[GreenKeys] period HF receivers
NNN7DXB at aol.com
NNN7DXB at aol.com
Wed May 10 02:14:04 EDT 2017
Group:
While the subjects of Industrial Designers Henry Dreyfuss and Raymond Lowey
came up, they are best known for their railroad locomotive and streamlined
passenger
trains work in the 30s and 40s, including not only design, but styling and
decor as well.
This decor not only included the outsides of the equipment, but the
internal arrangements
and appointments as well.
The 1930s were a period of extreme futuristic design that manifested itself
in what
became known as the "Art Deco" style, some of which still exists today. The
Art Deco
later gave way to the "Moderne" style.
The previous writer mentioned the Pennsylvania Railroads GG-1 electric
locomotives
which were built in the mid-1930s and lasted thru 1985, well over 50 years,
with none
ever being scrapped until retirement (and now, about a dozen are
preserved). This
engine was a Lowey design. Dreyfuss is credited with the New York Central
RRs
streamlined Hudson steam locomotives which hauled the premier train called
the "20th Century Limited" (no streamlined Hudson locomotives are
preserved).
A "Hudson" steam loco has a 4-6-4 wheel arrangement and these engines were
designed for high speed passenger service (80 mph+ sustained, faster than
most
Amtrak trains travel today!).
Pictures of both the GG-1 and Hudson loco types are attached for those who
are not aware of what they look like, or who may be interested to see them.
This assumes the pictures make it thru the group as I don't know what kind
of filters the group imposes.....
While this is a bit off of the usual Greenkeys teletype topic, it should be
noted
that the railroads, especially the Pennsylvania, which was the nations
largest
railroad at the time, were heavy, heavy users of teletype equipment.
Teletype gear
was used for everything from reservations for coach seats, sleeping car
arrangements,
car placing in yards, to freight train manifests, to include what was in
each car in
a freight train (done by computers today), as well as where each car was to
be
picked up and set out, yarded, etc. To give some idea of how large the
Pennsylvania
Railroad was, they ran 1000+ trains a day in the US in their heyday...with
about
700 of them being passenger trains in the North East, Mid West, Atlantic
states
and parts of the south (By comparison, Amtrak runs less than 150 passenger
trains
nationwide today!)..
Most of the Pennsylvania RRs teletype gear belonged to the Model 15 and
Model 19
family which were industrial workhorses at the time (and both Dreyfuss and
Lowey
missed out on streamlining those beautiful, noisy beasts!).
Aside from being a teletype and communications enthusiast, I am also a
train
enthusiast and model railroader. My 25+ years in the Army were in
Communications
Centers, which, for many years, were all teletype networks which themselves
were
the worldwide backbone of the military's messaging system (the "tape relay"
networks,
and later AUTODIN network). "Tape Relay" was the military's "Western Union"
system...
but with a thousand percent more traffic volume than WU....
Dave
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In a message dated 5/9/2017 6:30:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com writes:
Another designer of interest is John Vassos who did a lot of work for
RCA. His designs were certainly inspired by Art Deco and Streamline Moderne.
I don't know if he did any railroad work. Dreyfuss designed the barrel
bodied "Hudson" locomotives for the New York Central and Loewy designed the
famous Pennsylvania Railroad GG-1 although there is some controversy about
whether another designer had a finger in that pie. Dreyfuss designs were
the closest to "form follows function" and I think have lasted longer. This
whole subject is one of great fascination to me. So many people fail to
see the artistic value in it but I think it is often very great.
-----Original Message-----
From: NNN7DXB at aol.com
Sent: May 9, 2017 2:24 PM
To: 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] period HF receivers
Most of the Dreyfuss and Loewy designs were 1930s and "art deco".
While I don't know much about their radio and electronic names, I am very
familiar with both industrial designers names from the railroad world.
They were
the ones who designed many of the early streamlined passenger trains during
the 30s and 40s. Not only the trains themselves, but also the styling, art
work,
painting and letterng. They may have also influenced automobile designs as
well for GM.
Dave
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In a message dated 5/9/2017 4:41:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com writes:
I think the SX-42 and other Hallicrafters radios of the time were
Raymond Loewy designs. Henry Dreyfuss designed many items for Western
Electric including the familiar type 300 and 500 telephones. I think (but am
not sure) he designed the cabinets for WE broadcast transmitters. I thought
for a long time that either Dreyfuss or Loewy designed the famous WE 639
microphone but it turns out to have been Robert Marshall of WE, I found the
design patent. I have always found industrial design fascinating.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lancashire
Sent: May 9, 2017 12:21 PM
To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
Cc: greenkeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] period HF receivers
Have not done it yet but I'm going to put one of the Teletypes in the
living room. A TU and a HF receiver, something like the Hallicrafters SX-42
with its industrial design by Henry Dreyfus since it is the living room.
Since there is pretty much zip on HF now days, build a little mW
transmitter and FSK it from something off the internet.
-pete
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richard Knoppow
<_1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com_ (mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com) > wrote:
I have a kit for my R-388 but have never had time to install it. They have
an excellent reputation. My receiver has the PD and AVC mods that were
earlier. The PD works OK but the AVC is awful.
I want to ask the fellow who designed the Treetop circuit about some sort
of noise limiter that would be suitable for use with it.
On 5/8/2017 12:28 PM, Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
On 5/8/2017 2:14 PM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
Also do not forget the Collins 51J series, these are very fine
receivers. The 51J-4 has mechanical filters in it so is considerably
more expensive than the earlier versions but the earlier ones can
be used with an external SSB or RTTY adaptor which will supply
the selectivity.
I have a 51J-3. What makes the difference is have the product
detector kit installed from Tree Top Circuits.
<_http://www.ebay.com/itm/22249http://_
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/222493257886) >
They also have the kit for the R-390/390A
<_http://www.ebay.com/itm/22249http://_
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/222493260192) >
--
Richard Knoppow
_1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com_ (mailto:1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com)
WB6KBL
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