[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 16
Jonathan B. O'Rear
jonkd4mpw at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 10 20:56:33 EDT 2011
Let me reword my previous email. I am actually looking for a machine in working order that Would be good for amateur ham radio use. I have extremely limited funds but would love to own one and give it a wonderful home. Thank you friends.
Jonathan B. O'Rear / KD4MPW - AAR4SA
AT&T
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> 1. Re: KSR-33 Restoration - Good News, and Bad News (Gordon Smith)
> 2. Re: 33 Typing Unit Restoration... (DR HOUSE)
> 3. Hello Friends Teletype ASR 33 Needed (Jonathan ORear)
> 4. Re: Hello Friends Teletype ASR 33 Needed (epvgk at limpoc.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:56:33 -0700
> From: Gordon Smith <gfsmith at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] KSR-33 Restoration - Good News, and Bad News
> To: Roy Morgan <k1lky at earthlink.net>, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
> <captainkirk359 at gmail.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> Last Step: Rinse with distilled water afterwards to remove slight
> salts/minerals of tap water.
>
> Gordon KJ6IKT
>
> At 12:38 AM 6/10/2011, Roy Morgan wrote:
>
>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
>>> Bad news: My KSR-33 has become a total, complete write-off. ...And
>>> slightly biohazardous....the sewer backed up,
>>
>> Put on rubber gloves.
>>
>> Wrestle machine to yard near hose faucet.
>>
>> Mix 409 and household ammonia 50-50 and put in spray bottle.
>>
>> Spray machine from safe distance, let soak for 10 minutes.
>>
>> Rinse biohazard off with hose.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> Roy Morgan
>> k1lky at earthlink.net
>> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:59:10 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 33 Typing Unit Restoration...
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> DRY WELL - Oil it - Grease it - and CLEAN the "begeebers" out of the
> selector mechanism.
>
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
> On 10 Jun 2011, at 12:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>
> Last Step: Rinse with distilled water afterwards to remove slight
> salts/minerals of tap water.
>
> Gordon KJ6IKT
>
> At 12:38 AM 6/10/2011, Roy Morgan wrote:
>
>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
>>> Bad news: My KSR-33 has become a total, complete write-off. ...And
>>> slightly biohazardous....the sewer backed up,
>>
>> Put on rubber gloves.
>>
>> Wrestle machine to yard near hose faucet.
>>
>> Mix 409 and household ammonia 50-50 and put in spray bottle.
>>
>> Spray machine from safe distance, let soak for 10 minutes.
>>
>> Rinse biohazard off with hose.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> Roy Morgan
>> k1lky at earthlink.net
>> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>
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> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jonathan ORear <jonkd4mpw at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Hello Friends Teletype ASR 33 Needed
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> Hello friends.? I am new to the group and new to RTTY?Teletype.? I am proud to
> be part of this group and look forward to learning a lot.??I have been an
> amateur/ham radio operator for 20 years.? I am currently looking for all the
> advice and learnings I can get about amateur radio and Teletype machines and how
> to use them together.? I am currently looking for a Teletype ASR 33.? I have
> extremely limited funds but can pay shipping.? I?look forward to talking with
> you all and learning from you.? Thank you.
>
> Jonathan?
>
>
> AMATEUR/HAM RADIO COMMUNICATIONS OPERATOR / GENERAL CLASS LICENSED
> KD4MPW
>
> AAR4SA
>
> MILITARY AUXILIARY RADIO SYSTEM (MARS)
> ASSISTANT DEPUTY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS OFFICER / NORTH ALABAMA
>
> UNITED STATES ARMY MARS REGION 4 (ALABAMA)?
>
>
> NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE (HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA) SEVERE STORM SPOTTER / ADVANCED
> LEVEL
>
>
>
> E-MAIL: jonkd4mpw at yahoo.com
>
> WHILE ENJOYING?THE WONDERFUL HOBBY OF AMATEUR RADIO, I OFTEN ASK MYSELF, DO I
> WANT TO LISTEN TO SHORTWAVE RADIO.....OR DO I WANT TO CREATE IT?
>
> JONATHAN B. O'REAR? 2010
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> ? 1. Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 14 (John Nagle)
> ? 2. Re: Model 11 Teletype (Pete Lancashire)
> ? 3. kleinschmidt/SCM 311 (Pete Lancashire)
> ? 4. Re: Model 11 Teletype (DR HOUSE)
> ? 5. Re: Interesting image... (Pete Lancashire)
> ? 6. Model 35 Answer Back (Larry Tighe)
> ? 7. Fwd: MY message to GreenKeys awaits moderator??? approval..!
> ? ? ? (DR HOUSE)
> ? 8. The TTY Corp NYSE "900" Ticker (DR HOUSE)
> ? 9. Re: KSR-33 Restoration - Good News, and Bad News (Roy Morgan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:05:52 -0700
> From: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 14
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> On 6/9/2011 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> If you're wondering how my KSR-33 became a biohazardous write off...
>> well the sewer backed up, and turned my lovely, clean basement - and
>> place I had the teletype - into a wonderful location full of... well
>> what normally goes down the sewer. So, after stewing in wetness,
>> and... ahem... for the weekend (because I was not at home on the
>> weekend) the KSR-33 is now quite damaged beyond repair. Well, it could
>> technically still be repaired if you want to completely strip it down
>> to the bare parts and then soak it all in industrial solvent for a
>> week; mostly because - again - the '33 was literally covered in...
>> ahem... for two days, and the stuff is bloody*everywhere*.
>
> ? ? Once you've dealt with the basement cleanup, cleaning up the
> machine is routine, although annoying.
>
> ? ? First step is a hose-down.? Ideally this should be done with
> distilled or de-ionized water, but you can probably do a first
> washdown with tap water.? Do this until you're getting clear
> water out.? The electronics can survive this, although it's
> not good for paper insulation.? (How much paper insulation
> does a Model 33 have?? I vaguely recall some cardboard.
> Is there any paper inside the motor?)? That may have to be
> replaced later.? You may also lose the loudspeaker, if
> you have a unit with a built-in modem.
>
> ? ? Before the tap water evaporates and leaves behind iron and
> solids, wash with distilled or de-ionized water (any big
> grocery store has it) mixed with some Simple Green.? Or,
> if necessary, undiluted Simple Green.? Then
> rinse with distilled or de-ionized water, and finally let
> the thing dry completely.
>
> ? ? In electronics manufacturing, one of the last steps in board
> manufacture, after assembly and soldering, is a pass through
> a dishwasher-like unit.? Pure water is OK.? Detergents are
> OK.? Water with iron content is not OK; it leaves behind
> conductive rust streaks that short things out.
>
> ??? ??? ??? ??? John Nagle
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:32:01 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 11 Teletype
> To: greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=u2je8atTN9Lki=uz5dHQJL3BJfg at mail.gmail.com>
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> any known to survive ?
>
> -pete
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:48:16 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] kleinschmidt/SCM 311
> To: greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTincMX_hy5c01GmrrOPOamCnscCd0w at mail.gmail.com>
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> Does anyone have one of these ? Someday like to have one but for now like to see
> a video with sound of one running.
>
> -pete
>
> PS in the 70's at one of the East coast ham swaps, Gaithersburg ?
> There was a seller
> with about a dozen of these things.
>
> PPS I've just got the manual, would anyone be interested in? it being
> scanned? and put online ?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:49:35 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 11 Teletype
> To: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <538764FB-5435-4559-B16F-7A169016738C at gmail.com>
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> At least one is in the Smithsonian
>
> Do not know of any others.
>
> Don
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2011, at 12:32 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>
> any known to survive ?
>
> -pete
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:58:05 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Interesting image...
> To: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net>, greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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> Sure looks like a 28/35 type block in there .. !!!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:48 AM, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>
>> What is the model and year?
>>
>> A prototype or an actual deployed product?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:02:33 -0400
> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 Answer Back
> To: "Greenkeys Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <974236CE61634165B7D45043F7878219 at d2400>
> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Howdy Folks,
>
> My Model 35 Answer Back refuses to stop turning when called by another machine.?
> I'm not sure if I set up the wheel correctly....Is it supposed to be on the "ST"
> position when it's stopped or, is that a start position.....IOW, what does ST
> stand for on the wheel?
>
> Is this supposed to be aligned with the cam that kicks out the clutch solenoid??
> Something is keeping the solenoid up and the clutch continues engaged...after a
> while, the clutch solenoid will deactivate and the unit stops.
>
> Any thoughts are sure appreciated.
>
> lar
> K2JIA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:55:37 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: MY message to GreenKeys awaits moderator
> ??? approval..!
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net>
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> First time I am aware of this limitation.
>
> Technology goes ahead and Greenkeys goes backwards.
>
> Dumb in my opinion.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
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> Date: 9 June 2011 7:48:37 PM CDT
> To: k9tty at dls.net
> Subject: Your message to GreenKeys awaits moderator approval
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> Your mail to 'GreenKeys' with the subject
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> ? ? Fwd: Re: Interesting image...? Stock Ticker
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> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:34:12 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] The TTY Corp NYSE "900" Ticker
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <A6FECBCD-EA45-4981-B2E6-5BC6A73CA28C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Here is some nice information on the last Teletype Ticker.
> I sent an image of the 288B earlier which WUTCo called the 900.
> The principles of operation are described by Jerry Murphy who
> owned one of these.? I remember Jack Hart mentioning that he
> thought it should have been called a 37 Tape Printer as the
> mechanism is more like a 37 than a 28.? I suppose the character
> set was the reason since the 37 was ASCII. I think 29 would have
> been okay even if it had been used by other 6 level machines.
>
> THANK YOU JERRY!!!!
> 73,
> Don
>
> Anyone who did not get the image, reply off list and I will send
> it to you.
>
>
>
> Hi Don:
>
> This was a production model that was introduced in July, 1964
> if we go by the date on the original manual.? The Technical
> manual for the ticker was 288B.? Its title was "Technical Manual,
> 28 Tape Printer Set, (Stock Ticker).? The Parts manual was 1194B
> and its title was "Parts, Teletype Tape Printer Set For Stock
> Ticker Service."? I worked for Western Union in 1966 and it was
> called "the 900" because it printed at 900 characters per minute.
> It was only used on New York Stock Exchange ticker service.? All
> of the other exchanges still used the 5A.? The 900 ticker was
> gone from service by the end of the 60s.? It was too slow and
> was replaced by electronic devices.
>
> The ticker consisted of the following:
> LP112TE typing unit? -? no stunt box
> LB33 base
> LMU42 motor? -? the motor turned in the opposite direction of a
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? regular M28 motor.
> LPC212HF cover
>
> The ticker received 6 level code sent in a 9 bit format at 135
> bits per second.? The mainshaft rotated at 514 RPM.? Three of the
> clutches (selector, code bar and function) were of the 2 stop type.
> All of the remaining clutches were 1 stop but acted like 2 stop
> because of a clever design of sliding trip levers.? The idea of 1
> stop clutches acting like 2 stop clutches was also seen in the
> Model 37 printer.
>
> Here's a link to the parts book for this ticker:
> ? http://hertzmail.com/TTY/TeletypeManuals/Model28/1194B.pdf
>
> That manual is courtesy of Eugene Hertz.? I have a slightly newer
> parts book and the Technical Manual.? The machine that I had -
> the one in your picture - was sold to a fellow in Miami sometime
> in the 90s.
>
> Regards,? Jerry Murphy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:38:26 -0400
> From: Roy Morgan <k1lky at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] KSR-33 Restoration - Good News, and Bad News
> To: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <860D2730-3AFB-40EE-B82C-45739A73A174 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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>
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
>> Bad news: My KSR-33 has become a total, complete write-off. ...And
>> slightly biohazardous....the sewer backed up,
>
> Put on rubber gloves.
>
> Wrestle machine to yard near hose faucet.
>
> Mix 409 and household ammonia 50-50 and put in spray bottle.
>
> Spray machine from safe distance, let soak for 10 minutes.
>
> Rinse biohazard off with hose.
>
> Roy
>
>
> Roy Morgan
> k1lky at earthlink.net
> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>
>
>
>
>
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> End of GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:20:39 -0700
> From: epvgk at limpoc.com
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hello Friends Teletype ASR 33 Needed
> To: Jonathan ORear <jonkd4mpw at yahoo.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20110610232039.GA7694 at limpoc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 04:10:43PM -0700, Jonathan ORear wrote:
>> Hello friends.? I am new to the group and new to RTTY?Teletype.? I am proud to
>> be part of this group and look forward to learning a lot.??I have been an
>> amateur/ham radio operator for 20 years.? I am currently looking for all the
>> advice and learnings I can get about amateur radio and Teletype machines and how
>> to use them together.? I am currently looking for a Teletype ASR 33.? I have
>> extremely limited funds but can pay shipping.? I?look forward to talking with
>> you all and learning from you.? Thank you.
>>
>> Jonathan?
>
> I believe most people who are doing amateur RTTY are using 5-bit, 45.45 baud
> machines such as the model 15 and 28 and others, rather than the 110 baud, 7
> bit machines like the ASR33, simply because the vast majority of amateur RTTY
> is at 45.45 baud, 5 bit Baudot code. Of course, the majority of amateur RTTY
> operators are not using Teletype machines at all, but rather computers.
> This isn't to say that you couldn't convert between the ASR33's 110 baud, 7 bit
> code and the usual amateur RTTY code, but it might be easier to look for a
> machine that speaks it natively.
>
> eric
>
>>
>>
>> AMATEUR/HAM RADIO COMMUNICATIONS OPERATOR / GENERAL CLASS LICENSED
>> KD4MPW
>>
>> AAR4SA
>>
>> MILITARY AUXILIARY RADIO SYSTEM (MARS)
>> ASSISTANT DEPUTY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS OFFICER / NORTH ALABAMA
>>
>> UNITED STATES ARMY MARS REGION 4 (ALABAMA)?
>>
>>
>> NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE (HUNTSVILLE, ALABAMA) SEVERE STORM SPOTTER / ADVANCED
>> LEVEL
>>
>>
>>
>> E-MAIL: jonkd4mpw at yahoo.com
>>
>> WHILE ENJOYING?THE WONDERFUL HOBBY OF AMATEUR RADIO, I OFTEN ASK MYSELF, DO I
>> WANT TO LISTEN TO SHORTWAVE RADIO.....OR DO I WANT TO CREATE IT?
>>
>> JONATHAN B. O'REAR? 2010
>>
>>
>> Latitude: 34.866627 (34? 51' 59'' N)
>> Longitude: -86.569504 (86? 34' 10'' W)
>> Grid Square: EM64ru
>> US State: Alabama
>> US County: Madison
>>
>> GMT Offset
>> - 6 Hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net>
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 11:01:07 AM
>> Subject: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> ? 1. Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 14 (John Nagle)
>> ? 2. Re: Model 11 Teletype (Pete Lancashire)
>> ? 3. kleinschmidt/SCM 311 (Pete Lancashire)
>> ? 4. Re: Model 11 Teletype (DR HOUSE)
>> ? 5. Re: Interesting image... (Pete Lancashire)
>> ? 6. Model 35 Answer Back (Larry Tighe)
>> ? 7. Fwd: MY message to GreenKeys awaits moderator??? approval..!
>> ? ? ? (DR HOUSE)
>> ? 8. The TTY Corp NYSE "900" Ticker (DR HOUSE)
>> ? 9. Re: KSR-33 Restoration - Good News, and Bad News (Roy Morgan)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:05:52 -0700
>> From: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 89, Issue 14
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <4DF0FD70.1030208 at animats.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>> On 6/9/2011 9:01 AM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>> If you're wondering how my KSR-33 became a biohazardous write off...
>>> well the sewer backed up, and turned my lovely, clean basement - and
>>> place I had the teletype - into a wonderful location full of... well
>>> what normally goes down the sewer. So, after stewing in wetness,
>>> and... ahem... for the weekend (because I was not at home on the
>>> weekend) the KSR-33 is now quite damaged beyond repair. Well, it could
>>> technically still be repaired if you want to completely strip it down
>>> to the bare parts and then soak it all in industrial solvent for a
>>> week; mostly because - again - the '33 was literally covered in...
>>> ahem... for two days, and the stuff is bloody*everywhere*.
>>
>> ? ? Once you've dealt with the basement cleanup, cleaning up the
>> machine is routine, although annoying.
>>
>> ? ? First step is a hose-down.? Ideally this should be done with
>> distilled or de-ionized water, but you can probably do a first
>> washdown with tap water.? Do this until you're getting clear
>> water out.? The electronics can survive this, although it's
>> not good for paper insulation.? (How much paper insulation
>> does a Model 33 have?? I vaguely recall some cardboard.
>> Is there any paper inside the motor?)? That may have to be
>> replaced later.? You may also lose the loudspeaker, if
>> you have a unit with a built-in modem.
>>
>> ? ? Before the tap water evaporates and leaves behind iron and
>> solids, wash with distilled or de-ionized water (any big
>> grocery store has it) mixed with some Simple Green.? Or,
>> if necessary, undiluted Simple Green.? Then
>> rinse with distilled or de-ionized water, and finally let
>> the thing dry completely.
>>
>> ? ? In electronics manufacturing, one of the last steps in board
>> manufacture, after assembly and soldering, is a pass through
>> a dishwasher-like unit.? Pure water is OK.? Detergents are
>> OK.? Water with iron content is not OK; it leaves behind
>> conductive rust streaks that short things out.
>>
>> ??? ??? ??? ??? John Nagle
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:32:01 -0700
>> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 11 Teletype
>> To: greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=u2je8atTN9Lki=uz5dHQJL3BJfg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> any known to survive ?
>>
>> -pete
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:48:16 -0700
>> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] kleinschmidt/SCM 311
>> To: greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTincMX_hy5c01GmrrOPOamCnscCd0w at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Does anyone have one of these ? Someday like to have one but for now like to see
>> a video with sound of one running.
>>
>> -pete
>>
>> PS in the 70's at one of the East coast ham swaps, Gaithersburg ?
>> There was a seller
>> with about a dozen of these things.
>>
>> PPS I've just got the manual, would anyone be interested in? it being
>> scanned? and put online ?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:49:35 -0500
>> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 11 Teletype
>> To: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
>> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <538764FB-5435-4559-B16F-7A169016738C at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>> At least one is in the Smithsonian
>>
>> Do not know of any others.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2011, at 12:32 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>>
>> any known to survive ?
>>
>> -pete
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:58:05 -0700
>> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Interesting image...
>> To: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net>, greenkeys <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTinBpSJmCPzDFXpBoV+0=YMso9K_sQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Sure looks like a 28/35 type block in there .. !!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:48 AM, DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the model and year?
>>>
>>> A prototype or an actual deployed product?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 18:02:33 -0400
>> From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at att.net>
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] Model 35 Answer Back
>> To: "Greenkeys Greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Message-ID: <974236CE61634165B7D45043F7878219 at d2400>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Howdy Folks,
>>
>> My Model 35 Answer Back refuses to stop turning when called by another machine.?
>> I'm not sure if I set up the wheel correctly....Is it supposed to be on the "ST"
>> position when it's stopped or, is that a start position.....IOW, what does ST
>> stand for on the wheel?
>>
>> Is this supposed to be aligned with the cam that kicks out the clutch solenoid??
>> Something is keeping the solenoid up and the clutch continues engaged...after a
>> while, the clutch solenoid will deactivate and the unit stops.
>>
>> Any thoughts are sure appreciated.
>>
>> lar
>> K2JIA
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:55:37 -0500
>> From: DR HOUSE <k9tty at dls.net>
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: MY message to GreenKeys awaits moderator
>> ??? approval..!
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Cc: Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net>
>> Message-ID: <C8FE461B-6608-4720-BB1D-D69D92962842 at dls.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>> First time I am aware of this limitation.
>>
>> Technology goes ahead and Greenkeys goes backwards.
>>
>> Dumb in my opinion.
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: 9 June 2011 7:48:37 PM CDT
>> To: k9tty at dls.net
>> Subject: Your message to GreenKeys awaits moderator approval
>>
>> Your mail to 'GreenKeys' with the subject
>>
>> ? ? Fwd: Re: Interesting image...? Stock Ticker
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>> ? ? Message body is too big: 613809 bytes with a limit of 200 KB
>>
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
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>>
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:34:12 -0500
>> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] The TTY Corp NYSE "900" Ticker
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <A6FECBCD-EA45-4981-B2E6-5BC6A73CA28C at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>> Here is some nice information on the last Teletype Ticker.
>> I sent an image of the 288B earlier which WUTCo called the 900.
>> The principles of operation are described by Jerry Murphy who
>> owned one of these.? I remember Jack Hart mentioning that he
>> thought it should have been called a 37 Tape Printer as the
>> mechanism is more like a 37 than a 28.? I suppose the character
>> set was the reason since the 37 was ASCII. I think 29 would have
>> been okay even if it had been used by other 6 level machines.
>>
>> THANK YOU JERRY!!!!
>> 73,
>> Don
>>
>> Anyone who did not get the image, reply off list and I will send
>> it to you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Don:
>>
>> This was a production model that was introduced in July, 1964
>> if we go by the date on the original manual.? The Technical
>> manual for the ticker was 288B.? Its title was "Technical Manual,
>> 28 Tape Printer Set, (Stock Ticker).? The Parts manual was 1194B
>> and its title was "Parts, Teletype Tape Printer Set For Stock
>> Ticker Service."? I worked for Western Union in 1966 and it was
>> called "the 900" because it printed at 900 characters per minute.
>> It was only used on New York Stock Exchange ticker service.? All
>> of the other exchanges still used the 5A.? The 900 ticker was
>> gone from service by the end of the 60s.? It was too slow and
>> was replaced by electronic devices.
>>
>> The ticker consisted of the following:
>> LP112TE typing unit? -? no stunt box
>> LB33 base
>> LMU42 motor? -? the motor turned in the opposite direction of a
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? regular M28 motor.
>> LPC212HF cover
>>
>> The ticker received 6 level code sent in a 9 bit format at 135
>> bits per second.? The mainshaft rotated at 514 RPM.? Three of the
>> clutches (selector, code bar and function) were of the 2 stop type.
>> All of the remaining clutches were 1 stop but acted like 2 stop
>> because of a clever design of sliding trip levers.? The idea of 1
>> stop clutches acting like 2 stop clutches was also seen in the
>> Model 37 printer.
>>
>> Here's a link to the parts book for this ticker:
>> ? http://hertzmail.com/TTY/TeletypeManuals/Model28/1194B.pdf
>>
>> That manual is courtesy of Eugene Hertz.? I have a slightly newer
>> parts book and the Technical Manual.? The machine that I had -
>> the one in your picture - was sold to a fellow in Miami sometime
>> in the 90s.
>>
>> Regards,? Jerry Murphy
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:38:26 -0400
>> From: Roy Morgan <k1lky at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] KSR-33 Restoration - Good News, and Bad News
>> To: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <860D2730-3AFB-40EE-B82C-45739A73A174 at earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
>>> Bad news: My KSR-33 has become a total, complete write-off. ...And
>>> slightly biohazardous....the sewer backed up,
>>
>> Put on rubber gloves.
>>
>> Wrestle machine to yard near hose faucet.
>>
>> Mix 409 and household ammonia 50-50 and put in spray bottle.
>>
>> Spray machine from safe distance, let soak for 10 minutes.
>>
>> Rinse biohazard off with hose.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> Roy Morgan
>> k1lky at earthlink.net
>> K1LKY Since 1958 - Keep 'em Glowing!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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