[Ham-Computers] Intermittent Computer lockup under Norton

[Duane Fischer, W8DBF]

Which once again brings up an ugly issue: user ignorance. While some programs
are most definitely flawed, most of the time the real conflicts happen because
the end user does not understand how to use their computer and the programs
installed on it. The industry has done their best to make most users totally
dumb about what they are using. They just want people to point, click and
upgrade. Not think, not understand and not realize they are being ripped off
most of the time. 	
	
I am NOT implying that anyone who has commented is ignorant. I am saying that
mos tusers are that way because corporations make them that way intentionally.
The less we know, the more willing we are to be misled and to spend money we do
not need to. 	
	
There is no set in concrete standard what program works with what virus
software. All of them have conflicts. It depends on the person using the
computer, his/her level of competence, the software running in the background,
the order in which the TSR's are executed, the memory areas being used by a
given program at a given time and much more. I can guarantee that I have
programs that will lock up Doc's computer running Norton. But he probably has
some that will lock up mine running Mcafee!	
	
The software today is poorly written, for the most part, skilled programmers are
becoming more scarce. Most could not write in Assembler (machine code) if their
lives depended on it. Most people have so much trash on their computer that
there is no way to get around conflicts. Adobe Photo Deluxe, when installed,
changes the video display adapter and does not tell you it has done so! Locked
up my ssystem. It would not even boot up. If it were not for being able to go in
through DOS, and locate the changes to the system.ini file, I would have had to
wipe the hard drive and do everything from ground zero. The mix of uneducated
users, poorly written software, terrible tech support for the vast majority of
companies, dissemination of incorrect information and junk downloaded onto
systems from the Internet, disasters are absolutely going to happen.	
	
Until, or unless, we once again train the users how to use the computer, there
will be no resolution to this problem.   	
	
Duane Fischer, W8DBF 

----------
From: doc <e.net@verizon.net>
To: ham-computers@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Ham-Computers] Intermittent Computer lockup under Norton
Date: Saturday, May 18, 2002 4:42 PM

I have to disagree, though my intent is not to be disagreeable!

I have used Norton AntiVirus for two decades and have also
experimented with several of the alternatives.

My experience has consistently been that NAV catches everything
with no false-flagging of non-viruses and have never suffered any
conflicts with other products (I cannot say the same for some of
the other apps in the Norton Utility collection).

McAfee's anti-virus app created all sorts of havoc both times that I
tried it.  I have advised many relatives and friends to switch from
McAfee to NAV to resolve conflicts and they have been pleased.

I have not tried NAV 2002, perhaps the need to map around the
virus M$ calls WP has created new challenges?

I have no relationship to NAV other than as a satisfied customer.
Am slowly transitioning to Linux now so much of the need to
patch M$'s poor code with NAV will disappear!

73, doc kd4e

> This is an ongoing, longstanding, problem with many Norton products. Much
> software is not written to run with it and it frequently causes havoc in
the HMA
> area. AAlthough I liked some of their products, I got tired of the
constant
> conflicts with one thing or another and stopped using them. That was in
the
> eighties, so things have changed little since.
>
> Phil:
> I am also running Norton (2002 which is basically the same as 2001) and
also
> have lockup problems.
> I like to use the Norton because of the features and problem solving
> abilities like Reg scan, etc.
> Most recently, I started having trouble with the Internet Connection
Sharing
> program and am not sure it is generated by Norton.
> I would say that the Norton program works FB 98% of the time, but am still
> not sure what is causing the other problems.
> If you find an answer re Norton, please let me know. (I have checked
> Norton's web site and nil)
>
> 73,
> Gene, WXQFC


_______________________________________________
Ham-Computers mailing list
Ham-Computers@mailman.qth.net
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ham-computers