[GreenKeys] Greenkeys problem

Sat Mar 19 05:13:02 EDT 2022

I would add Tom's problem and my problem both probably occur because of
gmail.
When I send to the list from my work email joeyd at northwest-denture.com
it always directly posts never a problem BUT when I send from my Gmail it
bounces 100%(pct) of the time.  This is evidenced by my two posts from the
work account and then the post from the gmail showing up at different times
the work email was instant the gmail posted whenever whatever intervention
took place. I do not prefer to use my work email for Greenkeys but it let
me know that the issue was not the content but more likely that it didn't
like something about the email account.

Here is the kicker to all this. Google's mail runs my work email.

I originally thought it was the foreign characters in my last name the N
with a ' that triggers it as I do not have that in my work email,my last
name is hard enough to spell without the complication of Polish letters LOL.

But with Tom having a similar issue as myself it looks more like it is just
the greenkeys list not liking GMAIL in general.

JD
Sent from my GMAIL.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:29 PM gil baudot.net <gil at baudot.net> wrote:

> Well, there is no "spam" analysis and action taken by the mailman system
> used by the greenkeys list.
>
> There are indeed greenkeys "bounces" (much to the chagrin of some folks
> who seem to get bounced more than others) that suspend your account after a
> certain amount of delivery rejections, or something.  I have little control
> over the automated bounce system, but I do manually re-activate an account
> when someone lets me know a user is on hold.  Here is an excerpt from the
> system:
>
> "
> These policies control the automatic bounce processing system in Mailman.
> Here's an overview of how it works.
>
> When a bounce is received, Mailman tries to extract two pieces of
> information from the message: the address of the member the message was
> intended for, and the severity of the problem causing the bounce. The
> severity can be either *hard* or *soft* meaning either a fatal error
> occurred, or a transient error occurred. When in doubt, a hard severity is
> used.
>
> If no member address can be extracted from the bounce, then the bounce is
> usually discarded. Otherwise, each member is assigned a *bounce score* and
> every time we encounter a bounce from this member we increment the score.
> Hard bounces increment by 1 while soft bounces increment by 0.5. We only
> increment the bounce score once per day, so even if we receive ten hard
> bounces from a member per day, their score will increase by only 1 for that
> day.
>
> When a member's bounce score is greater than the bounce score threshold
> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/greenkeys/bounce?VARHELP=bounce/bounce_score_threshold>,
> the subscription is disabled. Once disabled, the member will not receive
> any postings from the list until their membership is explicitly re-enabled
> (either by the list administrator or the user). However, they will receive
> occasional reminders that their membership has been disabled, and these
> reminders will include information about how to re-enable their membership.
>
> You can control both the number of reminders
> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/greenkeys/bounce?VARHELP=bounce/bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings>
>  the member will receive and the frequency
> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/greenkeys/bounce?VARHELP=bounce/bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval>
>  with which these reminders are sent.
>
> There is one other important configuration variable; after a certain
> period of time -- during which no bounces from the member are received --
> the bounce information is considered stale
> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/greenkeys/bounce?VARHELP=bounce/bounce_info_stale_after>
>  and discarded. Thus by adjusting this value, and the score threshold,
> you can control how quickly bouncing members are disabled. You should tune
> both of these to the frequency and traffic volume of your list."
>
>
> Sometime it seems like the mailman system used by greenkeys is as old as
> some of our machines, though less well-behaved.
>
>
> fyi, gil
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <
> greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of John, W9DDD <
> w9ddd at tapr.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2022 7:43 PM
> *To:* greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] Greenkeys problem
>
>
> Checking the greenkeys archive http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/
>
> can tell you if the problem is going into the reflector or coming out.
> Postings seem to show up in the archive fairly soon after being sent to the
> list.
>
> ---
> ----
> The above comments or recommendations are SWAG. Use at your own risk.
> John, W9DDD
>
> On 3/18/2022 9:18 PM, Doug Jackson wrote:
>
> Hi Tom.
>
> Spam bounce messages are literally 100% automatic and not created by a
> person.
>
> You should never work on the basis that  a human being has taken offence.
> They are literally machine generated based on an algorithm that looks at
> content coupled with source network and many many other factors.
>
> Spam detection isn't moderation.  It's simply a seriously inexact artwork
> implemented in dumb logic.
>
> Doug   VK1ZDJ
>
>
>
> I hope tgat helps.
>
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022, 12:51 pm Matthew Wagner, <mattwagner92597 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I received your message, so it did happen to get through to me. I
> appreciate it and will definitely take a look. Not sure about the spam
> filtering but I did get your message.
>
> Much appreciated,
> M. Wagner
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 21:46 joe duszynski <joeyd at northwest-denture.com>
> wrote:
>
> If this doesn't  bounce its the algorithm.
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 9:34 PM Tom Hunter <tomhenryhunter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  I tired to help put Mathew Wagner, Greenkeys bounced it  back as spam.
>
> This is not the first time this has happened.
>
> Does anyone else feel any of my messages are out of line?
> If so, I will just read the mail, mind my own business and
> quit trying to help others.
>
>
> Tom   N3CRK
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