[GreenKeys] Nagle's teletype board key part nearing end of life

W2HX w2hx at w2hx.com
Sun Mar 28 14:47:22 EDT 2021 

Ha! I vaguely remember something about this project but the gray matter betrays me once again.

IF anyone has one of these available, please let me know!

One thing I would love to do is to interface my 28ASR to my PDP-11. Can this board be used with some other gadget to get back to ASCII RS232 serial?
Eugene


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From: eric <epvgk at limpoc.com> 
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To: W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com>
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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Nagle's teletype board key part nearing end of life

On 2021-03-28 08:40, W2HX wrote:
> It would seem to me, someone with the requisite skills might consider 
> cooking up our own UART using maybe CPLD or something. Or maybe 
> simpler, using an Arduino somehow. That project could be extended to 
> have a USB interface. Seems we may have to "roll our own" at some 
> point when all these chips disappear.
> 73 Eugene W2HX

I did this a couple of years ago and manufactured a pretty good sized run of them, so there are quite a few floating around. Jordan Cunningham had another run of them made this past year but I'm not aware if he's shipped any yet.  They are out there, though.
https://www.heepy.net/index.php/USB-teletype   The firmware source code 
is on github if you want to make your own, too.   
https://github.com/epvuc/usb-tty

As you describe, it looks like a USB serial port to the computer. 
There's a configuration mode which lets you configure baud rate arbitrarily (up to about 600 baud or so). There's a passthrough mode where it looks like the pl2303, and also a smart mode where it translates ITA-2 to/from ASCII and does various other stuff.

eric


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> of life
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> I have a recently acquired (as in two weeks ago)   a CP2102N-EB that 
> is cheerfully talking to itself on loopback at 110 baud  in prep for 
> connecting to an ASR33.   Port selection in device properties goes as 
> low as 75 baud without tinkering with the "Baud-Rate Aliasing tool".
> That may not solve your 45 baud rate problem  but the doc assertion 
> that the unit won't work below 300 appears inaccurate and suggests 
> some testing might be in order to see if it's unsupported but still 
> present.....
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/27/2021 2:25 PM, John Nagle wrote:
>> My USD to serial board, described here:
>> 
>> https://github.com/John-Nagle/ttyloopdriver
>> 
>> uses the SiLab CP2102 USB to serial port part.
>> 
>> As of March 2021, the SiLabs CP2102 USB to serial part is "not 
>> recommended for new designs". The "drop in replacement" CP2012N will 
>> not work. It will not run at speeds below 300 baud.
>> 
>> From SiLabs' porting guide: "Baud Rate Aliasing is a feature that 
>> allows a device to use a pre-defined baud rate in place of a baud 
>> rate that is requested by the user. For example, a device using Baud 
>> Rate Aliasing can be programmed to use a baud rate of 45 bps whenever 
>> 300 bps is requested. Baud Rate Aliasing is not supported on the CP2102N.
>> If Baud Rate Aliasing is used in a CP2102/9 design, the CP2102N is 
>> incompatible as a replacement."
>> 
>> Ref:
>> https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/application-notes/an976-cp210
>> 2
>> -3-4-9-to-cp2102n-porting-guide.pdf
>> 
>> It's become difficult to find serial devices that will run at 45 baud.
>> The CP2102 was one of the last. It's still available, so if you plan 
>> to build that board, stock up now.
>> 
>>                 John Nagle
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