[GreenKeys] Another 33 on ebay

Tue Jun 25 02:57:29 EDT 2019

Hi all,

unless British Creed 7's with a 3-row keyboard, European machines always
have 4 rows,
known either as a "condensed" or "government agency" keyboard, since the
government had trained operators
to use the "special" keyboard different from a normal typewriter.
For use in normal business offices for Telex, machines are mainly equipped
with the 4-row "full size"
keyboard which has a separate key for each letter or figure. In the 1960s
machines with automatic (Speichersender = memory transmitter)
switching between the letters and figures level became popular. Originally
invented by Siemens in the 1930s
for Scandinavia to avoid switching to figures level for the special
Scandinavian "Umlaute", as in Scandinavia
there is no alternative writingof their Umlaute like we have in Germany
ä=ae, ö=oe, ü=ue.
It is a 6 byte mechanical FIFO memory device in the keyboard transmitter
unit.
Here is a very good video made of the Siemens T100S machine where you can
see how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En9z1LL41ig

Of course, when teleprinters became electronic the full size automatic
letter-figure switching keyboard
became standard, like at the FS200 and all others.

Model 32s where never used in Europe. The machines with European syle 4-row
"condensed" keyboard
that appear now from time to time might have been intended for some other
export countries.

Henning DF3OE
i-Telex 925302

www.i-telex.net
www.telexforum.de

Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 03:58 Uhr schrieb Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com
>:

> Interesting how the 5 level German FS 200Z has 4 rows, but in its case if
> you
> type a number it sends the code for that then when you type letters it
> sends the
> code for that automatically to handle the shifting behind the scenes.
>
> Peter
> kb2vtl
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 8:45 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> > It seems pretty standard in Europe for 5 level machines to have 4 rows.
> As
> > Nick said, the numbers row is locked out unless FIGS is selected first.
> >
> > I would assume that this was a M32 destined for Europe, or maybe used in
> an
> > European embassy in the US.
> >
> > So yes, a M32 can have 4 or 5 rows. The way to tell a 5 row M32 from a
> M33 is
> > the upper case characters.
> >
> > Have fun,
> >
> > Duncan
> > K2OEQ
> >
> > On 6/24/2019 16:36, Nick England wrote:
> >> OK, This is a new one on me. I always thought a M32 would only have 3
> rows. I
> >> haven't ever seen a M32 up close and personal, but I sure would like to
> know
> >> how a 4-row 5-level keyboard works. To my surprise the keyboard parts
> manual
> >> shows both a 3-row and 4-row key cover.
> >> AHA - The 32 keyboard lubrication manual shows a a 3-row keyboard -
> annnnd,
> >> wait for it - also a 4-row, 5-level keyboard with a LTRS-FIGS detent
> mechanism.
> >> So LTRS locks out the top row and FIGS locks out the QWERTY row.
> >>
> >> The 32 keyboard parts book shows the usual Q/1 key as well as Q-only
> key and
> >> 1-only keys.
> >>
> >> Well swoggle my horns!
> >> Every day is a grand day when you learn something new about Teletypes!
> >> Cheers!
> >> Nick England K4NYW
> >> www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:56 PM Ken Wiebe <me at networkguy.com
> >> <mailto:me at networkguy.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     There is also a unit with a 4-row keyboard listed as a 32. It
> >>     includes a pic of the model plate showing "32".
> >>
> >>     So correct me if I'm wrong:
> >>
> >>     All 3-row keyboards = 32
> >>     4-row keyboards = 32 or 33
> >>
> >>     The 32 I'm referring to is this one, has been listed for quite
> >>     some time:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Telex-Teletype-Machine-Model-32-7BB-Complete-and-Working-1970s/153536819435?hash=item23bf81f0eb:g:39MAAOSwJzpcn6Uz
> >>
> >>
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