From wa5cab at cs.com  Wed Jan 10 14:55:06 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (wa5cab at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:55:06 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
Message-ID: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>

Group,

This morning when I started the local email manager that I use with my CS.com address, I got a pop-up message telling me that the program had expired.  And it would not log into cs.com.  I've known that this was coming but had been assuming that I would get a little warning with advance notice of when they were going to shut down my local eamail.  So, being a world-class procrastinator, I was ready for it.

What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs under XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, but that isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I use Firefox.  I think that they once had an email manager called Thunderbird but I don't know whether the XP version of it can still be downloaded.  

Robert D.

From jeffv at op.net  Wed Jan 10 15:45:04 2018
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:45:04 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <c0633095-bbca-862d-bf01-7da680319141@op.net>

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-latest-version-thunderbird-windows-xp-vista

Some versions of Outlook will allow you to add more than one account.

On 01/10/2018 02:55 PM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:
> What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs under XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, but that isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I use Firefox.  I think that they once had an email manager called Thunderbird but I don't know whether the XP version of it can still be downloaded.


From wf2u at ws19ops.com  Wed Jan 10 21:01:37 2018
From: wf2u at ws19ops.com (WF2U)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:01:37 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <b8077964-9307-4de4-8580-9fa5d62a9d4b@ws19ops.com>

Robert,

I'm using Outlook 2003 (part of MS Office Professional Edition 2003 with Win XP Professional. 
I have 4 different email addresses on 3 different domains and 3 different hosting companies. Outlook has the option? be set up for different accounts/domains (I haven't checked what the maximum number of different accounts it'll accomodate. I set up folders for each account for easier organization, and simply set up rules which mail goes to which folder when downloading.

73, Meir WF2U
Landrum, SC

?Sent from BlueMail ?

On Jan 10, 2018, 2:55 PM, at 2:55 PM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>Group,
>
>This morning when I started the local email manager that I use with my
>CS.com address, I got a pop-up message telling me that the program had
>expired.  And it would not log into cs.com.  I've known that this was
>coming but had been assuming that I would get a little warning with
>advance notice of when they were going to shut down my local eamail. 
>So, being a world-class procrastinator, I was ready for it.
>
>What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but
>I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for
>comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs under
>XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, but that
>isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I use Firefox. 
>I think that they once had an email manager called Thunderbird but I
>don't know whether the XP version of it can still be downloaded.  
>
>Robert D.
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From wf2u at ws19ops.com  Wed Jan 10 21:01:37 2018
From: wf2u at ws19ops.com (WF2U)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:01:37 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <b8077964-9307-4de4-8580-9fa5d62a9d4b@ws19ops.com>

Robert,

I'm using Outlook 2003 (part of MS Office Professional Edition 2003 with Win XP Professional. 
I have 4 different email addresses on 3 different domains and 3 different hosting companies. Outlook has the option? be set up for different accounts/domains (I haven't checked what the maximum number of different accounts it'll accomodate. I set up folders for each account for easier organization, and simply set up rules which mail goes to which folder when downloading.

73, Meir WF2U
Landrum, SC

?Sent from BlueMail ?

On Jan 10, 2018, 2:55 PM, at 2:55 PM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>Group,
>
>This morning when I started the local email manager that I use with my
>CS.com address, I got a pop-up message telling me that the program had
>expired.  And it would not log into cs.com.  I've known that this was
>coming but had been assuming that I would get a little warning with
>advance notice of when they were going to shut down my local eamail. 
>So, being a world-class procrastinator, I was ready for it.
>
>What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but
>I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for
>comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs under
>XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, but that
>isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I use Firefox. 
>I think that they once had an email manager called Thunderbird but I
>don't know whether the XP version of it can still be downloaded.  
>
>Robert D.
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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 10 22:17:24 2018
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:17:24 -0800
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <c0633095-bbca-862d-bf01-7da680319141@op.net>
References: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
	<c0633095-bbca-862d-bf01-7da680319141@op.net>
Message-ID: <5A56D744.1040506@earthlink.net>

"What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but 
I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for 
comcast.net. "

Outlook, and outlook express, which I both use, especially older 
versions, work with XP in various builds, and will let you add any 
account for any provider, just put in the details.  I have seven on this 
system, three or four on another, different providers, you just tell it 
what to connect to, each account can be different.

Kurt


From wa5cab at cs.com  Thu Jan 11 00:05:34 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (wa5cab at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:05:34 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5A56D744.1040506@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>


 

 Kurt,

I have Outlook 2007 as part of Office 2007.  I already knew that Outlook could download email from more than one email address and on more than one server.  I have (I think) six email addresses, five @comcast.net and one @cs.com.  .  Four are mostly inactive and mostly exist only because on one board/forum that I moderate I have four User ID's and that server requires unique addresses.   Email sent to three of them is rare and usually not important, anyway.  And they don't originate any email. 

 I knew that Outlook could download email from more than one server because one of the Comcast email addresses is IMAP and the other four are POP3.  And are on two different physical servers, although both groups are @comcast.net.  The sixth address, which is the busiest, is @cs.com.  

The first problem with Outlook is that if it is possible to download incoming emails to multiple Inboxes, other than that the one IMAP address (which is mostly inactive) goes to a different Inbox, I have been unable to figure out how to do that.  I do not want to mix mail to and from wa5cab at comcast.net with that to and from wa5cab at cs.com.  

The second problem is that as far as I can tell, it is hard coded to display the various folders in alphabetical order.  Whereas the Compuserve 7.0 software, which suddenly was shut down today, allows you to put the various folders in any order that you want them in without having to put place holding letters or numbers in front of the folder names.

The third problem is that I don't know how to make the system originate an email other than from the one set as the default.

The second (folder display order) problem is a definite irritation but not a show stopper.  The first one (everything gets downloaded to one Inbox) and the third one (how to originate an email from other than the default without first changing the default) definitely are.

If you know how to fix or circumvent these three problems with Outlook, please let me know.  Or if you can't explain it but know that any of them can be done, that would at least be a step in the right direction.

Robert D.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: KD7JYK DM09 <kd7jyk at earthlink.net>
To: Computers \(or\ \other)\ used for amateur \radio,\ \communications,\ or experimenting <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 10, 2018 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP

"What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but 
I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for 
comcast.net. "

Outlook, and outlook express, which I both use, especially older 
versions, work with XP in various builds, and will let you add any 
account for any provider, just put in the details.  I have seven on this 
system, three or four on another, different providers, you just tell it 
what to connect to, each account can be different.

Kurt




From wa5cab at cs.com  Thu Jan 11 01:24:26 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (wa5cab at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 01:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <c0633095-bbca-862d-bf01-7da680319141@op.net>
Message-ID: <160e3e41fff-1721-5925f@webjas-vae053.srv.aolmail.net>

My copy of Outlook 2007 is already handling five email addresses and two servers but I haven't yet figured out how to have two Inboxes and how to make the originating email address anything other than the default except by changing the default.

 

 Robert D.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff <jeffv at op.net>
To: Robert Downs via Ham-Computers <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 10, 2018 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-latest-version-thunderbird-windows-xp-vista

Some versions of Outlook will allow you to add more than one account.

On 01/10/2018 02:55 PM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:
> What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs under XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, but that isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I use Firefox.  I think that they once had an email manager called Thunderbird but I don't know whether the XP version of it can still be downloaded.

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From ka4inm at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 06:16:40 2018
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>

    Robert WA5CAB Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:  (in part)

> The first problem with Outlook is that if it is possible to download incoming emails to multiple Inboxes, other than that the one IMAP address (which is mostly inactive) goes to a different Inbox, I have been unable to figure out how to do that.  I do not want to mix mail to and from wa5cab at comcast.net with that to and from wa5cab at cs.com.

> The second problem is that as far as I can tell, it is hard coded to display the various folders in alphabetical order.  Whereas the Compuserve 7.0 software, which suddenly was shut down today, allows you to put the various folders in any order that you want them in without having to put place holding letters or numbers in front of the folder names.

> The third problem is that I don't know how to make the system originate an email other than from the one set as the default.

> The second (folder display order) problem is a definite irritation but not a show stopper.  The first one (everything gets downloaded to one Inbox) and the third one (how to originate an email from other than the default without first changing the default) definitely are.

> If you know how to fix or circumvent these three problems with Outlook, please let me know.  Or if you can't explain it but know that any of them can be done, that would at least be a step in the right direction.


   I'm not Kurt, but as an outsider (I have been 100% LINUX since June
28, 1997) I am not awake enough to keep me from commenting here.

   Either you are unable to properly control your E-mail CLIENT or it is
defective.

   You have been advised to try Thunderbird, but you have so for refused
to try it.

   The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about
not being able to do with your defective software.
This matter would be long settled if you are able to master the simple
requirements of "T-bird" and you would be happier today. (me 2)
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.

From jeffv at op.net  Thu Jan 11 07:52:21 2018
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:52:21 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e3e41fff-1721-5925f@webjas-vae053.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160e3e41fff-1721-5925f@webjas-vae053.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <8400ac67-22ce-1415-c547-ccc6578e1b84@op.net>

On 01/11/2018 01:24 AM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:
> My copy of Outlook 2007 is already handling five email addresses and two servers but I haven't yet figured out how to have two Inboxes and how to make the originating email address anything other than the default except by changing the default.

Thunderbird will do that.

From rhmoses at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 11 08:33:43 2018
From: rhmoses at earthlink.net (Robert Moses)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 06:33:43 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <160e1a3f1f1-1b26-33e5d@webjas-vab075.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <5A5767B7.3010709@earthlink.net>

Were you looking for an e-mail server or an e-mail client?

On 01/10/2018 12:55 PM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:
> Group,
>
> This morning when I started the local email manager that I use with my CS.com address, I got a pop-up message telling me that the program had expired.  And it would not log into cs.com.  I've known that this was coming but had been assuming that I would get a little warning with advance notice of when they were going to shut down my local eamail.  So, being a world-class procrastinator, I was ready for it.
>
> What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs under XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, but that isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I use Firefox.  I think that they once had an email manager called Thunderbird but I don't know whether the XP version of it can still be downloaded.  
>
> Robert D.
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From ka6uup at comcast.net  Thu Jan 11 14:12:10 2018
From: ka6uup at comcast.net (Chuck)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:12:10 -0800
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Repairing Windows XP
Message-ID: <9f949daf-4b3b-04f5-eb29-6dbc1112212b@comcast.net>

For those still running Win XP, there is a solution when problems start.
Go to Tweaking.com and download the Windows Repair Utility, among others 
available.
Their utilities are free although you can buy the pro version and get a 
few of their professional upgrades.
Boot into safe mode and follow the prompts (especially setting a restore 
point and backing up the registry)
and let it run. It will determine what version of windows you are 
running and only use those fixes that apply.
There is also a forum if you care to access it.
These guys are top experts with Windows and have written these utilities 
to repair and restore Windows whatever version.
I have been using their utilities for years and they always solved the 
problem.
I too have a couple of Windows XP computers that I use regularly, About 
two weeks ago one of them stopped booting.
I ran Windows Repair and the problem was solved.
I highly recommend them.
Chuck KA6UUP


From ad5pe at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 11 15:43:08 2018
From: ad5pe at sbcglobal.net (Jay (AD5PE))
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:43:08 -0600
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <5A56D744.1040506@earthlink.net>
	<160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <032101d38b1c$cab067a0$601136e0$@sbcglobal.net>

I believe Pop accounts will all go to the default "Inbox" folder.  IMAP
accounts will each get their own folder under the account "name" (as set up
when you add it - the email address by default).

I don't have '07 anymore, but the newer versions have a "from" button that's
actually a pull-down listing all your accounts - just click and pick the one
you want.  If '07 doesn't have that, I can't help with that part.

Jay
AD5PE

-----Original Message-----
From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Downs via
Ham-Computers
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 23:06
To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP


 

 Kurt,

I have Outlook 2007 as part of Office 2007.  I already knew that Outlook
could download email from more than one email address and on more than one
server.  I have (I think) six email addresses, five @comcast.net and one
@cs.com.  .  Four are mostly inactive and mostly exist only because on one
board/forum that I moderate I have four User ID's and that server requires
unique addresses.   Email sent to three of them is rare and usually not
important, anyway.  And they don't originate any email. 

 I knew that Outlook could download email from more than one server because
one of the Comcast email addresses is IMAP and the other four are POP3.  And
are on two different physical servers, although both groups are
@comcast.net.  The sixth address, which is the busiest, is @cs.com.  

The first problem with Outlook is that if it is possible to download
incoming emails to multiple Inboxes, other than that the one IMAP address
(which is mostly inactive) goes to a different Inbox, I have been unable to
figure out how to do that.  I do not want to mix mail to and from
wa5cab at comcast.net with that to and from wa5cab at cs.com.  

The second problem is that as far as I can tell, it is hard coded to display
the various folders in alphabetical order.  Whereas the Compuserve 7.0
software, which suddenly was shut down today, allows you to put the various
folders in any order that you want them in without having to put place
holding letters or numbers in front of the folder names.

The third problem is that I don't know how to make the system originate an
email other than from the one set as the default.

The second (folder display order) problem is a definite irritation but not a
show stopper.  The first one (everything gets downloaded to one Inbox) and
the third one (how to originate an email from other than the default without
first changing the default) definitely are.

If you know how to fix or circumvent these three problems with Outlook,
please let me know.  Or if you can't explain it but know that any of them
can be done, that would at least be a step in the right direction.

Robert D.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: KD7JYK DM09 <kd7jyk at earthlink.net>
To: Computers \(or\ \other)\ used for amateur \radio,\ \communications,\ or
experimenting <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 10, 2018 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP

"What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, but I
can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used for
comcast.net. "

Outlook, and outlook express, which I both use, especially older versions,
work with XP in various builds, and will let you add any account for any
provider, just put in the details.  I have seven on this system, three or
four on another, different providers, you just tell it what to connect to,
each account can be different.

Kurt



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From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 12 12:00:59 2018
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:00:59 -0800
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net>

"The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about 
not being able to do with your defective software. This matter would be 
long settled if you are able to master the simple requirements of 
"T-bird" and you would be happier today. (me 2) "

His client does all he wants, except the default originating address, 
which T-Bird doesn't do either (using it now, it doesn't, and it's WORSE 
than outlook in various forms over two decades, having used almost all).

It's just a setup issue.  I'll talk him through it later today.

Kurt



From wa5cab at cs.com  Sat Jan 13 13:21:57 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:21:57 -0600
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>

Thanks.  See reply to your latest message.  And I don't have time right now
to install a new OS!!!  

I had looked at Thunderbird a few years ago and basically consider it an
Outlook clone.  It had at the time exactly the same 2-pane display that I
dislike in Outlook.  And if it won't let you change the default originating
email address, that would be a show stopper, especially as I've figured out
how to do that in Outlook.

-----Original Message-----
From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KD7JYK DM09
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:01 AM
To: ka4inm at gmail.com; Computers (or other) used for amateur radio,
communications, or experimenting
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP

"The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about not
being able to do with your defective software. This matter would be long
settled if you are able to master the simple requirements of "T-bird" and
you would be happier today. (me 2) "

His client does all he wants, except the default originating address, which
T-Bird doesn't do either (using it now, it doesn't, and it's WORSE than
outlook in various forms over two decades, having used almost all).

It's just a setup issue.  I'll talk him through it later today.

Kurt


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From ka4inm at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 13:46:11 2018
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:46:11 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
Message-ID: <12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>

   Robert Downs via wrote:

> Thanks.  See reply to your latest message.  And I don't have time right now
> to install a new OS!!!

   I said nothing about changing your operating system, only that I know
nothing about the M$ O.S., more or less like everyone else and I cannot 
say anything about how M$ programs work.
  I do understand LINUX.

> I had looked at Thunderbird a few years ago and basically consider it an
> Outlook clone.  It had at the time exactly the same 2-pane display that I
> dislike in Outlook.  And if it won't let you change the default originating
> email address, that would be a show stopper, especially as I've figured out
> how to do that in Outlook.

   Netscape preceded "Outlook."  (Who is the clone?)
   Netscape has evolved into Mozilla and their products include:
  Thunderbird and firefox.  Thunderbird has *always* included three
panels and they have always been customizable to suit the user.

   When using thunderbird every (incoming) E-mail account can use it's own
SMTP address. (outgoing mail server)

> "The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about not
> being able to do with your defective software. This matter would be long
> settled if you are able to master the simple requirements of "T-bird" and
> you would be happier today. (me 2) "
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 13 22:02:58 2018
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:02:58 -0800
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>

"Thunderbird has *always* included three panels and they have always 
been customizable to suit the user."

It's just a setup issue, reasons of current layout unknown, but 
irrelevant.  Received a message about them, will go over them with him 
later.

"The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about not
being able to do with your defective software.

Since the request wasn't "How do I convert to Linux", any mention of it 
is pointless from the start.

Kurt


From jeffv at op.net  Sat Jan 13 22:11:56 2018
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:11:56 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4908b467-33d8-a766-d892-71303a37f056@op.net>



On 01/13/2018 10:02 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
> "Thunderbird has *always* included three panels and they have always 
> been customizable to suit the user."

preview panes drive me up a wall, plus they're a security issue, or used 
to be, in Outlook, as they executed whatever was attached to it.

From kd7jyk at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 13 22:35:43 2018
From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:35:43 -0800
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <4908b467-33d8-a766-d892-71303a37f056@op.net>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
	<4908b467-33d8-a766-d892-71303a37f056@op.net>
Message-ID: <5A5AD00F.8040109@earthlink.net>

"preview panes drive me up a wall, plus they're a security issue, or 
used to be, in Outlook, as they executed whatever was attached to it."

Like t-bird, user configurable.  Learned this with OE in the late 90's 
when something ran, that shouldn't have.

Outlook also has various settings to prevent various things from running.

Kurt


From jeffv at op.net  Sat Jan 13 22:47:25 2018
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:47:25 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5A5AD00F.8040109@earthlink.net>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
	<4908b467-33d8-a766-d892-71303a37f056@op.net>
	<5A5AD00F.8040109@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <541345f9-2f11-e555-3168-e9786bfe27c2@op.net>

On 01/13/2018 10:35 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:
> "preview panes drive me up a wall, plus they're a security issue, or 
> used to be, in Outlook, as they executed whatever was attached to it."
> 
> Like t-bird, user configurable.  

First thing I turn off.
Have used tbird forever. Outlook/Win only when absolutely necessary.

> Outlook also has various settings to prevent various things from running.

Now if there was something to prevent people from clicking on everything....

From ka4inm at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 22:47:32 2018
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>

On 01/13/2018 10:02 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:     (in part)

> "The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about not
> being able to do with your defective software.

> Since the request wasn't "How do I convert to Linux", any mention of it 
> is pointless from the start.

   My point was and is that I know nothing about the operation of M$
programs, I understand LINUX, but I do not and cannot know if the M$
version of Thunderbird is the same as the LINUX version.
I suspect that they are very similar, but I do not know that.

   My view of Thunderbird would solve the fellow's problems if he were
just try it.
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.

From jeffv at op.net  Sat Jan 13 22:52:00 2018
From: jeffv at op.net (jeff)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:52:00 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
	<5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>
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On 01/13/2018 10:47 PM, Ron Youvan wrote:
> programs, I understand LINUX, but I do not and cannot know if the M$
> version of Thunderbird is the same as the LINUX version.
> I suspect that they are very similar, but I do not know that.

For the record, very very similar.

From kd4ien at comcast.net  Sat Jan 13 23:54:04 2018
From: kd4ien at comcast.net (Ken)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] question about monitoring band conditions
Message-ID: <mailman.51.1515905655.3362.ham-computers@mailman.qth.net>


ive goten a old computer back up and running XP, I'd like to set it 
up to monitor band conditions, either software download or a website 
to stay logged into..

any suggestions?

Thanks
73 from KD4IEN


From wa5cab at cs.com  Sun Jan 14 04:27:54 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 03:27:54 -0600
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net>
	<009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
	<5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019c01d38d19$f55c92e0$e015b8a0$@com>

FWIW, with a lot of digging on my part and the help of several people on
this list who wanted to help instead of to proselytize, I have either
discovered how to do just about everything that I have asked about or in one
case reconfirmed that neither Microsoft nor Linux have ever been nor will
ever be capable of doing it.  AFAIK, the capability of doing it vanished
from the planet this past Tuesday morning sometime between the hours of
03:15 and 10:30.

If you haven't a clue to the answer to someone's question, unless you want
to add your name to the list as also needing the same answer, please do not
reply and waste everyone's time. 

Robert Downs - Houston
WA5CAB


-----Original Message-----
From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Youvan
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 21:48 PM
To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP

On 01/13/2018 10:02 PM, KD7JYK DM09 wrote:     (in part)

> "The LINUX version routinely does *everything* that you complain about 
> not being able to do with your defective software.

> Since the request wasn't "How do I convert to Linux", any mention of 
> it is pointless from the start.

   My point was and is that I know nothing about the operation of M$
programs, I understand LINUX, but I do not and cannot know if the M$ version
of Thunderbird is the same as the LINUX version.
I suspect that they are very similar, but I do not know that.

   My view of Thunderbird would solve the fellow's problems if he were just
try it.
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM 
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From ka4inm at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 09:29:48 2018
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] question about monitoring band conditions
In-Reply-To: <20180114045416.52CCB149AC01@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180114045416.52CCB149AC01@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <59439bcf-6f8e-9334-d1ac-46e341c15b52@gmail.com>

   On 01/13/2018 11:54 PM, Ken KD4IEN wrote:

> Ive gotten a old computer back up and running XP, I'd like to set it up 
> to monitor band conditions, either software download or a website to 
> stay logged into..

> any suggestions?

   I don't have any URLs at my fingertips, but I have been at many
web-sites that show current of very recent band condx OR DX contacts
(which is the same thing) and there are one or more web-sites that show
(in a 3D presentation) multiple hop paths across the globe.

   I found many by googling various combinations of logical word
combinations.
   Other links were found at HAM clubs websites.

   There are high frequency HF beacons and government HF time standard
transmitters world wide (with 2-5 or even 10 kW transmitters) that serve
as beacons that confirm a circuit to various areas.

   Like WWV and CHU.
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.

From ka4inm at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 09:53:46 2018
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:53:46 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <019c01d38d19$f55c92e0$e015b8a0$@com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
	<5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>
	<019c01d38d19$f55c92e0$e015b8a0$@com>
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On 01/14/2018 04:27 AM, Robert Downs wrote:   (in part)

> FWIW, with a lot of digging on my part and the help of several people on
> this list who wanted to help instead of to proselytize, I have either
> discovered how to do just about everything that I have asked about or in one
> case reconfirmed that neither Microsoft nor Linux have ever been nor will
> ever be capable of doing it.  AFAIK, the capability of doing it vanished
> from the planet this past Tuesday morning sometime between the hours of
> 03:15 and 10:30.

   It is easy to ask everyone how to make something possible that is not,
but the original question/s was about several incapabilities that one
E-mail CLIENT would not do.* I did not see any that the client that I 
use (along with seamonkey) routinely do.  He refused to try T-bird.
   There is no normal capability that is not possible for M$ or LINUX or 
MAC, the limitations are almost all with the application.

  * at least one radio friend stated that this chaps E-mail CLIENT in 
fact can do those things that he had not figured out how to accomplish 
and he would show him how to do it, but that plan didn't seem to work 
out either.  (so far)
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.

From ka4inm at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 11:46:02 2018
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:46:02 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <019c01d38d19$f55c92e0$e015b8a0$@com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>
	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>
	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net> <009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>
	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>
	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>
	<5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>
	<019c01d38d19$f55c92e0$e015b8a0$@com>
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On 01/14/2018 04:27 AM, Robert Downs wrote:   (in part)

> FWIW, with a lot of digging on my part and the help of several people on
> this list who wanted to help instead of to proselytize, I have either
> discovered how to do just about everything that I have asked about or in one
> case reconfirmed that neither Microsoft nor Linux have ever been nor will
> ever be capable of doing it.  AFAIK, the capability of doing it vanished
> from the planet this past Tuesday morning sometime between the hours of
> 03:15 and 10:30.

   It is easy to ask everyone how to make something possible that is not,
but the original question/s was about several incapabilities that one 
E-mail CLIENT would not do.* I did not see any that the client that I
use (along with seamonkey) routinely do.  He refused to try T-bird.
   There is no normal capability that is not possible for M$ or LINUX or
MAC, the limitations are almost all with the application.

  * at least one radio friend stated that this chaps E-mail CLIENT in
fact can do those things that he had not figured out how to accomplish
and he would show him how to do it, but that plan didn't seem to work
out either.  (so far)
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.


From wa5cab at cs.com  Sun Jan 14 19:55:49 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:55:49 -0600
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <999c3095-56b2-d76f-1b10-fabec86f79c1@gmail.com>
References: <160e39bea67-1721-13d3a@webjas-vaa117.srv.aolmail.net>	<34477e61-a722-23e2-a794-bbf7d21add5b@gmail.com>	<5A58E9CB.6030702@earthlink.net>
	<009801d38c9b$66096e70$321c4b50$@com>	<12069c38-e65c-19d3-661b-2aa5b88c94b0@gmail.com>	<5A5AC862.3040801@earthlink.net>	<5c7205d7-8fa6-c1dc-449a-b0844a58a8e6@gmail.com>	<019c01d38d19$f55c92e0$e015b8a0$@com>
	<999c3095-56b2-d76f-1b10-fabec86f79c1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301d38d9b$97bcdaa0$c7368fe0$@com>

I'm afraid that you are a little confused.  I didn't say at the outset that
any mail manager wouldn't do anything except that I already knew that
Outlook, being a 2/3 pane system couldn't show the directory of all of the
received and sent mail the way that what I had been using could.  And I
didn't at the beginning know how to automatically route incoming mail from
multiple email addresses into different folders for reading and sorting and
subsequent disposition.  

I did know that with Outlook I could not rename INBOX and that I couldn't
arbitrarily move folders around and have them stay where I put them because
the Mail Folders are hard-coded to be sorted only alphanumerically either
ascending or descending.  I have not found and no one else has told me how
to turn that off, either in Outlook or in Thunderbird.  So I conclude that
it can't be done.  So for that, I figured out a workaround and now all
folders appear in the order that I was already used to them being in.

I did in the beginning ask for recommendations for another mail manager than
Outlook because (a) I didn't know how to route incoming mail from my
multiple email addresses to their own individual inboxes.  And (b) I was
still hoping to find a manager that would display the contents of two or
more folders simultaneously.  Once with some help I knew how to do the first
requirement and had confirmed that none of the other known email managers
could do the second, there was no benefit to be had by running two managers
at the same time.  And as I already own Outlook 2007, have some familiarity
with it, have some part of around 20+ years worth of emails stored in it,
and know again that none of the other managers including Thunderbird are
capable of doing the one thing that Outlook also will not do, there was no
adequate benefit to be had by changing horses.  Thunderbird may be faster or
sleeker or whatever than Outlook.  But I sorta know this horse and its
quirks, and I own it.  So that is why I declined to change horses.

As far as why I'm not interested in converting to Linux, I have too much
time and money invested in software that has no even barely adequate
equivalent that will run under Linux.  And I'm too old to want to start all
over from scratch if I don't have to.

Anyway, as I said last night, the system is now up and running and I thank
all of you who helped me get it to this point.  There are still two issues
with the one IMAP account to be fixed (and which predate the recent crisis
caused by AOL).  But that account exists only because I needed another email
address just to be able to set up an additional account on a BB that I
moderate.  If it gets five emails a year, I'll be surprised.  I wouldn't
even worry about it except that someone at Comcast told me that eventually
they will be converting all POP3 accounts over to IMAP.  So I should be
ready.

Robert Downs - Houston
WA5CAB

-----Original Message-----
From: ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Youvan
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 08:54 AM
To: Robert Downs via Ham-Computers
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP

On 01/14/2018 04:27 AM, Robert Downs wrote:   (in part)

> FWIW, with a lot of digging on my part and the help of several people 
> on this list who wanted to help instead of to proselytize, I have 
> either discovered how to do just about everything that I have asked 
> about or in one case reconfirmed that neither Microsoft nor Linux have 
> ever been nor will ever be capable of doing it.  AFAIK, the capability 
> of doing it vanished from the planet this past Tuesday morning 
> sometime between the hours of
> 03:15 and 10:30.

   It is easy to ask everyone how to make something possible that is not,
but the original question/s was about several incapabilities that one E-mail
CLIENT would not do.* I did not see any that the client that I use (along
with seamonkey) routinely do.  He refused to try T-bird.
   There is no normal capability that is not possible for M$ or LINUX or
MAC, the limitations are almost all with the application.

  * at least one radio friend stated that this chaps E-mail CLIENT in fact
can do those things that he had not figured out how to accomplish and he
would show him how to do it, but that plan didn't seem to work out either.
(so far)
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
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From gharmon at idworld.net  Fri Jan 19 13:49:26 2018
From: gharmon at idworld.net (Gary H. Harmon, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:49:26 -0600
Subject: [Ham-Computers] New List Administration
Message-ID: <assp.1557a500f1.008801d39156$3b3d3b80$b1b7b280$@idworld.net>

As most of you know, Duane Fischer, W8DBF, the manager of these lists for a
number of years, passed away recently.

Duane was born in Flint, Michigan on October 22, 1946, the son of the late
Gail and Mertys (Johnson) Fischer.  He was a Ham Radio operator, active
member of the Federation for the Blind, avid coin collector, and loved
astronomy.  Duane loved magic and became a magician.  He traveled all over
Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee performing in schools to teach
children his message, "guns and drugs kill, that's no illusion!"  He was the
world's only total blind professional magician, mentalist and illusionist.
He was a Star Trek fanatic, has several trophies for show cars and also
loved music.

I contacted QSL.net to see if they needed a volunteer to help administer the
Heathkit list (which had no admin, due to Duane's passing). Scott KA9FOX
responded to my inquiry and was very thankful for the offer -- so much so,
that he asked if I'd also take over administration of the other 6 lists that
Duane had been running. I agreed.  

For those who may be interested, my background is as follows:

HAM since 1957 and hold an Extra Class license.
Retired from AF civil service (WG-8 test equipment repairer, computer
programmer, GS-14 Chief of Network Ops and Security Center) at Randolph AFB
after 40.5 years.
Co-Moderate 14 Yahoo Groups including Heathkit, and Ham-Antennas.
Collector and restorer of all makes and models of HAM gear but specializing
in Heathkit.  Maintain a large library of manuals, catalogues, and
associated documentation.  Have a large key and microphone collection.
Collect ATARI computers and associated parts and pieces.

I look forward to this new task before me.  If you have any questions or
suggestions please reply directly to me.

Best 73,

Gary H. Harmon, Jr. - K5JWK - MODERATOR
HAM Radio & ATARI Archaeologist
6003 Archwood
San Antonio, TX 78239-1504
(210) 657-1549 <home>
(210) 884-6926 <cell and text>
(210) 657-1549 <FAX with prior notification>
gharmon at idworld.net

"Retirement = Every day is a Saturday except Sunday"
http://www.grissomroadcoc.org



From kd4ien at comcast.net  Fri Jan 19 16:26:47 2018
From: kd4ien at comcast.net (Ken)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:26:47 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] question about monitoring band conditions
In-Reply-To: <59439bcf-6f8e-9334-d1ac-46e341c15b52@gmail.com>
References: <20180114045416.52CCB149AC01@mailman.qth.net>
	<59439bcf-6f8e-9334-d1ac-46e341c15b52@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.72.1516397217.3362.ham-computers@mailman.qth.net>

At 09:29 AM 1/14/2018, you wrote:
>   On 01/13/2018 11:54 PM, Ken KD4IEN wrote:
>
>>Ive gotten a old computer back up and running XP, I'd like to set 
>>it up to monitor band conditions, either software download or a 
>>website to stay logged into..
>
>>any suggestions?
>
>   I don't have any URLs at my fingertips, but I have been at many
>web-sites that show current of very recent band condx OR DX contacts

thats what im looking for, could you  send me a few to check out???








>(which is the same thing) and there are one or more web-sites that show
>(in a 3D presentation) multiple hop paths across the globe.
>
>   I found many by googling various combinations of logical word
>combinations.
>   Other links were found at HAM clubs websites.
>
>   There are high frequency HF beacons and government HF time standard
>transmitters world wide (with 2-5 or even 10 kW transmitters) that serve
>as beacons that confirm a circuit to various areas.
>
>   Like WWV and CHU.
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>                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.
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From sp600jx at cox.net  Fri Jan 19 19:48:24 2018
From: sp600jx at cox.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:48:24 -0800
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
In-Reply-To: <wjvT1w01n45oxQM01jvVqP>
References: <wjvT1w01n45oxQM01jvVqP>
Message-ID: <20180120004823.EBQT4490.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209.cox.net>

I am a little late in replying, but I have used Eudora from my winXP 
days to present using win10.  Qualcomm made it open source years ago, 
but like winXP it still works well.
There is excellent support on email forums, particularly Eudora for 
Windows in listmoms.  Some members are so knoweledgible  and are on 
so frequently that I wonder if somebody is paying them. I think it is 
much better than Thunderbird.  I never have used Outlook, so cannot 
comment on differences. If you are interested, I can supply details.  I
Jim



At 11:55 AM 1/10/2018, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:
>Group,
>
>This morning when I started the local email manager that I use with 
>my CS.com address, I got a pop-up message telling me that the 
>program had expired.  And it would not log into cs.com.  I've known 
>that this was coming but had been assuming that I would get a little 
>warning with advance notice of when they were going to shut down my 
>local eamail.  So, being a world-class procrastinator, I was ready for it.
>
>What I need is an email manager like Outlook and all of its clones, 
>but I can't use Outlook (which I have) as it is already being used 
>for comcast.net.  So I need a recomendation for one that still runs 
>under XP, and where or how to get it.  Free would be nice of course, 
>but that isn't a requirement.  I'll mention that for a browser, I 
>use Firefox.  I think that they once had an email manager called 
>Thunderbird but I don't know whether the XP version of it can still 
>be downloaded.
>
>Robert D.
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From wa5cab at cs.com  Sat Jan 20 02:13:35 2018
From: wa5cab at cs.com (Robert Downs)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:13:35 -0600
Subject: [Ham-Computers] eMail Manager for XP
Message-ID: <00e901d391be$3081e7f0$9185b7d0$@com>

Group,

FWIW, the conversion to multiple inboxes to separate mail coming in to my
two main email addresses is working OK for the most part.  I still have two
problems.  Both are only associated with the one IMAP account that I have.
That address is really only a place holder so not critical at the moment.
However, if Comcast follow through on their stated plan to make everyone
convert to IMAP, one problem would suddenly become critical.

The first problem is that instead of disappearing from the folder I read it
in and moving to a Deleted folder, deleted messages only get a line drawn
through them.  So I now have about 25 deleted messages still in the Inbox.
I could I think make them move into a deleted folder created by me.  But
wherever they are I can't permanently delete them.

The second problem is one of distraction and aggravation.  Whenever I click
on a message, the "reading pane" appears.  This doesn't happen in any of the
POP3 folders.  Any ideas on how to turn it off?

Robert Downs - Houston
WA5CAB