[GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Interesting images and reading!
Bill
bill at blcain.com
Sun Jan 8 15:42:01 EST 2012
Well, guess I was right the first time. It was a KL-47. Not sure where I
got the "B" tho. The memory gets a little fuzzy after awhile.
Bill Cain
On 1/7/2012 8:36 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
> Going on the information of Dirk Rijmenants and other locations on
> "the intertubes", the KL-47 was the name for a KL-7 with attached
> five-level reader/punch. The straight-up KL-7 did print to tape though.
>
> Speaking of Dirk Rijmenants and his page, you can find it here:
> http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/ Where you can also find a nice
> simulator of the KL-7, as well as pages on aforementioned numbers
> stations, OTP, a simulator of the German Enigma, the US M-209, the
> Hagelin CX-52, and more.
>
> Christian
>
>
>
> On 7 January 2012 22:31, Bill <bill at blcain.com
> <mailto:bill at blcain.com>> wrote:
>
> Some correction here....I guess it was called a KL-7 - not 47. It
> did not punch the tape but printed on it. But I still seem to
> remember it punching tape so you could xmit it and for some reason
> I recall a tape reader also. It would read the tape and print out
> the results.
> It was "fun" copying those code groups over CW!
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 1/7/2012 6:54 PM, Bill wrote:
>> In the Navy, we used a KLB-47 crypto machine to produce this code
>> and to decypher them. It used rotating drums that were set up
>> with the code for the message. Can't remember if it was using the
>> date-time-group or the first line of the message or both. (been a
>> looooong time!) I remember that it took some time to type in the
>> 5 letter code groups...you had to be real accurate...the 47 would
>> then punch a tape and you would have to run it off on an ASR to
>> get a copy. Then you had to type it onto a message form for
>> distro. What a pain! If you typed the groups in wrong...guess
>> what?...had to type them in again. Sometimes it was very easy to
>> get lost as to where you were in the message. One knock on the
>> crypto room door and you almost always had to start over. What a
>> blessing when we switched over to covered broadcast. No more 47's.
>>
>> Bill Cain
>>
>> On 1/7/2012 6:26 PM, DR HOUSE wrote:
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> Five letter code groups were used by just about everyone. One
>>> reason was they got the maximum amount of information across
>>> public telegraph networks at the lowest possible cost. The
>>> second reason was that the code groups were meaningless unless
>>> you had a current decode table.
>>> Industry used this as well as the military. One of the most
>>> successful espionage efforts in history was the long standing
>>> VENONA operation the Soviet Union used from the 30s to the 70s
>>> for their spies to send secret messages to Moscow. A British
>>> intelligence officer and an American mathematician who could
>>> think in Russian figured it out or they might still be using it
>>> today. If you get a chance to see SECRETS, LIES, AND ATOMIC
>>> SPIES on PBS NOVA watch it. Our museum helped produce the
>>> segment. If you watch closely you can see my fingers on a M14
>>> strip printer and our executive director's stomach next to an
>>> IBM card sorter. I have a first generation VHS tape sent to me
>>> by the director that I need to convert to DVD before the tape
>>> turns to noise. There is also a good book The VENONA PAPERS
>>> published by REGNERY
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Don
>>> aka TTY MAN
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 Jan 2012, at 7:32 PM, Robert Laag wrote:
>>>
>>> THIS BRINGS UP A SUBJECT FROM THE PAST...YEARS AGO THERE WERE
>>> MANY STRONG STATION HEAR HERE ON THE SHORT WAVE FREQS THAT
>>> SEEMED TO BE MESSAGE STATIONS... THEY WOULD TRANSMIT A HEADER
>>> IN PLAIN TEXT AND FOR THE MESSAGE CONTENTS IT WOULD BE 5 OR 6
>>> NUMBER UPPER CASE GROUPS SEPARATED BY SPACES FOR THE DURATION OF
>>> THE MESSAGE... LIKE, 65834 48390 66173 19785 AND SO ON...
>>> ANYWAY, THEN HOW DID THE MESSAGE GET UNSCRAMBLED I WONDER??? BOB
>>>
>>> --- On *Sat, 1/7/12, DR HOUSE /<k9tty at dls.net
>>> <mailto:k9tty at dls.net>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net <mailto:k9tty at dls.net>>
>>> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: Interesting images and reading!
>>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <mailto:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Date: Saturday, January 7, 2012, 4:37 PM
>>>
>>> My thanks to Christian for this information...
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com
>>> <http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>> Date: 7 January 2012 5:59:47 PM CST
>>> To: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net
>>> <http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Interesting images and reading!
>>>
>>> Jerry Proc's site is quite the interesting read, I've
>>> browsed it many
>>> a time. It's a great reference for various crypto systems.
>>> If any one
>>> else is interested, John Savard has a good set of pages in his
>>> cryptographic compendium on telecipher machines:
>>>
>>> http://www.quadibloc.com/crypto/tele03.htm
>>>
>>> On 7 January 2012 17:21, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net
>>> <http://mc/[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > <http://jproc.ca/crypto/rockex.html>
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