[Ham-Computers] Automatic Updates/XP Media Center
jandlmiller at bellsouth.net
jandlmiller at bellsouth.net
Mon Jul 28 14:13:48 EDT 2008
Microsoft confirmed there is a Security Update for SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 4 (KB948110) at 10.3 MB that started last week to be incorrectly released on Automatic Updates to thousands of XP machines including XP Media Center Edition. It does not seems to bother XP-Home Edition machines. Microsoft is trying to discover why this automatic update is being sent to stand-alone machine, not on a network, that do not require this update.
The fix is to run Start/Windows Update or Start/All Programs/Windows Update and after the scan of your machine, disable that update (and any other non-essential updates) from keying the "golden shield" from appearing on the systray.
If anyone other than me is having this issue and can't seem to solve it, please post to the list or contact me directly.
John W0IKT
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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:58:10 +0000
> Today's Topics:
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> 3. Automatic Update on XP (jandlmiller at bellsouth.net)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:38:13 +0000
> From: jandlmiller at bellsouth.net
> Subject: [Ham-Computers] Automatic Update on XP
> To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net (Ham_Computers)
>
> The issue discussed is below is related to the message "Security Update for SQL
> Server 2000 Service Pack 4 (KB948110) at 10.3 MB" that has appeared as an
> automatic update on my XP Media Center laptop.
>
> That security update won't install because there's apparently no place for it in
> my XP Media Center laptop. There apparently is no known way to remove this
> update from my computer even though it does not apply to me.
>
> Those I've talked to, including the manufacturer, suggest that since XP SP3,
> Microsoft has sent out many updates not applicable to many users, and this is
> but one example. Their suggestion is to turn Automatic Updates off for the
> duration of XP life cycle to prevent further erroneous downloads.
>
> Does make sense to anyone?
>
> In the past, all Automatic Updates that were downloaded applied to my computer.
>
> John W0IKT
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:09:25 +0000
> > From: jandlmiller at bellsouth.net
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] Automatic Update on XP
> > To: ham-computers at mailman.qth.net (Ham_Computers)
> >
> > On my XP Media Center laptop I have Automatic Updates turned on. There is, in
> > the systray, an icon with golden shield and exclamation mark indicating that
> an
> > update is ready for my computer. When I run my cursor over this icon it tells
> > me all of this, of course.
> >
> > I click on the icon and a window pops up asking, "How do you want to install
> > updates" with a default of a tick mark (radio button) for "Express Install
> > (Recommended)." Now, if I change the tick to "Custom Install (Advanced)" and
> > select "Next >" a listing of updates ready for installation, and the related
> > sizes, appears. Then I can the Install or Cancel button. All of this is very
> > vanilla and very normal. Right now the Desktop is what I see on the monitor
> and
> > the little golden jewel is in the systray.
> >
> > When I just used Custom to see the list waiting installation, the only one
> there
> > is "Security Update for SQL Server 2000 Service Pack 4 (KB948110) at 10.3 MB.
> > My first question for myself was why does this update have anything to do with
> > me, but I had no answer except that stranger things have happened, so I click
> > the icon (left or right, it doesn't care) and the dialog window again appears
> > with the default to Express Install, and I select Install. A window pops up
> > confirming the installation is underway. Then the window says that some of
> the
> > updates could not be installed, and says that the Security Update referenced
> > above was not installed. I select close.
> >
> > The window closes and the icon disappears from my systray for a few minutes,
> and
> > then it returns to the systray in a few minutes.
> >
> > This scenario has been repeated over the last few days.
> >
> > Is there a way to either install what needs to be, or get rid of what is
> causing
> > the icon to say that something is waiting to be installed that can't be?
> >
> > John W0IKT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:14:06 EDT
> > From: WA5CAB at cs.com
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] Computer temperatures
> > To: Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net
> > Message-ID: <ce7.311aa828.35bb55ce at cs.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > In Setup on Intel and Intel based mother boards one of the screens displays
> > several current operating termperatures. One or two called Motherboard. CPU
> > or CPU Core. On this year old Intel board, two more are called ICH and MCH.
> > The machine locked up sometime early this morning and again shortly after I
> > rebooted it. When I went into Setup, I found all of the temperatures to be
> say
> > between 50 and 55C, and drifting down slightly as the complete side cover was
> > off. But one ID'd as ICH was at 88C. Can anyone tell me what ICH is? And
> for
> > that matter, MCH?
> >
> > I looked the board over but didn't find any large accumulation of dust
> > buildup (which seems to have turned out to be why the previous system board
> was
> > rebooting itself).
> >
> > Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
> > wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> > MVPA 9480
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:19:22 EDT
> > From: WA5CAB at cs.com
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] More Computer Temperatures
> > To: Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net
> > Message-ID: <d13.1436271d.35bb570a at cs.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Also, is there any way in which to monitor or check these temperatures
> > without rebooting the machine and going into system setup?
> >
> > Robert Downs - Houston
> > wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> > MVPA 9480
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:02:17 -0700
> > From: "Hsu, Aaron (NBC Universal)" <aaron.hsu at nbcuni.com>
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] RE: Computer temperatures
> > To: "I>Ham-Computers" <Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <C8A2CD0F524AA74A993DF6B84D3EE7D804763F8B at UCTMLVEM01.e2k.ad.ge.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > These MCH and ICH are terms created by Intel - they're acronyms for the
> "Memory
> > Controller Hub" and the "I/O Controller Hub". They're also known as the
> > "sorthbridge" (MCH) and "southbridge (ICH). Both chips combined form the
> basis
> > of the motherboard. MCH and ICH are usually sold as sets, but it's possible
> to
> > combine different versions of MCH and ICH as long as they're interface
> > compatible. A common reason to do this is cost - it may be less expensive to
> > use an older or slower ICH (or one from a different vendor) to make a "budget"
> > motherboard.
> >
> > The "northbridge" (MCH) is the chip that directly interfaces (connects) the
> CPU,
> > RAM, and the "high speed" video interface (be it AGP or PCI-e x16). It
> > basically interfaces the "fastest" components on the systemboard. Most
> > northbridge chips run quite warm - averaging 40 to 60 degrees C. That might
> > even be higher if doing memory intensive tasks (including gaming where much
> data
> > is flowing to the AGP/PCI-e slot). On "enthusiast" motherboards (used by
> gamers
> > and tweakers), there is often a large heatsink on the northbridge - some even
> > have fans.
> >
> > The "southbridge" ICH is the chip that interfaces to the MCH and adds I/O
> > support. An example of what's on a southbridge are "native" hard drive
> > interfaces (SATA/PATA), PCI & PCI-e slots, USB controller, "legacy" I/O, audio
> > interface, on-board video, etc. Often, if the motherboard offers "additional"
> > slots or hard drive connectors, the chip controlling those slots/connectors
> will
> > be interfaced to the ICH - usually via PCI or PCI-e. The southbridge runs
> > slower than the northbridge, so it runs cooler and often doesn't have a
> > heatsink.
> >
> > There are several Windows utilities that will show the temps if the sensors
> are
> > "available" (meaning there's a way to read their status). One of the
> difficult
> > things with these types of apps is the sheer number of "system health" chips
> out
> > there - each one has a different programming interface (API). So, each time a
> > new motherboard comes out, if it uses a different system health monitor chip,
> > the utilities need to be updated to support it. Plus, each motherboard vendor
> > might implement the chip differently, so that just complicates things.
> >
> > Motherboard Monitor (MBM) was a popular app, but it's development was stopped
> a
> > few years ago - probably due to the difficulty mentioned above. I use
> SpeedFan
> > (http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php), but this app is geared more towards fan
> > management. It's also a "tweakers" tool and requires some fiddling to get
> > working properly - for example, it can detect fans and temperature sensors,
> but
> > it doesn't know exactly where these are. It just labels them as "Temp 1",
> "Temp
> > 2", "Fan 1", "Fan 2", etc. and you need to relabel them yourself. Also, the
> > sensors themselves are simple A/D converters and any calibration might be
> > programmed into the system BIOS - when you use something like SpeedFan, it
> > doesn't use any BIOS calibration data, so you may need to configure that
> > yourself or at least take that into consideration. For example, most temp
> > monitors (like SpeedFan) have been off by 10 degrees C with the Intel E8000
> > series CPU's. This is because the API for the core thermal sensor
> > changed. Also, some motherboards have a CPU temp sensor - this usually
> reads
> > lower than the on-chip "core temp" sensor. Some programs use the motherboard
> > sensor, some use the "core" sensor, and some might report both. If it only
> > reports one, it might list that as "CPU" - well, is that the motherboard
> sensor
> > or the "core" sensor? You get the idea.
> >
> > Many motherboard vendors include a system monitoring tool with the motherboard
> > (or downloadable). These are programmed specifically for that vendor's
> > products, so the temp and fan sensors are usually labeled correctly and any
> > compensation is included. However, these apps might also be buggy, bloated,
> or
> > just plain butt ugly.
> >
> > See if your motherboard vendor has a tool available to monitor system temps in
> > Windows. If not, give SpeedFan a shot. As for dust build-up, take a can of
> > compressed air (dust-off) and, using short 1 second bursts, "blow out" the CPU
> > heatsink and fan. Although you might not "see" much, you'll be surprised at
> how
> > much has actually accumulated. Better yet, if you know how, take the CPU fan
> > off the CPU before using blowing it out. If you do this though, you'll need
> to
> > clean-off the old thermal material on the heat sink and CPU and use new
> material
> > when you put the heatsink/fan back on.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > - Aaron, NN6O
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:14 AM
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] Computer temperatures
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > In Setup on Intel and Intel based mother boards one of the screens displays
> > several current operating termperatures. One or two called Motherboard. CPU
> or
> > CPU Core. On this year old Intel board, two more are called ICH and MCH.
> >
> > The machine locked up sometime early this morning and again shortly after I
> > rebooted it. When I went into Setup, I found all of the temperatures to be
> say
> > between 50 and 55C, and drifting down slightly as the complete side cover was
> > off. But one ID'd as ICH was at 88C. Can anyone tell me what ICH is? And
> for
> > that matter, MCH?
> >
> > I looked the board over but didn't find any large accumulation of dust buildup
> > (which seems to have turned out to be why the previous system board was
> > rebooting itself).
> >
> > Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
> > wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> > MVPA 9480
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:29:06 EDT
> > From: WA5CAB at cs.com
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] FS: 70X70 MM FANS
> > To: Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net
> > Message-ID: <c9c.2ac3091a.35bbadb2 at cs.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Several weeks ago, a bearing went intermittenty noisy in one of the case fans
> > in one of the machines here. Thinking (erroneously) that the fan sizes were
> > spec'd to hole mounting dimensions, I measured the hole pattern on the outside
> > of the case and got about 70 mm. Went to Microcenter and bought the last
> > three 70x70x15 mm fans they had. The bearing quit making noise so I didn't
> > change them at the time. Tonight, while fiddling with the temperature problem
> I
> > asked about this morning I decided to change the fans. Fortunately, I
> compared
> > the old and new fans before removing the old ones. And of course the old ones
> > are 80 mm fans.
> >
> > So I have three unopened 70 mm 2-ball bearing aluminum frame fans made by
> > Evercool. If anyone happens to need one, two or all three, they are $11.90
> each
> > (what I paid for them not including gasoline to go get them) plus postage.
> > Each includes a Molex to whatever the little 3-pin connector is called adaptor
> >
> > Robert Downs - Houston
> > wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> > MVPA 9480
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:13:47 -0400
> > From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] RE: Link for AVG 7.5
> > To: "Computers (or other) used for amateur radio, communications, or
> > experimenting" <ham-computers at mailman.qth.net>
> > Message-ID: <000e01c8eeb4$7b6d3e20$b5ea1240 at hpdc5100mt>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Hey Aaron! Is it safe for me to install version 8.0 on my system or should I
> > leave it parked on the 'desktop'?
> >
> > Tnx.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hsu, Aaron (NBC Universal)" <aaron.hsu at nbcuni.com>
> > To: "I>Ham-Computers" <Ham-Computers at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:45 PM
> > Subject: [Ham-Computers] RE: Link for AVG 7.5
> >
> >
> > >I concur with Jay - 2GB is a "sweet spot" with WinXP. Why? Here's what I
> > >generally recommend with WinXP:
> > >
> > > 512MB - Minimum (though MS states 256MB, it's not worth the effort)
> > > 1GB - My recommended minimum
> > > 2GB - Good price point vs performance
> > > 4GB - Overkill in most cases as OS limits take effect (you lose upto
> > > 768MB)
> > >
> > > 1GB DDR2 sticks are now almost the same cost as 512MB sticks (or lower).
> > > For example, the local Fry's has 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix pairs for $20
> > > after rebate - and this is the performance series (PC6400 @ 4-4-4-12).
> > > Also, most systems today run RAM in "dual channel" mode, so performance is
> > > better when RAM is installed in pairs. So, 2 x 1GB = 2GB.
> > >
> > > BTW, if you're thinking of going with 4GB, you should use 2 2GB sticks
> > > rather than 4 1GB sticks, especially if you're a "tweaker" (the memory
> > > controllers often don't have enough "umph" to drive 4 sticks if you
> > > overclock).
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > - Aaron, NN6O
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] RE: Link for AVG 7.5
> > >
> > > Jay Eimer wrote:
> > >> All very true Aaron. For most people, XP Pro (or home, for that matter)
> > >> seems to want 1GB, and has a sweet spot at 2GB RAM.
> > >>
> > >> Jay
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I agree with everything Aaron said, but I must ask you Jay - why do you
> > > feel 2GB is the sweet spot for ram on a XP box running 32 bit home/pro?
> > >
> > > respectfully,
> > >
> > > Gareth
> > > N1MSV
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