Hi Gerry, You are not cranky. I have about had it with this thread, too. I vote we table this discussion at this point. 73 and have a great weekend, John, W4AWM ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)