[GreenKeys] Problems with AOL and 'bulk mail' situations

Wed Jun 19 09:00:13 EDT 2013

Lets try it.  

-----Original Message-----
From: gil <gil at baudot.net>
To: WA5CAB <WA5CAB at cs.com>; greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Problems with AOL and 'bulk mail' situations

OK, so I went delving into the greenkeys admin settings again, to decipher their bounce processing algorithm, and their limits, and equations for calculating hard-bounce vs soft-bounce, and when a bounce tally becomes stale, and my head was starting to hurt.

But then I ran across an interesting thing -- I can turn bounce processing off -- so I did.  Huh.  So there mailman.

We'll see what that causes next, if anything.

gil

gil smith
greenkeys moderator
gil at baudot.net

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Problems with AOL and 'bulk mail' situations
From: WA5CAB at cs.com
Date: Tue, June 18, 2013 4:24 pm
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net

Strange thing is that I am subscribed to about half a dozen different QTH.net lists, some of which have as high a traffic count as Greenkeys.  But Greenkeys is the only one that I ever get the bounce warning message from.  Got one yesterday, in fact.  

Robert  Downs - Houston
wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
MVPA 9480

In a message dated 06/18/2013 16:13:09 PM Central Daylight Time, wd9itr at arrl.net writes: 

I found this that explains AOL and others:  http://bit.ly/11woBuX

Similar issue with Gmail:   http://bit.ly/11MPx9D

-Dave

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:49 PM, <gil at baudot.net> wrote:

Hey Ralph:

Yeah, it's a bummer that aol is so screwy.  Luckily I don't have to jump through hoops like you did, I can only say "oh well, not much I can do," and leave it up to the users to deal with it (like, get a friendlier isp).

I can re-enable bounce-disabled accounts (which takes a while) over and over, and I have set bounce trigger limits to max, but other than that I have no control over how mailman deals with the issue.

Surprisingly, it just does not seem to be an issue with other ISPs.  Ya know, my credit card companies "learn" my habits so they can spot unusual activity...

You would think that aol would know that after a user has been getting daily email from greenkeys (for months or years or a decade, sheesh), that it is ok to whitelist greenkeys and not piss off their users.  Just silly programming by inexperienced software types, I suppose.

gil

gil smith
greenkeys moderator
gil at baudot.net

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