[GreenKeys] [External] Tip on loops

Sat Oct 5 13:31:45 EDT 2019

In Europe even CFLs are almost dead and likely to be banned soon. I am in
Spain at the moments and our local shop, which is run my a person of I think
Chinese heritage, at least its called "Bazaar Chino" has only a few CFLs but
lots of LEDs. A lot of the cheap LEDs use capacitive droppers and generate
very little interference. In the UK the RSGB has been trying to get bad ones
removed from sale. However, this is hit and miss some are reportedly really
bad. In addition, they run much cooler which may of may not be an advantage.
I haven't tested them all recently but for me the main issue when trying to
operate HF is noise from the many nearby FTTC/VDSL internet installations,
many of which have what I think is un-twisted drop wires to the house and as
a result radiate across virtually the whole of HF. Background noise is about
S7-S8 most of the time on my G5RV. I hoped a vertical would be better as I
assumed the VDSL would be horizontally polarized, but it doesn't seem to
help. I note the RGSB says my levels may be "normal" in built up areas...

https://rsgb.org/main/technical/emc/i-am-experiencing-interference/

As for running cooler, until recently our kitchen had 10xGU10 spots.
Originally these were Halogen spotlights and when I swapped them for LED the
power use went down, but my wife complained it was cold and turned the
heating up.....

Dave
G4UGM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of John, W9DDD
> Sent: 05 October 2019 15:04
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Tip on loops
> 
> So I'm not imagining things.
> 
> I thought the primary thrust originally was elimination of the common 60,
75
> and 100 watt incandescent bulbs.  Decorative and appliance lamps being
> excluded.  In the meantime there's an open range assortment of CFL and LED
> substitutes.  Not all of them are friendly to the RF atmosphere.
> 
> Originally we were told the CFL would last 10 times longer.  I never found
that
> to be the case.
> 
> Speaking of RF interference, I've found a LED lamp at Ikea that seems to
be
> clean.  At least I can turn it on and not have the local 50kW AM station
blanks
> out.  Physically it looks like a 40 watt incandescent.
> It makes a nice desk lamp.  And they are only $1.00 ... a loss leader?
> 
> John, W9DDD
> 
> 
> On 10/5/2019 8:52 AM, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:
> > My understanding is there was some back-peddling on the bulb ban here
> > in the states. In fact there were several different incandescent
> > options at the box store I was in yesterday. None were US made.
> >
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com
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> >> To: hwhall <hwhall at compuserve.com <mailto:hwhall at compuserve.com>>;
> >> dave <dave at horsfall.org <mailto:dave at horsfall.org>>; greenkeys
> >> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
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> >> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Tip on loops
> >>
> >> It will be illegal to sell them, unless they are old stock, as it is
> >> in most of the EU and Europe. The latest rules also bans Halogen
> >> https://www.which.co.uk/news/2018/08/eu-halogen-light-bulb-ban-everyt
> >> hing-you-need-to-know/ I noticed my local “Bargain” store still had
> >> some Halogen, and “rugged use” incandescent bulbs can be had at a
> >> price
 .. but in general you are limited to LED bulbs for general
> >> purpose use
 Dave G4UGM *From:*greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
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> >> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Tip on loops Anyone hear
> >> opportunity knocking?   LOL
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >> WB4OGM
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org <mailto:dave at horsfall.org>>
> >> To: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> >> <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>>
> >> Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2019 4:47 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] [External] Tip on loops On Fri, 4 Oct 2019,
> >> Frank Carraro wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Well I guess those days are gone forever.  Where can anyone buy
> >> > incandescent lamps anymore?   Hey, I used them in animal cages to
> >> > keep newborns warm.   Yeah, I know they can be found in some stores
> >> > and especially certain special applications, but...
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, you can no longer buy them here down-under...  They're all
> >> either CFLs or LEDs.
> >>
> >> -- Dave VK2KFU
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