down groups in a? few weeks, unlikely they suddenly require special apps, or every other providers on the planet to immediately re-write new, compliant email clients for access. The most likely scenario is, since Yahell is shutting down, and one of the more hackable service providers will disappear, some dirtbag just wants people to seek out an app that will give people direct access to their information, and bypass Yahoo. Interestingly, the message you received has a valid, yet generically useless link about Yahoo access in general, AND, the OAuth reference, although similar to what was mentioned earlier, is not the same as Oath referenced in several scams, which is associated with AOL. I highly suggest, and, if I could, insist, that everyone associated with Yahoo Groups at this time, forget about it, do nothing, it will evaporate, and start search groups.io for forum replacements.? Do nothing, change nothing, download nothing, as there are currently more, and more scams going around about something that will soon be disabled with the flip of a switch.? As it is perceived that people will be more desperate, the scams will increase.? Myself, having been with Yahoo Groups for 20 years, have seen the evolution of its failure since day one, and despite losing more, and more, and shortly, everything, can't even bother to care, going back to "Neo", when functionality ceased. It's dead, Jim... For the past couple of years, Yahoo groups have mostly migrated here: https://groups.io/ Some groups have moved elsewhere, other than to groups.io, ask around before whatever contacts one has on the festering remains of Yahoo Groups disappears. Here's some good info: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yahoo-groups-to-fully-shut-down-on-december-15-2020/384313/ Ironic that groups is shutting down, since yahoo "made it better", which is what killed it.? One would think they would just click the "UNF--K" button, and re-acquire the global market, but there is no forethought in modern marketing strategies... Kurt From jeffv at op.net Mon Oct 19 15:17:38 2020 From: jeffv at op.net (jeff) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:17:38 -0400 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$.ref@pacbell.net> <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <72256d59-1f5c-466b-db47-6f670f955150@op.net> On 10/19/20 2:57 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote: > For the past couple of years, Yahoo groups have mostly migrated here: > > https://groups.io/ $$ From danki6x at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 19 21:19:40 2020 From: danki6x at socal.rr.com (Dan Violette) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Ham-Computers] Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM In-Reply-To: <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$@pacbell.net> References: <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$.ref@pacbell.net> <000e01d6a5f8$e8e34810$baa9d830$@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <026601d6a67f$16139d90$423ad8b0$@socal.rr.com> Older neighbor has been getting daily notices on iOS phone about AOL email needing higher security by 10/20. I helped her get past it and I thought it was just a certificate needed to be accepted. Came up again so I read it closer and went to the FAQ. One fix was to delete the AOL account of the phone and reinstall the account. We will see if that holds. Only people I have not talked out of AOL in the last 20 years have been those over 70 years old. Dan -----Original Message----- From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of NN6O Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 2:19 AM To: 'Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or experimenting' Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] Supposed Pending Change to Email Handling At AOL.COM & CS.COM Hi everyone, It's been a while since I checked in and just happened to see this message after browsing through 1600 messages posted on other HAM lists I'm subscribed to that I haven't checked since July. You may have received (or heard about) this notification from Yahoo!. Much like many other e-mail providers, they've switched to a more secure authorization and handling system that requires an updated e-mail client. I don't use the Yahoo app and have multiple devices connecting via IMAP (such as my cell phone, tablets, Microsoft Outlook, etc) and I've had to do the delete/re-add the account thing multiple times...more so because I have multiple e-mail accounts with Yahoo (actually, with my ISP, AT&T - but they contract out the e-mail to Yahoo). I thought I had everything covered, but in the past 2 weeks, I received notices that two of my Yahoo e-mail accounts were still being accessed by a non-compliant app and to switch to a compliant app by Oct 20, 2020. I have a feeling the non-compliant app is the native Samsung e-mail app on one of my tablets, but I can't figure out which. I guess I'll find out tomorrow (or a bit later) when I notice that some device isn't picking up e-mails from the two Yahoo accounts in question. TL;DR So, to answer your question, if you have any Yahoo e-mail accounts, Oct 20, 2020 is the day that older, non-compliant e-mail apps will no longer work with the Yahoo e-mail system unless you... 1) Use the Yahoo app, 2) Use a newer, compliant e-mail app, or 3) configure a one-use password specifically for that device via the Yahoo e-mail security page for generating said one-use password. The e-mail I got from Yahoo referenced this webpage for help: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/SLN15241.html And, for more info about the "OAuth" authentication, here's the Wikipedia article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth 73 and hope everyone is doing well! - Aaron Hsu, NN6O -----Original Message----- From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Robert Downs via Ham-Computers Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:12 AM To: 'Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or experimenting' Subject: [Ham-Computers] (no subject) My main email address is still WA5CAB at cs.com. .Has anyone else heard about a supposedly pending change on AOL.com or CS.com because Oathe bought them or something similar to that. The change will supposedly lock out anyone not using their Cloud email service but still using a 3rd party mail manager to periodically log into their server and download all new mail?? Unless you delete your log-in and re-establish it. This certainly seems like something that they would do to cause trouble but all message supposedly from them have been addressed to "Member" or other generic salutations. The drop-dead date is supposedly the 20th. I have called their support number two or three times but I don't have a lot of faith in them not even knowing that this is going on. And their English isn't much better than my Arabic, Indian or Farsi. Robert Downs WA5CAB ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Gary Harmon, K5JWK ** For Assistance: gharmon at idworld.net ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Gary Harmon, K5JWK ** For Assistance: gharmon at idworld.net ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html