I ran into a similar puzzle when I took the 28 to field day. It didnt have a plug on it so I wired one on, and had a 14 TD as well.

Turned out the jacks on my Hal st-6 were in a project box mounted on a metal plate. The plug I used for the 28, as well as the one already on the 14 TD were only tip-ring. The jacks ended up being "stereo", so putting a mono plug shorted ring to sleeve, aka the metal plate, so the first plug in works, but the rest of the jacks were bypassed.

Only took me an hour and a pile of clip leads figuring that out. Then another hour figuring out the TD was 50 baud, not 45. (Range finder adjustment fixed that).

Replaced the project box with a plastic outlet box and plastic plate.

Jeff KC3GJX

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On Jul 5, 2024, at 9:23 PM, Nick England <[email protected]> wrote:


I was checking out a newly acquired FSK converter (Harris RF-3352). It has a built-in loop supply that connects via straps on the rear. Hooked up a keyboard and printer and it worked fine in loopback (transmit audio tied to receive audio). So I put it in a rack and hooked it up to my TTY patch panel using the patch panel's loop supply and current limiting resistor.
Transmit audio sounds good and the receive M-S lights are blinking with ITTY,. So far so good.
Then I plugged a reperf and a MITE printer into the receive loop.....
The printer prints but the reperf doesn't perf - Say What???
It's a loop, the reperf selector magnets are in series with the printer - What's happening?

I tried a 28 printer (with LESU line relay) - it works but the reperf doesn't. Tried another reperf (with LESU selector magnet driver) - it works OK. Turns out that the loop is actually 60ma marking and 10ma spacing - so I guess the reperf magnets were holding while the printers were cycling normally.

So why is there 10ma in spacing?? Put it back on the bench and hooked up the internal loop supply again - 60ma marking and 0ma spacing. Huh?

Well, here's what I think I figured out - the receive loop keyer is not your typical transistor switch from loop + to ground - it is kinda complicated with + and - loop keyers so you can configure it for polar or neutral operation. And that circuit evidently draws 10ma from the loop +/- terminals. That's no big deal when drawn directly from the internal loop supply terminals, but because my TTY loop + is actually the p/s + fed through the patch panel's current limiting resistor AND the reperf/printer, then the 10ma is flowing through my signal loop and not just the supply terminals. At least that's what I think is happening.
The manual says you can use an external loop supply, but as I found out, you can't use an external loop supply with TTY devices in series! What a strange engineering decision.
If you are curious, the manual is here  -
https://www.navy-radio.com/manuals/harris/rf3352-man-8310.pdf

So, I either need to modify this thing (and I really really hate to do that) or use its internal supply and bypass my patch panel's supply. Ah well, I've already done that bypass rewiring for a Dovetron with internal supply so it isn't a big deal, just this week's annoying puzzle.

Semper TTY,
Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com
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