From wa5cab at cs.com  Mon May  6 15:55:57 2019
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 14:55:57 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Outlook 2007 Setting that I Can't Find
Message-ID: <004d01d50445$b91f04d0$2b5d0e70$@com>

My copies of Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 all seem to have a default setting
such that 1/4?, 1/2?, :-) and several others automatically get sent as ??,
??. J and etc.  All of the reflectors and probably many of the mail managers
people are using don?t know what to make of these and in the case of
reflectors at least, my reflected copies of the messages come in with other
meaningless characters showing, so I have learned to always trick the
computer into not sending them.  But the tricks are somewhat time consuming.
Several times I have tried to find where to turn this ?feature? off, but
without success.  Does anyone know where the setting is hidden?

 

Robert Downs

 


From danki6x at socal.rr.com  Mon May  6 21:13:40 2019
From: danki6x at socal.rr.com (Dan Violette)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 18:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Outlook 2007 Setting that I Can't Find
In-Reply-To: <004d01d50445$b91f04d0$2b5d0e70$@com>
References: <004d01d50445$b91f04d0$2b5d0e70$@com>
Message-ID: <022d01d50472$1ce32a10$56a97e30$@socal.rr.com>

FILE - OPTIONS - MAIL - Spelling and Autocorrect

It is part of autocorrect.  In the "autoformat as you type" section a
checkbox for fractions.

Dan KI6X

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Subject: [Ham-Computers] Outlook 2007 Setting that I Can't Find

My copies of Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 all seem to have a default setting
such that 1/4?, 1/2?, :-) and several others automatically get sent as ??,
??. J and etc.  All of the reflectors and probably many of the mail managers
people are using don?t know what to make of these and in the case of
reflectors at least, my reflected copies of the messages come in with other
meaningless characters showing, so I have learned to always trick the
computer into not sending them.  But the tricks are somewhat time consuming.
Several times I have tried to find where to turn this ?feature? off, but
without success.  Does anyone know where the setting is hidden?

 

Robert Downs

 

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From erastber at tampabay.rr.com  Fri May 24 11:00:21 2019
From: erastber at tampabay.rr.com (Gene)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 11:00:21 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
Message-ID: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>

Again,  the password monster has reared his ugly head!
 
It seems as though you must have a password to go poop. . . .
 
The question is,  is there a PW program  ("vault",  etc.)  that works well?
If a hacker can get into your machine and steal banking info etc.  what
would keep the same  hacker from getting into the PW program?
 
What,  if any,  pgms have you guys used and what do you think of them?
 
Thanks
 
73
 
Gene,  W?QFC
since 1953

From rdm at rdm.io  Fri May 24 11:11:10 2019
From: rdm at rdm.io (R.D. Montgomery)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:11:10 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
Message-ID: <CAJu0U2KwAtYFyNJsdRzYoBbn0sOS1RQ3zixE7=M5psRm485iwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good Afternoon Gary,

I use LastPass and have for many many years.

To answer your question, if you use the same password for your machine that
you do your password safe, yes, the hacker will have access to the
passwords in the safe.  As you search for a password safe option for
yourself, there are things you can look for.  For example, some added
security feature LastPass has is Multi-factor authentication to open the
vault.  They have other features in their paid service (which I have
subscribed to for many years as well) such as "emergency access".  I have
the ability to give friends access to my safe, after x-number of days (it's
more in-depth than that, but we'll just leave it simple).  They have
iPhone, Android, Chrome, Firefix and a ton more apps.

I would obviously not recommend using the same 'master password' for
everything.  There are a million different stratagies you can use, one that
I employ is adding the service into the password.  For example:  *ba*<my
complicated base password>*nk* for a banking password.  Or *vault*<base
password>.  Then even if my base password was compromised, they would have
to know the additional "service" and how I've broken it up in/around my
base password.  But, for the most part, each service I use has a unique
password generated by LastPass and stored in the vault.

Hope this answers your question, if you have any additional (regarding
Lastpass) feel free to contact me offlist.

-Ronnie
W?rdm

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:00 AM Gene <erastber at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> Again,  the password monster has reared his ugly head!
>
> It seems as though you must have a password to go poop. . . .
>
> The question is,  is there a PW program  ("vault",  etc.)  that works well?
> If a hacker can get into your machine and steal banking info etc.  what
> would keep the same  hacker from getting into the PW program?
>
> What,  if any,  pgms have you guys used and what do you think of them?
>
> Thanks
>
> 73
>
> Gene,  W?QFC
> since 1953
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From jeffv at op.net  Fri May 24 11:19:26 2019
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 11:19:26 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
Message-ID: <7ba00fb0-b484-68a3-b407-05932147df82@op.net>

Keepass works on all platforms, incl phones.
Doesn't use the cloud.


On 5/24/19 11:00 AM, Gene wrote:
> Again,  the password monster has reared his ugly head!
>   
> It seems as though you must have a password to go poop. . . .
>   
> The question is,  is there a PW program  ("vault",  etc.)  that works well?
> If a hacker can get into your machine and steal banking info etc.  what
> would keep the same  hacker from getting into the PW program?
>   
> What,  if any,  pgms have you guys used and what do you think of them?
>   
> Thanks
>   
> 73
>   
> Gene,  W?QFC
> since 1953
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Fri May 24 12:44:36 2019
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
Message-ID: <5CE81F74.1020003@earthlink.net>

"What, if any, pgms have you guys used and what do you think of them?"

None, and here's why...

Everyone says you need a password, and it must contain certain 
characters, or have a certain format to be secure.

Since 1987, I say HORSES--T!

And, here's why...

I have used the same password for almost everything since 1987.  I never 
write it down, and because it's the same, never need to, since I've 
never forgotten it.

How secure is it?  Perfectly flawless.

You see, nobody knows what it is, or what it goes to, so nobody can ever 
guess what to do with it in any one of the trillions of potential 
applications it may be used.

To a computer, a password is just a bunch of 1'a, and 0's, so making it 
complex means absolutely nothing beyond a few moments of processing 
time.  To a human, it could be any combination of anything ever known 
for all of mankind.  Chances are, and the past 32 years have proven it, 
they will never figure it out, ESPECIALLY if it's simple, since that's 
"not secure", and therefore never looked for.

Aside from that.  Just write them down.

But, OH NO!  That's not secure!  Baloney.  It's as secure, if not more 
so, than anything else.  Use one or two passwords at most, write them 
down if you need to but, DON'T write down what they go to.  If anyone 
can get to your sheet of paper, they can probably get to everything else 
you have of value as well, so it would hardly matter, except they STILL 
wouldn't know what the passwords mean, so in fact, more secure written 
down, than most anything else you have, that can just be accessed, and 
taken outright.

This doesn't mean I haven't used some sort of password program or 
organizer.  I did, around late 1990.  It was more trouble than it was 
worth, and made a simple task complex, involved, and reliant on 
something else I had to worry about, and keep track of.

Kurt





From jeffv at op.net  Fri May 24 12:47:49 2019
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:47:49 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <5CE81F74.1020003@earthlink.net>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
	<5CE81F74.1020003@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <72d22970-eb3d-160d-3782-35ad7a18debe@op.net>

Your scheme could explode the moment a site gets hacked or someone 
figures it out.

Good luck regardless.

On 5/24/19 12:44 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
> "What, if any, pgms have you guys used and what do you think of them?"
> 
> None, and here's why...
> 
> Everyone says you need a password, and it must contain certain 
> characters, or have a certain format to be secure.
> 
> Since 1987, I say HORSES--T!
> 
> And, here's why...
> 
> I have used the same password for almost everything since 1987.? I never 
> write it down, and because it's the same, never need to, since I've 
> never forgotten it.
> 
> How secure is it?? Perfectly flawless.
> 
> You see, nobody knows what it is, or what it goes to, so nobody can ever 
> guess what to do with it in any one of the trillions of potential 
> applications it may be used.
> 
> To a computer, a password is just a bunch of 1'a, and 0's, so making it 
> complex means absolutely nothing beyond a few moments of processing 
> time.? To a human, it could be any combination of anything ever known 
> for all of mankind.? Chances are, and the past 32 years have proven it, 
> they will never figure it out, ESPECIALLY if it's simple, since that's 
> "not secure", and therefore never looked for.
> 
> Aside from that.? Just write them down.
> 
> But, OH NO!? That's not secure!? Baloney.? It's as secure, if not more 
> so, than anything else.? Use one or two passwords at most, write them 
> down if you need to but, DON'T write down what they go to.? If anyone 
> can get to your sheet of paper, they can probably get to everything else 
> you have of value as well, so it would hardly matter, except they STILL 
> wouldn't know what the passwords mean, so in fact, more secure written 
> down, than most anything else you have, that can just be accessed, and 
> taken outright.
> 
> This doesn't mean I haven't used some sort of password program or 
> organizer.? I did, around late 1990.? It was more trouble than it was 
> worth, and made a simple task complex, involved, and reliant on 
> something else I had to worry about, and keep track of.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> 
> 
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Fri May 24 13:16:07 2019
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <72d22970-eb3d-160d-3782-35ad7a18debe@op.net>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
	<5CE81F74.1020003@earthlink.net>
	<72d22970-eb3d-160d-3782-35ad7a18debe@op.net>
Message-ID: <5CE826D7.7070701@earthlink.net>

"Your scheme could explode the moment a site gets hacked..."

Then, they'd have the password for that ONE site.  If the site got 
hacked, the password itself would be moot, simple, or complex... They 
wouldn't know what else it applies to anyway, so, big whoop.

"or someone figures it out."

32 years, and counting...  Perhaps someone did once, and I never heard 
about it, and it was never an issue.  Also refer again to: "They 
wouldn't know what else it applies to anyway, so, big whoop."

I didn't pull this notion out of my butt, I came up with it after years 
of "hacking" (since 1979, and NOT to be confused with theft, or 
vandalism.  If you put gas in your car without referring to the factory 
manual, you "hacked" it, yet somehow that's not the same thing, 'cuz 
it's not scary sounding).

"Hackers" look for certain things.  My "scheme" isn't part of how they, 
or the system works, which is why it has thwarted the system, in its 
entirety, since day-one.

So far my biggest, and most flawless "hack" to date!

Kurt

From danki6x at socal.rr.com  Fri May 24 21:44:05 2019
From: danki6x at socal.rr.com (Dan Violette)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 18:44:05 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
Message-ID: <01e901d5129b$58132c20$08398460$@socal.rr.com>

I am liking LastPass.  Only one I found that matches the ease of using my
WORD document (printed but with mnemonics for me for my PWs and maybe
usernames).  Slight learning as all would need.  But now that I am used to
it as fast (or faster on my browser) than getting my note paper.

Uses PW to get into (can make it a tough/long phrase).  Only one you need to
know.  Creates random passwords to your specs (length and whether needs
caps, numbers special characters).

Access via browser plug-in (easiest and can even launch your site and log in
in one click), LastPass web site, iOS (iPad/phone - if fingerprint or face
ID can set to log in with that), expect Android too.  Can copy password and
paste or browser/iOS can autofill.

Can keep credit card info, addresses for autofill and keep Secure Notes for
the miscellaneous stuff you need to look up once in a while.

Dan KI6X

-----Original Message-----
From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 8:00 AM
To: 'Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or
experimenting' <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords

Again,  the password monster has reared his ugly head!
 
It seems as though you must have a password to go poop. . . .
 
The question is,  is there a PW program  ("vault",  etc.)  that works well?
If a hacker can get into your machine and steal banking info etc.  what
would keep the same  hacker from getting into the PW program?
 
What,  if any,  pgms have you guys used and what do you think of them?
 
Thanks
 
73
 
Gene,  W?QFC
since 1953
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From danki6x at socal.rr.com  Fri May 24 21:50:43 2019
From: danki6x at socal.rr.com (Dan Violette)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 18:50:43 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <5CE826D7.7070701@earthlink.net>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>	<5CE81F74.1020003@earthlink.net>	<72d22970-eb3d-160d-3782-35ad7a18debe@op.net>
	<5CE826D7.7070701@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <01f501d5129c$4559aa40$d00cfec0$@socal.rr.com>

I did get emailed one of my usernames and passwords asking for money to not
spread it around.  It was an older one that I was only using on 3-4 benign
sites (QRZ, LinkedIn, and a couple others).  If I had used that everywhere I
am sure they could have tried Facebook, Chase Bank, BofA, etc. and
eventually got a hit.  I somewhat agree with you (did that too until about
10 years ago)  but too risky nowadays.

Dan KI6X

-----Original Message-----
From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of KD7JYK DM09
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or
experimenting <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] Passwords

"Your scheme could explode the moment a site gets hacked..."

Then, they'd have the password for that ONE site.  If the site got hacked,
the password itself would be moot, simple, or complex... They wouldn't know
what else it applies to anyway, so, big whoop.

"or someone figures it out."

32 years, and counting...  Perhaps someone did once, and I never heard about
it, and it was never an issue.  Also refer again to: "They wouldn't know
what else it applies to anyway, so, big whoop."

I didn't pull this notion out of my butt, I came up with it after years of
"hacking" (since 1979, and NOT to be confused with theft, or vandalism.  If
you put gas in your car without referring to the factory manual, you
"hacked" it, yet somehow that's not the same thing, 'cuz it's not scary
sounding).

"Hackers" look for certain things.  My "scheme" isn't part of how they, or
the system works, which is why it has thwarted the system, in its entirety,
since day-one.

So far my biggest, and most flawless "hack" to date!

Kurt
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Fri May 24 23:52:59 2019
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 20:52:59 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <01f501d5129c$4559aa40$d00cfec0$@socal.rr.com>
References: <1C943030599C4A7D89D1386756A16E37@PROBOOKHP>
	<5CE81F74.1020003@earthlink.net>
	<72d22970-eb3d-160d-3782-35ad7a18debe@op.net>
	<5CE826D7.7070701@earthlink.net>
	<01f501d5129c$4559aa40$d00cfec0$@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5CE8BC1B.6050402@earthlink.net>

"I did get emailed one of my usernames and passwords asking for money to 
not spread it around."

Change it, then reply to them, and tell them to knock themselves out, 
offer to pay them anyway, see if you can get a lead on some US based 
extortionists, then turn them in for coercion, intimidation, 
racketeering, et cetera, have fun at their expense and a password that 
changed before they even knew it happened...  Some people get to have 
all the fun!

Here's a fun test for everyone!  A username, and password (not mine, but 
I know who/what the use is), minimum six characters, at least one 
capital letter, at least one number, and a "special" character, aka, 
"secure", and "hard to guess".  We'll skip the almost-impossible-at-best 
guess part, and just post the username/password outright, and in the clear.

Username:  BJWatkins  Password:  Abc_123

Spread it around, let us know how it works out!

Kurt