From hro5-2 at cox.net  Tue Mar 22 03:05:33 2016
From: hro5-2 at cox.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is
 it more Secure?
Message-ID: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>

In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.

I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
easier for them to resolve problems.

Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
home that will involved in "bad" things.

Jim, w6ivw


From ken at wa0sbu.com  Tue Mar 22 06:40:42 2016
From: ken at wa0sbu.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 05:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
Message-ID: <56F1212A.4000903@wa0sbu.com>

         What do you mean "can't access"?  Does it return an error or 
just not respond?  Are you sure that its 192.168.1.1?  Get to a command 
prompt and type " tracert yahoo " without quotes.  What is the first 
address?

Ken

On 03/22/2016 02:05 AM, Jim Hill wrote:
> In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
> password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
> CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
> Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
> might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
> Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
>
> I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
> but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
> easier for them to resolve problems.
>
> Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
> the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my home 
> that will involved in "bad" things.
>
> Jim, w6ivw
>
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From grimm at sbc.edu  Tue Mar 22 08:38:33 2016
From: grimm at sbc.edu (Kenneth Grimm)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:38:33 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <56F1212A.4000903@wa0sbu.com>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
	<56F1212A.4000903@wa0sbu.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1acjYTtW9A9pVCZvz1y8-CCEMjOp9nC6LEpQES3h_+5ENyXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 6:40 AM, Ken <ken at wa0sbu.com> wrote:

>         What do you mean "can't access"?  Does it return an error or just
> not respond?  Are you sure that its 192.168.1.1?  Get to a command prompt
> and type " tracert yahoo " without quotes.  What is the first address?
>
> Ken
>
>>
>>
?You may need to add dot com to yahoo to get tracert to work.?


?73,?
?
a different Ken?


-- 
Ken - K4XL
BoatAnchor Manual Archive
BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com

"Show me a politician who is poor, and I'll show you a poor
politician." - Carlos
Hank Gonz?lez

From ka4inm at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 09:59:12 2016
From: ka4inm at gmail.com (Ron Youvan)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:59:12 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
Message-ID: <56F14FB0.3020501@gmail.com>

      Jim W6IVW Hill wrote:

> In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and password
> to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 CG3000Dv2
> modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having Internet problems
> from time to time, and having a device they "bless" might make
> troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso Linksys EA2700
> router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.

> I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, but
> then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it easier
> for them to resolve problems.

   Different brands and models of routers use different address ranges,
look it up in the operator's manual, download if necessary.
-- 
   Ron  KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
                 Every action results in unwanted side effects.

From ken at wa0sbu.com  Tue Mar 22 11:10:33 2016
From: ken at wa0sbu.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:10:33 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <CAN1acjYTtW9A9pVCZvz1y8-CCEMjOp9nC6LEpQES3h_+5ENyXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
	<56F1212A.4000903@wa0sbu.com>
	<CAN1acjYTtW9A9pVCZvz1y8-CCEMjOp9nC6LEpQES3h_+5ENyXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56F16069.7020105@wa0sbu.com>

Yes..  LOL  thanks Kenneth..

On 03/22/2016 07:38 AM, Kenneth Grimm wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 6:40 AM, Ken <ken at wa0sbu.com> wrote:
>
>>          What do you mean "can't access"?  Does it return an error or just
>> not respond?  Are you sure that its 192.168.1.1?  Get to a command prompt
>> and type " tracert yahoo " without quotes.  What is the first address?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>>
> ?You may need to add dot com to yahoo to get tracert to work.?
>
>
> ?73,?
> ?
> a different Ken?
>
>


From lmoline at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 11:28:21 2016
From: lmoline at hotmail.com (Loren Moline WA7SKT)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:28:21 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY173-W229D0FFABE8E6E67065F59AF800@phx.gbl>

Jim,
Try 192.168.0.0
See this user manual and let me know if it worked.
http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/CG3000DV2/N450_CG3000Dv2_UM_03Apr2014.pdf

Loren Moline  WA7SKT

Member: Pacific Northwest VHF Society and ARRL
Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group.  www.uhf-satcom.com
Member: CVARS-Chehalis Valley Amateur Radio SocietyStarchat IRC: Channel = #hearsat
RF Electronics: Starchat IRC: Channel = #rfelectronics
Grid: CN86mr


> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:05:33 -0700
> To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> From: hro5-2 at cox.net
> Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is it more Secure?
> 
> In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
> password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
> CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
> Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
> might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
> Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
> 
> I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
> but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
> easier for them to resolve problems.
> 
> Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
> the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
> home that will involved in "bad" things.
> 
> Jim, w6ivw
> 
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From lmoline at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 11:31:21 2016
From: lmoline at hotmail.com (Loren Moline WA7SKT)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:31:21 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <BAY173-W229D0FFABE8E6E67065F59AF800@phx.gbl>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>,
	<BAY173-W229D0FFABE8E6E67065F59AF800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY173-W14AB10E3F1096921BE6B95AF800@phx.gbl>

Correction:  192.168.0.1

Loren Moline  WA7SKT

Member: Pacific Northwest VHF Society and ARRL
Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group.  www.uhf-satcom.com
Member: CVARS-Chehalis Valley Amateur Radio SocietyStarchat IRC: Channel = #hearsat
RF Electronics: Starchat IRC: Channel = #rfelectronics
Grid: CN86mr


> From: lmoline at hotmail.com
> To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:28:21 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is it more Secure?
> 
> Jim,
> Try 192.168.0.0
> See this user manual and let me know if it worked.
> http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/CG3000DV2/N450_CG3000Dv2_UM_03Apr2014.pdf
> 
> Loren Moline  WA7SKT
> 
> Member: Pacific Northwest VHF Society and ARRL
> Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group.  www.uhf-satcom.com
> Member: CVARS-Chehalis Valley Amateur Radio SocietyStarchat IRC: Channel = #hearsat
> RF Electronics: Starchat IRC: Channel = #rfelectronics
> Grid: CN86mr
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:05:33 -0700
> > To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> > From: hro5-2 at cox.net
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is it more Secure?
> > 
> > In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
> > password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
> > CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
> > Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
> > might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
> > Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
> > 
> > I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
> > but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
> > easier for them to resolve problems.
> > 
> > Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
> > the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
> > home that will involved in "bad" things.
> > 
> > Jim, w6ivw
> > 
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Ham-Computers mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> > 
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> > ** For Assistance: dfischer at usol.com **
> > 
> > 
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From hro5-2 at cox.net  Tue Mar 22 11:45:43 2016
From: hro5-2 at cox.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:45:43 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo30
	5.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20160322154544.CVRI7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>

After entering 192.168.1.1, using Firefox and Chrome. there is a 
delay while I assume the computer attempts to bring it up, then times 
out.  IE brings up Bing.  If I use the command prompt, a screen 
immediately appears, saying Windows cannot find ....... The Netgear 
operators manual says to use 192.168.1.1 for.....

I think Cox has locked it.  It would make life easier for their 
support staff to eliminate one potential problem.  I have used 
192.168.1.1 before on other routers with no problems.

My big question:  Is their any real security advantage to changing 
the username and password unless you are concerned about someone in 
your home doing bad things.

Jim


At 12:05 AM 3/22/2016, Jim Hill wrote:
>In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
>password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
>CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
>Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they 
>"bless" might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my 
>Ciso Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
>
>I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
>but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
>easier for them to resolve problems.
>
>Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
>the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
>home that will involved in "bad" things.
>
>Jim, w6ivw


From WA5CAB at cs.com  Tue Mar 22 12:02:50 2016
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:02:50 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
	Is it mor...
Message-ID: <a0989.7d5e7a52.4422c6aa@cs.com>

Jim,

To answer your second question first, probably not.  However, it is 
possible for someone to come in from the outside (i.e., the Internet) and access 
the router.  So changing the router password doesn't hurt, so long as you 
don't forget it.  And don't lose the instruction sheet that came with it.  There 
is probably a reset button somewhere that will set EVERYTHING back to 
factory defaults.  And, back to the first question, the instruction sheet will 
tell you what the default IP address is in that machine.  They are not all the 
same, as I think you have already found out.

I haven't read the instruction sheet but Loren apparently did so the 
default is probably 192.168.0.1  .  If that doesn't work, this being a rental and 
most likely used box, look for the reset instructions and button and do a 
hard reset.  Then try 192.168.0.1 again.

FWIW, I always use the "other" common standard, which begins 192.169.19.xxx 
 .

Robert &Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

In a message dated 03/22/2016 10:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time, 
lmoline at hotmail.com writes: 
> Correction:  192.168.0.1
> 
> Loren Moline  WA7SKT
> 
> Member: Pacific Northwest VHF Society and ARRL
> Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group.  www.uhf-satcom.com
> Member: CVARS-Chehalis Valley Amateur Radio SocietyStarchat IRC: Channel = 
> #hearsat
> RF Electronics: Starchat IRC: Channel = #rfelectronics
> Grid: CN86mr
> 
> 
> >From: lmoline at hotmail.com
> >To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:28:21 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name &Password in Router 
> Settings: Is it more Secure?
> >
> >Jim,
> >Try 192.168.0.0
> >See this user manual and let me know if it worked.
> >
> http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/CG3000DV2/N450_CG3000Dv2_UM_03Apr2014.pdf
> >
> >Loren Moline  WA7SKT
> >
> >Member: Pacific Northwest VHF Society and ARRL
> >Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group.  www.uhf-satcom.com
> >Member: CVARS-Chehalis Valley Amateur Radio SocietyStarchat IRC: Channel 
> = #hearsat
> >RF Electronics: Starchat IRC: Channel = #rfelectronics
> >Grid: CN86mr
> >
> >
> >>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:05:33 -0700
> >>To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> >>From: hro5-2 at cox.net
> >>Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name &Password in Router Settings: 
> Is it more Secure?
> >>
> >>In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
> >>password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
> >>CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
> >>Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
> >>might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
> >>Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
> >>
> >>I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
> >>but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
> >>easier for them to resolve problems.
> >>
> >>Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
> >>the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
> >>home that will involved in "bad" things.
> >>
> >>Jim, w6ivw
> >>

From ken at wa0sbu.com  Tue Mar 22 12:10:19 2016
From: ken at wa0sbu.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:10:19 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322154544.CVRI7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
	<20160322154544.CVRI7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>
Message-ID: <56F16E6B.5080802@wa0sbu.com>

192.168.1.1 is a private address.  Cox wouldn't be able to lock it. I 
screwed up before when I posted a command for you to try.  Get to a 
command prompt, type " tracert yahoo.com " without quotes.  That should 
give you your Gateway Address.  It should be the first address shown.

Ken


On 03/22/2016 10:45 AM, Jim Hill wrote:
> After entering 192.168.1.1, using Firefox and Chrome. there is a delay 
> while I assume the computer attempts to bring it up, then times out.  
> IE brings up Bing.  If I use the command prompt, a screen immediately 
> appears, saying Windows cannot find ....... The Netgear operators 
> manual says to use 192.168.1.1 for.....
>
> I think Cox has locked it.  It would make life easier for their 
> support staff to eliminate one potential problem.  I have used 
> 192.168.1.1 before on other routers with no problems.
>
> My big question:  Is their any real security advantage to changing the 
> username and password unless you are concerned about someone in your 
> home doing bad things.
>
> Jim
>
>
> At 12:05 AM 3/22/2016, Jim Hill wrote:
>> In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
>> password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
>> CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
>> Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
>> might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
>> Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
>>
>> I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
>> but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
>> easier for them to resolve problems.
>>
>> Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
>> the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
>> home that will involved in "bad" things.
>>
>> Jim, w6ivw
>
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From WA5CAB at cs.com  Tue Mar 22 12:16:07 2016
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
	Is it mor...
Message-ID: <a1112.b71954a.4422c9c6@cs.com>

tracert yahoo  does not work on my machine (running XP).  ipconfig    does. 
 The "IP Address" is the current address of your computer.  The "Default 
Gateway" should be the IP address of your router.  

You didn't say what OS you are running and I have no idea whether or not 
"ipconfig" still works with the later systems.

In a message dated 03/22/2016 05:41:02 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ken at wa0sbu.com writes: 
>          What do you mean "can't access"?  Does it return an error or 
> just not respond?  Are you sure that its 192.168.1.1?  Get to a command 
> prompt and type " tracert yahoo " without quotes.  What is the first 
> address?
> 
> Ken
> 
> On 03/22/2016 02:05 AM, Jim Hill wrote:
> >In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
> >password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
> >CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
> >Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless" 
> >might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso 
> >Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
> >
> >I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
> >but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
> >easier for them to resolve problems.
> >
> >Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
> >the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my home 
> >that will involved in "bad" things.
> >
> >Jim, w6ivw
> 

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From lmoline at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 12:28:08 2016
From: lmoline at hotmail.com (Loren Moline WA7SKT)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:28:08 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322154544.CVRI7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>,
	<20160322154544.CVRI7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY173-W3726A092E7CA02412F0DFAF800@phx.gbl>

Jim this is from the manual for the cable modem/router
To log in to the modem router:
1. Type http://192.168.0.1 in the address field of your web browser. 

Loren Moline  WA7SKT

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> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:45:43 -0700
> To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net; ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> From: hro5-2 at cox.net
> Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is it more Secure?
> 
> After entering 192.168.1.1, using Firefox and Chrome. there is a 
> delay while I assume the computer attempts to bring it up, then times 
> out.  IE brings up Bing.  If I use the command prompt, a screen 
> immediately appears, saying Windows cannot find ....... The Netgear 
> operators manual says to use 192.168.1.1 for.....
> 
> I think Cox has locked it.  It would make life easier for their 
> support staff to eliminate one potential problem.  I have used 
> 192.168.1.1 before on other routers with no problems.
> 
> My big question:  Is their any real security advantage to changing 
> the username and password unless you are concerned about someone in 
> your home doing bad things.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> At 12:05 AM 3/22/2016, Jim Hill wrote:
> >In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and 
> >password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 
> >CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having 
> >Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they 
> >"bless" might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my 
> >Ciso Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
> >
> >I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, 
> >but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it 
> >easier for them to resolve problems.
> >
> >Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for 
> >the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my 
> >home that will involved in "bad" things.
> >
> >Jim, w6ivw
> 
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From ken at wa0sbu.com  Tue Mar 22 12:37:32 2016
From: ken at wa0sbu.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it mor...
In-Reply-To: <a1112.b71954a.4422c9c6@cs.com>
References: <a1112.b71954a.4422c9c6@cs.com>
Message-ID: <56F174CC.4060700@wa0sbu.com>

Robert, yes I know, I left out the .com on yahoo.com  tracert yahoo.com 
will show your gateway or router address


On 03/22/2016 11:16 AM, Robert Downs via Ham-Computers wrote:
> tracert yahoo  does not work on my machine (running XP).  ipconfig    does.
>   The "IP Address" is the current address of your computer.  The "Default
> Gateway" should be the IP address of your router.
>
> You didn't say what OS you are running and I have no idea whether or not
> "ipconfig" still works with the later systems.
>
> In a message dated 03/22/2016 05:41:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
> ken at wa0sbu.com writes:
>>           What do you mean "can't access"?  Does it return an error or
>> just not respond?  Are you sure that its 192.168.1.1?  Get to a command
>> prompt and type " tracert yahoo " without quotes.  What is the first
>> address?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On 03/22/2016 02:05 AM, Jim Hill wrote:
>>> In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and
>>> password to increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450
>>> CG3000Dv2 modem-router from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having
>>> Internet problems from time to time, and having a device they "bless"
>>> might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I didn't like my Ciso
>>> Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy one.
>>>
>>> I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet,
>>> but then thought preventing access might be intentional to make it
>>> easier for them to resolve problems.
>>>
>>> Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for
>>> the average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my home
>>> that will involved in "bad" things.
>>>
>>> Jim, w6ivw
> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
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From WA5CAB at cs.com  Tue Mar 22 16:00:58 2016
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
	Is it mor...
Message-ID: <2203c9.1d6f9eb0.4422fe7a@cs.com>

OK.  That works.  ipconfig is quicker, though.

Robert Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

In a message dated 03/22/2016 10:12:27 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ken at wa0sbu.com writes: 
> 
> Yes..  LOL  thanks Kenneth..
> 
> On 03/22/2016 07:38 AM, Kenneth Grimm wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 6:40 AM, Ken <ken at wa0sbu.com> wrote:
> >
> >>          What do you mean "can't access"?  Does it return an error or 
> just
> >>not respond?  Are you sure that its 192.168.1.1?  Get to a command 
> prompt
> >>and type " tracert yahoo " without quotes.  What is the first address?
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>>
> >?You may need to add dot com to yahoo to get tracert to work.?
> >
> >
> >?73,?
> >?
> >a different Ken?
> >
> >

From WA5CAB at cs.com  Tue Mar 22 16:03:28 2016
From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
	Is it mor...
Message-ID: <2205d5.51efcb70.4422ff10@cs.com>

Probably not.

In a message dated 03/22/2016 10:46:31 AM Central Daylight Time, 
hro5-2 at cox.net writes: 
> My big question:  Is their any real security advantage to changing 
> the username and password unless you are concerned about someone in 
> your home doing bad things.
> 
> Jim

Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

From nn6o.lists at pacbell.net  Thu Mar 31 00:38:07 2016
From: nn6o.lists at pacbell.net (nn6o)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 21:38:07 -0700
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
	Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
Message-ID: <000601d18b07$204c0560$60e41020$@lists@pacbell.net>

Hi all,

A little late to this discussion, but I'll through in my $0.02 anyway. =)

192.168.1.xxx is the most common subnet for SOHO routers, but not all products
default to ".1".  For example, AT&T branded products (regardless of
manufacturer) uses 192.168.1.254 these days for all of their gateways (DSL &
Uverse), AFAIK.  Also, some companies use a different subnet depending on what
the device is - for example, Netgear routers are usually on 192.168.1.xxx, but
their products that are or have built-in modems usually use 192.168.0.xxx.
This makes sense as a router is often placed "behind" a stand-alone modem, so
you didn't want both to use the same subnet (lest there be routing problems).

In Jim's case, the product is a "wireless gateway" router with a built-in
cable modem by Netgear, so it sits at 192.168.0.1 (unless Cox modded the
firmware to default to something else).  If opening a browser to 192.168.0.1
doesn't work, then, as others have noted, PING, TRACERT, and/or IPCONFIG can
be used in a command line in Windows (or similar tools in Linux) to determine
where the router "sits".  There are also GUI tools built into Windows for
this, but each flavor of Windows moves that GUI around; however the command
line (CLI) tools are still there, and thus, more useful.

IPCONFIG is the most common CLI to determine the local IP address and possibly
the router address.  In most SOHO cases, the "Default Gateway" listed by
IPCONFIG is the address of the router/modem and entering this address in a
browser (IE, Firefox, Chrome, etc) will open the router's GUI admin page.
Unfortunately, in newer flavors of Windows, IPCONFIG spits out so much info
that it's hard to find exactly what you're looking for (unless you've done it
enough times).  That's where another Windows CLI tool comes in handy...

NETSH - this is the Windows CLI "power tool" for network settings.  Just about
everything related to the Windows networking stack can be configured via
NETSH.  So, to find out which network "interface" your PC is using, use the
following in a command prompt:

  netsh int ip show int

NETSH will respond with a list of all the active interfaces and their
connection state - look for the one(s) that's "connected" and make note of its
"Name" (in Windows XP thru 7, the name is usually "Local Area Connection" with
possibly a number added if more than one adapter is installed.  I believe
Windows 10 uses "Ethernet" and "Wireless".).  Then use the following to get
the IP address info:

  netsh int ip show addr "Name of interface"

replacing "Name of interface" with the actual name found one step earlier.  If
the interface name has more than one word, then you need to enclose the whole
name in quotes (").  For example, use "Local area connection" for most Windows
XP/Vista/7 systems.  NETSH will respond with the local IP address, the
gateway, and some additional info.  BTW, NETSH commands can be abbreviated as
I have done above - "int" is interface, "addr" is address (minimum of the
first 3 letters of the command).

Yes, it seems harder to run two commands than to just use IPCONFIG, but with a
computer novice, it's actually much easier as you don't need to parse through
the 50+ lines IPCONFIG returns (let alone the additional info given by
IPCONFIG /ALL) and explain how to read the info.  

Once you have the address of the gateway, PING it.  If it replies, then ping
4.2.2.1 (Level3 DNS server - always up).  If it replies, you know your
internet connection is working.  Then ping ping.symantec.com (a ping
responder).  If it replies, then your DNS configuration is working and you
should be good to go.

And, if you're unlucky enough to be running Windows 8(.1), NETSH can be used
to manage your wireless profiles.  Remember how you could add or delete WiFi
profiles in Windows XP and 7?  They removed the GUI for this in Windows 8, but
NETSH can be used to manage these profiles.

  netsh wlan show profiles
  netsh wlan show profile "profile name"
  netsh wlan delete profile "profile name"

Replace "profile name" with the actual name of the profile.  These three are
probably the most asked for to show what profiles are stored by Win8, the
basic info about the profile, and how to delete the profile.  And the last
useful NETSH command for now (as we're now waaay off-topic):

  netsh wlan show networks

This will show all the currently detected wireless networks in your area.

OK, back to the security question - as someone earlier mentioned, it's always
best to change a default password.  If someone visits and you let them on your
network, they can screw with the router settings unless the password is
changed.  Same with the wireless encryption - always enable it (WPA2/AES or
better preferred) and make it strong.  Better yet, stick a second router
behind the modem and double-NAT.  Yes, this use to be discouraged, but it's no
longer problematic and many do it to add functionality - let the modem be
"just a modem" and use a router with better capabilities (such as QoS,
better/faster WiFi, etc) do the routing.

At home, I have a UVerse modem running in "passthru" mode feeding an ASUS
wireless router.  I'm currently partial to ASUS routers that run 3rd party
firmware - TomatoUSB (by Shibby) or AsusWRT by Merlin.  AsusWRT is more
stable, but TomatoUSB has much more functionality.  For basic needs, the Asus
RT-N12 is cheap and reliable (with 3rd party firmware).  I also run Asus
RT-AC68, RT-AC56, and RT-N66 models (all with Tomato/Shibby); these are
supported by 3rd party firmware - other models may not be supported.

Anyways, (as always) I hope I've made things clear as mud!  <g>


73,

  - Aaron Hsu, NN6O


-----Original Message-----
From: Ham-Computers [mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
Of Jim Hill
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:06 AM
To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is it
more Secure?

In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and password to
increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 CG3000Dv2 modem-router
from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having Internet problems from time to time,
and having a device they "bless" might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I
didn't like my Ciso Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy
one.

I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, but then
thought preventing access might be intentional to make it easier for them to
resolve problems.

Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for the
average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my home that will
involved in "bad" things.

Jim, w6ivw

______________________________________________________________



From w4byg at att.net  Thu Mar 31 11:01:05 2016
From: w4byg at att.net (Ray, W4BYG)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings:
 Is it more Secure?
In-Reply-To: <000601d18b07$204c0560$60e41020$@lists@pacbell.net>
References: <20160322070531.MESE7752.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
	<000601d18b07$204c0560$60e41020$@lists@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <56FD3BB1.7060707@att.net>

Aaron,
I appreciate the comprehensive reply given below.  I wasn't aware of the 
"netsh" command and it's possibilities.

However I have a question regarding using WinXP.  When I enter the 
netsh...  command I get:

"Please use 'net start remoteaccess' to start the service".  When I do 
that I get: "System error 1058 has occurred.  The service cannot be 
started because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices 
associated with it.

Any clue as to where to go from there to enable the service?

Your assistance is appreciated.
Ray, W4BYG


On 3/31/2016 12:38 AM, nn6o wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A little late to this discussion, but I'll through in my $0.02 anyway. =)
>
> 192.168.1.xxx is the most common subnet for SOHO routers, but not all products
> default to ".1".  For example, AT&T branded products (regardless of
> manufacturer) uses 192.168.1.254 these days for all of their gateways (DSL &
> Uverse), AFAIK.  Also, some companies use a different subnet depending on what
> the device is - for example, Netgear routers are usually on 192.168.1.xxx, but
> their products that are or have built-in modems usually use 192.168.0.xxx.
> This makes sense as a router is often placed "behind" a stand-alone modem, so
> you didn't want both to use the same subnet (lest there be routing problems).
>
> In Jim's case, the product is a "wireless gateway" router with a built-in
> cable modem by Netgear, so it sits at 192.168.0.1 (unless Cox modded the
> firmware to default to something else).  If opening a browser to 192.168.0.1
> doesn't work, then, as others have noted, PING, TRACERT, and/or IPCONFIG can
> be used in a command line in Windows (or similar tools in Linux) to determine
> where the router "sits".  There are also GUI tools built into Windows for
> this, but each flavor of Windows moves that GUI around; however the command
> line (CLI) tools are still there, and thus, more useful.
>
> IPCONFIG is the most common CLI to determine the local IP address and possibly
> the router address.  In most SOHO cases, the "Default Gateway" listed by
> IPCONFIG is the address of the router/modem and entering this address in a
> browser (IE, Firefox, Chrome, etc) will open the router's GUI admin page.
> Unfortunately, in newer flavors of Windows, IPCONFIG spits out so much info
> that it's hard to find exactly what you're looking for (unless you've done it
> enough times).  That's where another Windows CLI tool comes in handy...
>
> NETSH - this is the Windows CLI "power tool" for network settings.  Just about
> everything related to the Windows networking stack can be configured via
> NETSH.  So, to find out which network "interface" your PC is using, use the
> following in a command prompt:
>
>    netsh int ip show int
>
> NETSH will respond with a list of all the active interfaces and their
> connection state - look for the one(s) that's "connected" and make note of its
> "Name" (in Windows XP thru 7, the name is usually "Local Area Connection" with
> possibly a number added if more than one adapter is installed.  I believe
> Windows 10 uses "Ethernet" and "Wireless".).  Then use the following to get
> the IP address info:
>
>    netsh int ip show addr "Name of interface"
>
> replacing "Name of interface" with the actual name found one step earlier.  If
> the interface name has more than one word, then you need to enclose the whole
> name in quotes (").  For example, use "Local area connection" for most Windows
> XP/Vista/7 systems.  NETSH will respond with the local IP address, the
> gateway, and some additional info.  BTW, NETSH commands can be abbreviated as
> I have done above - "int" is interface, "addr" is address (minimum of the
> first 3 letters of the command).
>
> Yes, it seems harder to run two commands than to just use IPCONFIG, but with a
> computer novice, it's actually much easier as you don't need to parse through
> the 50+ lines IPCONFIG returns (let alone the additional info given by
> IPCONFIG /ALL) and explain how to read the info.
>
> Once you have the address of the gateway, PING it.  If it replies, then ping
> 4.2.2.1 (Level3 DNS server - always up).  If it replies, you know your
> internet connection is working.  Then ping ping.symantec.com (a ping
> responder).  If it replies, then your DNS configuration is working and you
> should be good to go.
>
> And, if you're unlucky enough to be running Windows 8(.1), NETSH can be used
> to manage your wireless profiles.  Remember how you could add or delete WiFi
> profiles in Windows XP and 7?  They removed the GUI for this in Windows 8, but
> NETSH can be used to manage these profiles.
>
>    netsh wlan show profiles
>    netsh wlan show profile "profile name"
>    netsh wlan delete profile "profile name"
>
> Replace "profile name" with the actual name of the profile.  These three are
> probably the most asked for to show what profiles are stored by Win8, the
> basic info about the profile, and how to delete the profile.  And the last
> useful NETSH command for now (as we're now waaay off-topic):
>
>    netsh wlan show networks
>
> This will show all the currently detected wireless networks in your area.
>
> OK, back to the security question - as someone earlier mentioned, it's always
> best to change a default password.  If someone visits and you let them on your
> network, they can screw with the router settings unless the password is
> changed.  Same with the wireless encryption - always enable it (WPA2/AES or
> better preferred) and make it strong.  Better yet, stick a second router
> behind the modem and double-NAT.  Yes, this use to be discouraged, but it's no
> longer problematic and many do it to add functionality - let the modem be
> "just a modem" and use a router with better capabilities (such as QoS,
> better/faster WiFi, etc) do the routing.
>
> At home, I have a UVerse modem running in "passthru" mode feeding an ASUS
> wireless router.  I'm currently partial to ASUS routers that run 3rd party
> firmware - TomatoUSB (by Shibby) or AsusWRT by Merlin.  AsusWRT is more
> stable, but TomatoUSB has much more functionality.  For basic needs, the Asus
> RT-N12 is cheap and reliable (with 3rd party firmware).  I also run Asus
> RT-AC68, RT-AC56, and RT-N66 models (all with Tomato/Shibby); these are
> supported by 3rd party firmware - other models may not be supported.
>
> Anyways, (as always) I hope I've made things clear as mud!  <g>
>
>
> 73,
>
>    - Aaron Hsu, NN6O
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ham-Computers [mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
> Of Jim Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:06 AM
> To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Ham-Computers] Change User Name & Password in Router Settings: Is it
> more Secure?
>
> In the past, I entered 192.168.1.1 and changed my user name and password to
> increase security, but recently rented a Netgear N450 CG3000Dv2 modem-router
> from Cox Cable.  Cox seems to be having Internet problems from time to time,
> and having a device they "bless" might make troubleshooting easier.  Also, I
> didn't like my Ciso Linksys EA2700 router.  If I like the Netgear, I'll buy
> one.
>
> I can't access 192.168.1.1.  I have not contacted tech support yet, but then
> thought preventing access might be intentional to make it easier for them to
> resolve problems.
>
> Then I had another thought - is there any real security benefit for the
> average home user to make the changes?  There is nobody in my home that will
> involved in "bad" things.
>
> Jim, w6ivw
>
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>
>
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