[GreenKeys] Model 28 keys

Tue Jul 19 22:34:01 EDT 2011

IF YOU HAVE STEADY HANDS!

Hi hi

On 19 Jul 2011, at 7:23 PM, Jack wrote:

Here's how to do it...

Lean all of the keys towards the back (they are still attached to
their levers).
Hold the plastic key plate vertically off the front edge of the bottom
of the keyboard
frame with the top tilted slightly back to yourself.
Starting from the bottom row, tilt the keys into their holes. Hold the
plate up a little more vertically and repeat with the next row, and so
on. By the time you are putting the Red keys in place, all of the
green keys are captive.
Works every time, and only takes about a minute.

73 DE K0TTY

NNNN

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Buda
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:14 PM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 90, Issue 23

Putting the model 28 KSR keyboard back together again.
Gee, I never pulled that piece of the keyboard with all the holes in
it for
the keys.  I can see the problem if I had done so.  I'm afraid the
best way
without growing more hands and fingers is to remove all the keys, put
the
piece of bakelite back on the housing and then reinstall each key one
at a
time.  Lots of work, yes, but that is probably less work than growing
more
hands and fingers.  Good lesson for the rest of us!
Gary
WA0NDN
NNNN

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>   3. Re: Hughes Printing Telegraph (John Nagle)
>   4. Re: Hughes Printing Telegraph (Sam Hallas)
>   5. Re: Hughes Printing Telegraph (Henning Treumann)
>   6. TTY Road Trip (Steve Garrison)
>   7. M28 tape printer (Rokumon Cat)
>   8. Re: 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly (Jim Haynes)
>   9. Re: Hughes Printing Telegraph (W2HX)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:50:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: WA5CAB at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> A Pentel-size (about 1/8" dia.) eraser stuffed into the end of a
piece of
> tubing might work better than a wire as it won't tend to slide on
the
> keytops (won't scratch them, either).  I had to do something similar
once
> but don't think it involved keytops.
>
> In a message dated 2011-07-18 22:46:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
>
> YoungFamily at glwb.net writes:
>> Happened to me with my M28 Skintight... patience, patience,
patience and
>> some appropriate length wires to nudge balky keys back in the
hole. I
>> think
>> I started at the top row and worked downward. Good luck
>>
>> 73 Jim W8MAQ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Keelan
Lightfoot
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:05 PM
>> To: Greenkeys
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly
>>
>>
>> In a moment of brilliance, I removed the bakelite top on the
keyboard on
>> my
>> 28 KSR so that I could remove and clean the keys. After doing
that, I
>> realized that unless I grew a few more arms and fingers, it would
not go
>> back together the way it came apart.
>>
>> Is there a knack to doing this?
>>
>> - Keelan
>
> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:07:45 -0400
> From: "James Young" <YoungFamily at glwb.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <BNEKLEFHNFCKPHNGGMHIGEIFCPAA.YoungFamily at glwb.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Well, I used the wires to steer the keytops from the side, beneath
the
> plastic.. no scratching of anything involved.
>
> 73 Jim W8MAQ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of WA5CAB at cs.com
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:51 PM
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly
>
>
> A Pentel-size (about 1/8" dia.) eraser stuffed into the end of a
piece of
> tubing might work better than a wire as it won't tend to slide on
the
> keytops
> (won't scratch them, either).  I had to do something similar once
but don't
> think it involved keytops.
>
> In a message dated 2011-07-18 22:46:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
>
> YoungFamily at glwb.net writes:
>> Happened to me with my M28 Skintight... patience, patience,
patience and
>> some appropriate length wires to nudge balky keys back in the
hole. I
>> think
>> I started at the top row and worked downward. Good luck
>>
>> 73 Jim W8MAQ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Keelan
Lightfoot
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:05 PM
>> To: Greenkeys
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly
>>
>>
>> In a moment of brilliance, I removed the bakelite top on the
keyboard on
>> my
>> 28 KSR so that I could remove and clean the keys. After doing
that, I
>> realized that unless I grew a few more arms and fingers, it would
not go
>> back together the way it came apart.
>>
>> Is there a knack to doing this?
>>
>> - Keelan
>
> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:34:17 -0700
> From: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hughes Printing Telegraph
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4E250949.9060004 at animats.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> On 7/18/2011 8:46 PM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> From:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W2HX
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:49 PM
>> To:greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> Here are more pictures.  I have a basic understanding of how the
machine
>> works having played with it for several hours today.  Also, I
found the
>> following document that describes EXACTLY this machine.  Even the
photo
>> (fig. 1) is my machine exactly. There was some discussion back
when the
>> machine first surfaced whether or not this was a Hughes, Siemens
or
>> Groos& Graf (Gross&  Graf).  I am convinced this is a Hughes based
on
>> this PDF.  I will add that I believe Groos and Graf were contract
>> manufacturers probably building this for Hughes. Siemens did
create an
>> improvement over the weight driven Hughes system using a motor (46
VDC)
>> and the regulator (governor) tower and some other improvements
which is
>> why their name is shown on the regulator tower. (From The
Worldwide
>> History of Telecommunications By Anton A. Huurdeman)
>>
>> Although I didn't post any pictures, it is clear that my unit was
once
>> weight driven but had been converted at some time.  On the cast
iron
>> base, there is a pivot for the pedal (to pull up the weight
again). Also
>> there are large holes in the ebonized base to allow for the rope?
Cable?
>> to feed through.
>
>    That is a beautiful machine, and I'm glad someone in the
Teletype
> community has it.
>
>    Some machines could be either weight driven or electrically
driven,
> having both the chain sprocket and the motor.   It looks like yours
has
> the machinery for both motor and weight drive, but not the weights,
> pedal, or ladder chain.  Compare a motor drive only machine
> (http://www.telegraphlore.com/fons_images/Page_2/HUGHES.jpg)
> which lacks all those big sprockets and heavy reduction gearing.
>
>    If the insulation has held up in the motor and electromagnet, it
> should be possible to get the machine running.
>
>    What's the width of the paper tape?
>
> 					John Nagle
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:50:08 +0100
> From: Sam Hallas <s.hallas at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hughes Printing Telegraph
> To: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <4E252920.4010504 at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> W2HX wrote:
>> Oops. A url got cut off..
>
>
<http://www.w2hx.com/x/Hughes%20Printing%20Telegraph/b5_hughes_printin
g_tel
> eraph.pdf>
>
> Eugene,
> I was wondering why you didn't link to the source on my web site;
>
<http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/b5_hughes_printing_te
legra
> ph.pdf>
>
> Did we ever determine whether this unit was from Fons vanden
Berghen's
> colection? He was enigmatic when I emailed him with the question.
For
> instance:
> <http://www.telegraphsofeurope.net/page141.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:19:15 +0200
> From: Henning Treumann <df3oe.henning at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hughes Printing Telegraph
> To: w2hx at w2hx.com
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
>
<CAGcpztgrdCdCGNJ=CpOiDCZDC0cGurRcgUxrDJ3AcYVe5NwtnA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> VERY NICE Machine. The only ones I know are in the German
communications
> museum. They have a few of them. Both weight driven as well as motor
> driven. A few years ago I visited their depot/archive and took some
> photographs of them.
> If you are interested I can provide them.
>
> I have a couple of telegrams in my collection that are supposed to
be
> printed
> with this kind of machine. (around 1900 - 1920).
> The paper tape is about 10mm wide as I recall. Can measure it
exactly
> later.
>
>
> 73,
> Henning  DF3OE
>
>
>
>
> 2011/7/19 W2HX <w2hx at w2hx.com>
>
>> Here are more pictures.  I have a basic understanding of how the
machine
>> works having played with it for several hours today.  Also, I
found the
>> following document that describes EXACTLY this machine.  Even the
photo
>> (fig. 1) is my machine exactly. There was some discussion back
when the
>> machine first surfaced whether or not this was a Hughes, Siemens
or Groos
>> & Graf (Gross & Graf).  I am convinced this is a Hughes based on
this
>> PDF.  I will add that I believe Groos and Graf were contract
>> manufacturers probably building this for Hughes. Siemens did
create an
>> improvement over the weight driven Hughes system using a motor (46
VDC)
>> and the regulator (governor) tower and some other improvements
which is
>> why their name is shown on the regulator tower. (From The
Worldwide
>> History of Telecommunications By Anton A. Huurdeman)
>>
>> Although I didn't post any pictures, it is clear that my unit was
once
>> weight driven but had been converted at some time.  On the cast
iron
>> base, there is a pivot for the pedal (to pull up the weight
again). Also
>> there are
>> large holes in the ebonized base to allow for the rope? Cable? to
feed
>> through.
>>
>> More to come!
>>
>> Document describing this unit (to a "T")
>>
>>
http://www.w2hx.com/x/Hughes%20Printing%20Telegraph/b5_hughes_printing
_te
>> leg
>>
raph.pdf<http://www.w2hx.com/x/Hughes%20Printing%20Telegraph/b5_hughes
_pr
>> inting_teleg%0Araph.pdf>
>>
>> more photos of it set up in the home.
>> http://www.w2hx.com/x/Hughes%20Printing%20Telegraph/
>>
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W2HX
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:28 PM
>> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Cc: 'Rolf Wasserman'; 'Michael Kusiak Jr'
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] Hughes Printing Telegraph
>>
>> Hi all, I wanted to thank John Nagle for pointing out that Hughes
>> printing telegraph that was on auction in Germany.  I was able to
>> negotiate with the auction house after it failed to bring the
opening
>> bid.  It has arrived today and it is now on the driveway in the
crate as
>> I slowly and carefully unpack it.
>>
>> So far, I have only taken out the regulator tower (an enhancement
>> designed by Siemens for use with an electric motor (governor
>> essentially)). Take a look at some photos. The first few are
pictures
>> from the auction site. Then some of the crate.  The best part is a
video
>> showing how easily the regulator tower spins as if it were
manufactured
>> yesterday! Really incredible. I'll post more as I uncrate more!
>>
>> http://www.w2hx.com/x/Hughes%20Printing%20Telegraph/
>>
>>
>> 73 Eugene W2HX
>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:39:41 -0400
> From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4seg at gmail.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY Road Trip
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <0BAEB38F-3A5E-4BE7-960F-302480A1FF21 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Day four was completed without picking up a single machine.
Although the
> ones in the trailer had a rough ride in the trailer over these
terrible
> roads.  Talk about our infrastructure crumbling!
>
> Highlight of day four was a visit to the ARRL headquarters in
Newington.
> If you have never been you need to be sure to add it to your bucket
list.
> It is well worth the trip.  The guided tour was great as are the
tour
> guides.  Volunteer Hams by the way.  And the W1AW shack was like you
had
> died and gone to heaven!  Decided not to operate as W1AW as I knew I
> wouldn't want to quit.  And besides as my guide George said, once
you throw
> out a CQ as W1AW you'll have a big pileup.  Had to get moving on
down the
> road and get that blown out trailer tire replaced so just visited
Hiram's
> shack and drooled!
>
> Spent the night in Scranton, PA.  Should make the Cleveland area
with ease
> to pick up a couple of machines going to Dr. House.  Should see you
> tomorrow Don.
>
> Steve G./N4SEG
> NNNN
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rokumon Cat <rokumoncat at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] M28 tape printer
> To: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
>
<1311081009.87672.YahooMailClassic at web120912.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi,
> ?
> I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find an image of an
M28
> keyboard-tape printer. I understand that this unit prints on a paper
tape
> like the old telegram printers, and I am assuming that it uses
gummed paper
> tape. ?
> Thank you much!
> ?
> Joe Herdler
> ?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:38:01 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] 28 KSR Keyboard Re-assembly
> To: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Cc: Greenkeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1107190837220.2264 at Frances>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Keelan Lightfoot wrote:
>> In a moment of brilliance, I removed the bakelite top on the
keyboard on
>> my 28 KSR so that I could remove and clean the keys. After doing
that, I
>> realized that unless I grew a few more arms and fingers, it would
not go
>> back together the way it came apart.
>>
>> Is there a knack to doing this?
>
> I've done it just by pulling all the key levers off - they just
unsnap -
> then put the top cover back on and insert the key levers back in one
by
> one.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:40:15 -0400
> From: "W2HX" <w2hx at w2hx.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hughes Printing Telegraph
> To: "'Sam Hallas'" <s.hallas at ntlworld.com>,	"Green Keys"
> 	<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <001301cc4621$c9f16f90$5dd44eb0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Sam, et. Al.
>
> Sorry about the pdf. I found it on my hard drive and never
remembered from
> whence it came.  I must have gotten it from your website eons ago
and
> downloaded it.
>
> Now that you've shown me the photo from Fons' website, I am nearly
certain
> it was his. I will have to reach out to him and chat. It is QUITE an
> amazing bit of gear and that it is so totally intact is amazing!
>
> 73 Eugene W2HX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sam Hallas
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:50 AM
> To: Green Keys
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Hughes Printing Telegraph
>
> W2HX wrote:
>> Oops. A url got cut off..
>
>
<http://www.w2hx.com/x/Hughes%20Printing%20Telegraph/b5_hughes_printin
g_tel
> e raph.pdf>
>
> Eugene,
> I was wondering why you didn't link to the source on my web site;
>
<http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/telegraph/b5_hughes_printing_te
legra
> p h.pdf>
>
> Did we ever determine whether this unit was from Fons vanden
Berghen's
> colection? He was enigmatic when I emailed him with the question.
For
> instance:
> <http://www.telegraphsofeurope.net/page141.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
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