[GreenKeys] O/T: Apologies

Sun Sep 29 21:07:57 EDT 2024

E,

Well said!

73 & have fun,

Duncan
K2OEQ

On 9/29/2024 8:32 PM, E. wrote:
> Now O/T:  Fact checking does not indicate bias… fact checking is just that - fact checking (and indicates good journalism too).  I think we’ve grown so used to some of the media outlets just being over the moon on getting an interview (since there are so many outlets nowadays that anyone can choose from for an interview), that many of their questions are real softballs - so that the interviewee will keep on coming back (or at least the interviewing outlet will not get demonized for asking hard questions).  For example, one of my favorite investigative journalists - Mike Wallace… he was not afraid to throw punches.
>
> …and with so many different outlets spewing so much information & stink nowadays, it’s hard for anyone — Average Joe included, to know what is fact and what is not (and I’m not talking about “alternative facts" here — i.e. the world is flat).  AI is making it even harder.  Having the reader decide what is what just adds to what much of the world sees us (the U.S.) as now — an uneducated loony-bin stuck in echo chambers and on social media.
>
> Freedom of speech is 100% one of the fundamental rights of our great country.  You can go out and protest whatever you feel is right.  You can write a letter to the editor on a topic you feel strongly about.  You can say your opinion amongst your fellow citizens without retribution.  Even so, there's a clear dividing line between fact and opinion.  According to the Webster Dictionary:
>
> Fact
> noun
> ˈfakt
> 1a: something that has actual existence
> -space exploration is now a fact
> 1b: an actual occurrence
> -prove the fact of damage
> 2: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
> -These are the hard facts of the case.
> 3: the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY
> -a question of fact hinges on evidence
> 4: a thing done: such as
> 4a: CRIME
> -accessory after the fact
> 4b (archaic): ACTION
> 4c (obsolete): FEAT
> 5 (archaic): PERFORMANCE, DOING
>
> Opinion
> noun
> opin·ion ə-ˈpin-yən
> 1a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
> -We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.
> 1b: APPROVAL, ESTEEM
> -I have no great opinion of his work.
> 2a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
> -a person of rigid opinions
> 2b: a generally held view
> -news programs that shape public opinion
> 3a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert
> -My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.
> 3b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based
> -The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.
>
> You’re free to your opinion, but facts are still facts.
>
> I’ve lived in a second world (communist) country before, so I bristle every time I hear someone yell censorship after getting reaction for shouting fire in a crowded theater.  I’ve seen real government censorship — we do not have such in this free world.
>
> Anywho, I’ll stop here (*sorry for the rant)…..  /done
>
>
>> On Sep 29, 2024, at 6:39 PM, steve bennett<raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>
>> From: steve bennett<raleigh_ranger at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Apologies
>> Date: September 29, 2024 at 6:39:08 PM CDT
>> To: Anthony Watson via GreenKeys<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>, "E."<hanyou at xsmail.com>
>>
>> ABC right in the middle of the chart after what they just did in the debate! LMAO
>> That's a riot!
>>
>> -Steve
>
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>> On Sep 29, 2024, at 6:35 PM, steve bennett via GreenKeys<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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>> What ever happed to letting both sides speak and letting the reader decide?
>> We are a country founded on free speech.
>> If you have to resort to censorship it's because you don't have arguments that can stand on their own merit.
>>
>> -Steve Bennett
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 29, 2024 at 07:23:12 PM EDT, E.<hanyou at xsmail.com> wrote:
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>> I sometimes point others to this chart (attached)… seems about right.
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>>> On Sep 29, 2024, at 4:21 PM, John, W9DDD<w9ddd at tapr.org> wrote:
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>>> I took it to mean you can't rely on just one source of information these days.  It takes time to figure out which sources lean one way or the other and by how much.  My momma taught me to be a skeptic.  I have no idea where AP and UPI fit into the wide spectrum these days.
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