From WA5CAB at cs.com Mon Dec 21 19:57:27 2015 From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 Message-ID: <4aa165.5242fc1d.43a9f9f7@cs.com> Does anyone know whether or not IE 8 can still be downloaded from the Microsoft Update site? One of our main machines here still runs XP. One program that I run on it frequently is the Stamps.Com software to print postage. The software was working OK this morning but all of a sudden quit working mid-afternoon. After an hour with their tech support this afternoon, they informed me that their software somehow uses IE to connect to their servers. And the problem was with the IE 8 installation. They tried first to tell me that I had to switch their software to a Windows 8 machine we have that is in another room. Then they said I could try reinstalling IE 8 but there was no guarantee that that would fix the problem. And have a nice day. So I'm going to try uninstalling and reinstalling IE 8 but if I recall correctly, XP shipped with either 6 or 7. So I need an installable copy of IE 8. Robert Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 From kd7jyk at earthlink.net Mon Dec 21 20:09:53 2015 From: kd7jyk at earthlink.net (KD7JYK DM09) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:09:53 -0800 Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 References: <4aa165.5242fc1d.43a9f9f7@cs.com> Message-ID: <4055F9E7688245A9A1ECD762EFC5491E@mainframe> XP came with 6. I installed 7, which sucks, bloated, poor graphics and doesn't work better on enough sites to NOT just use 6. I tried to install 8 on two XP machines, it didn't work. I can't run 9 on XP. Kurt From johngadd at comcast.net Mon Dec 21 23:19:01 2015 From: johngadd at comcast.net (john) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 04:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 In-Reply-To: <4055F9E7688245A9A1ECD762EFC5491E@mainframe> References: <4aa165.5242fc1d.43a9f9f7@cs.com> <4055F9E7688245A9A1ECD762EFC5491E@mainframe> Message-ID: <781260802.6790061.1450757941391.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Microsoft dumped Win XP over a year ago. It was full of security holes. Win 7 is still available on E bay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KD7JYK DM09" To: "Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or experimenting" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 6:09:53 PM Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 XP came with 6. I installed 7, which sucks, bloated, poor graphics and doesn't work better on enough sites to NOT just use 6. I tried to install 8 on two XP machines, it didn't work. I can't run 9 on XP. Kurt ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF ** For Assistance: dfischer at usol.com ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From johngadd at comcast.net Mon Dec 21 23:40:53 2015 From: johngadd at comcast.net (john) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 04:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 In-Reply-To: <4aa165.5242fc1d.43a9f9f7@cs.com> References: <4aa165.5242fc1d.43a9f9f7@cs.com> Message-ID: <1962092997.6795016.1450759253557.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Yes www.Microsoft.com then support/ then browsers go down to you get to I8 BUT there are several updates to I-8 after that initial install Most of the later o/s software is backward compatible BUT after Win XP they changed the file structure from FAT to NTFS which fixed the security issue a great deal, I would strongly recommend you upgrade that machine to Win 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Downs via Ham-Computers" To: Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net Cc: WA5CAB at cs.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 5:57:27 PM Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 Does anyone know whether or not IE 8 can still be downloaded from the Microsoft Update site? One of our main machines here still runs XP. One program that I run on it frequently is the Stamps.Com software to print postage. The software was working OK this morning but all of a sudden quit working mid-afternoon. After an hour with their tech support this afternoon, they informed me that their software somehow uses IE to connect to their servers. And the problem was with the IE 8 installation. They tried first to tell me that I had to switch their software to a Windows 8 machine we have that is in another room. Then they said I could try reinstalling IE 8 but there was no guarantee that that would fix the problem. And have a nice day. So I'm going to try uninstalling and reinstalling IE 8 but if I recall correctly, XP shipped with either 6 or 7. So I need an installable copy of IE 8. Robert Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF ** For Assistance: dfischer at usol.com ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From WA5CAB at cs.com Mon Dec 21 23:49:58 2015 From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 23:49:58 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 Message-ID: <4b31b4.653f4739.43aa3076@cs.com> We have several critical programs that will not run under WIN 7. In a message dated 12/21/2015 22:19:12 PM Central Standard Time, johngadd at comcast.net writes: > Microsoft dumped Win XP over a year ago. It was full of security holes. > Win 7 is still available on E bay. Robert Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 From WA5CAB at cs.com Mon Dec 21 23:56:17 2015 From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 23:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 Message-ID: <4b326b.71cc37eb.43aa31f1@cs.com> Once again, we have critical software that won't run under 7 or the two that Microsoft now claims never existed. In a message dated 12/21/2015 22:41:05 PM Central Standard Time, johngadd at comcast.net writes: > Yes www.Microsoft.com then support/ then browsers go down to you get to > I8 BUT there are several updates to I-8 after that initial install > > Most of the later o/s software is backward compatible BUT after Win XP > they changed the file structure from FAT to NTFS which fixed the security > issue a great deal, I would strongly recommend you upgrade that machine to Win > 7 > Robert & Susan Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 From WA5CAB at cs.com Wed Dec 23 13:03:28 2015 From: WA5CAB at cs.com (WA5CAB at cs.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:03:28 -0500 Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 Message-ID: <4b5ef5.466fd284.43ac3bf0@cs.com> Although I did not come up with a method to uninstall and reinstall IE8 that I was willing to try, the next day the problem with the Stamps.com software fixed itself. From which I concluded that the problem was at their end, given that between the last time I tried it when it didn't work and the next time when it was back to normal, all that I did was sleep a few hours and take our dog for her morning walk. Robert Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 From nn6o.lists at pacbell.net Wed Dec 23 21:43:17 2015 From: nn6o.lists at pacbell.net (nn6o) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:43:17 -0800 Subject: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 In-Reply-To: <4b5ef5.466fd284.43ac3bf0@cs.com> References: <4b5ef5.466fd284.43ac3bf0@cs.com> Message-ID: <000001d13df4$d9828820$8c879860$@lists@pacbell.net> Holiday greetings all! As John mentioned earlier, IE8 is still available from Microsoft here's the direct link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/internet-explorer-8-details.aspx However, UNinstalling IE8 can be a headache depending on when IE8 was installed/upgraded vs Service Pack 3 (SP3) for WinXP. If IE8 was installed *before* SP3, then SP3 needs to be uninstalled (along with subsequent updates) prior to uninstalling IE8 or it will balk. If IE8 was installed *after* SP3, then this shouldn't be a problem. MS could have saved a few headaches by including IE8 as part of SP3 (they were released almost at the same time), but they didn't. After installing IE8, make sure to run Windows Update to get the most up-to-date patches for it. After the requisite reboot, run Windows Update again (and reboot, ad infinitum) until no additional updates are required. Just realize that IE8 is long out of support and has many security holes...as such, use with caution (e.g. ONLY WHEN NECESSARY). I would advise a newer browser (such as Firefox, Chrome) as your "regular" browser when using XP. Better yet, build a Windows XP virtual machine using VMWare, VirtualBox, or even Microsoft's Virtual PC to run IE8 when needed - this will "sandbox" IE8 (and XP) to reduce the possibility of malicious activity affecting the rest of your PC. I primarily run Windows 7, but have WinXP SP3 VM's to do certain things that XP is (surprisingly) better at. 73 and Happy Holidays, - Aaron Hsu, NN6O -----Original Message----- From: Ham-Computers [mailto:ham-computers-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Downs via Ham-Computers Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:03 AM To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net Cc: WA5CAB at cs.com Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] IE 8 Although I did not come up with a method to uninstall and reinstall IE8 that I was willing to try, the next day the problem with the Stamps.com software fixed itself. From which I concluded that the problem was at their end, given that between the last time I tried it when it didn't work and the next time when it was back to normal, all that I did was sleep a few hours and take our dog for her morning walk. Robert Downs - Houston wa5cab dot com (Web Store) MVPA 9480 ______________________________________________________________ Ham-Computers mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net List Administrator: Duane Fischer, W8DBF ** For Assistance: dfischer at usol.com ** This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html